Nap Time 'Poopers'

[Crystal]

I want all my children to have long, restful naps too but not at the expense of a child having to sleep with feces on them or other children having to sleep (or rest) within nose range of the smell.

I just don't understand how it's even an option to leave a human being lying in their own waste. As a Mom if I checked on one of my kids and I smelled poop I would change them right away, day or night. My daycare children are no different.

Same here. I really don't WANT to wake a child, but I'd rather wake them than leave them in their own waste.

Good grief, I never thought it would ever be a debate about whether it is better to change a diaper of let them sleep. :confused:

And, I am wondering why no one has answered my earlier post asking how one would feel if it was their OWN CHILD left to lay in feces for two hours for the sake of good sleep.

[Familycare71]

Same here. I really don't WANT to wake a child, but I'd rather wake them than leave them in their own waste.

Good grief, I never thought it would ever be a debate about whether it is better to change a diaper of let them sleep. :confused:

And, I am wondering why no one has answered my earlier post asking how one would feel if it was their OWN CHILD left to lay in feces for two hours for the sake of good sleep.

I didn't answer because I really don't feel like engaging you is productive. However- yes - I did not change my own children during nap. No longer an issue as they are older.

[CedarCreek]

Fun thread.

Depends for me. If I know one of them had pooped,I change them. If I don't know until after nap, they don't get changed until after nap. I don't check diapers all through nap time.

I've actually very seldom had this issue anyway.

[Familycare71]

Fun thread.

Depends for me. If I know one of them had pooped,I change them. If I don't know until after nap, they don't get changed until after nap. I don't check diapers all through nap time.

I've actually very seldom had this issue anyway.

Wishing I kept my big 'ol mouth shut!!::

[Brooksie]

BC -I do agree that it is as simple as asking the parents what they value more. I was planning on doing that this morning and check on how the rest of dcbs evening was, but he is out today getting his vaccines. If the parent wants their child changed immediately then you change that child. If they want a well rested child you need to do your best to ensure they get that sleep. Every child and circumstance is different. Same thing with a nursing home. I know dang well if I walked in to my Grandmothers room during her nap to check her diaper she would kick me out. And I spend a lot of time helping to care for her. She values her sleep over 40 minutes in a soiled diaper. Heck, half the time she can't even tell she's sitting in one and when addressed she tells you where you can shove it

[tenderhearts]

How long after he falls asleep is he pooping? I had a nap time pooper too and it seemed he was doing it about 30 min into nap, he would wake up, so I started trying to put him down a little later to see if he'd poop before I layed him down, it worked. He did this for a couple of weeks and for some reason he is no longer a nap time pooper.

[Blackcat31]

BC -I do agree that it is as simple as asking the parents what they value more. I was planning on doing that this morning and check on how the rest of dcbs evening was, but he is out today getting his vaccines. If the parent wants their child changed immediately then you change that child. If they want a well rested child you need to do your best to ensure they get that sleep. Every child and circumstance is different. Same thing with a nursing home. I know dang well if I walked in to my Grandmothers room during her nap to check her diaper she would kick me out. And I spend a lot of time helping to care for her. She values her sleep over 40 minutes in a soiled diaper. Heck, half the time she can't even tell she's sitting in one and when addressed she tells you where you can shove it

That seems to me like the easiest solution to this.

I follow the rules and regulations in my state first and foremost.

A parent cannot give me permission to against state regulations and laws so if my state regulations require me to change soiled diapers immediately then I must do so regardless of what the parent says.

However, if there are no state rules/regulations governing your facility, then the parent absolutely gets to make that call.

Then, and ONLY then, do you (general you as a provider) get to decide what is the best way to handle the situation.

If you disagree with the parents wishes, then don't enroll the child.

If you agree with the parent's wishes, great!

...a relationship with open communication and expectations that meet each other's needs.

[Brooksie]

That seems to me like the easiest solution to this.

I follow the rules and regulations in my state first and foremost.

A parent cannot give me permission to against state regulations and laws so if my state regulations require me to change soiled diapers immediately then I must do so regardless of what the parent says.

However, if there are no state rules/regulations governing your facility, then the parent absolutely gets to make that call.

Then, and ONLY then, do you (general you as a provider) get to decide what is the best way to handle the situation.

If you disagree with the parents wishes, then don't enroll the child.

If you agree with the parent's wishes, great!

...a relationship with open communication and expectations that meet each other's needs.

[Brooksie]

How long after he falls asleep is he pooping? I had a nap time pooper too and it seemed he was doing it about 30 min into nap, he would wake up, so I started trying to put him down a little later to see if he'd poop before I layed him down, it worked. He did this for a couple of weeks and for some reason he is no longer a nap time pooper.

This dcb that pooped isn't usually a nap time pooper. He generally poops before lunch but was dropped off late and therefore his schedule was pushed back. I noticed he poop maybe 5-6 minutes after he fell asleep, which tells me he pooped right before he passed out. I was flushing a G/J tube and administering meds to my special needs girl when he was falling asleep (was in plain sight not 6 ft from me) and he never fussed or made any inclination that he pooped until I went to move him and his pants which had just been chanced felt full. There wasn't even a distinct smell. At that point I changed him and he never fell back to sleep.

My normal nap time pooper generally poops during the falling asleep process but will alarm you that he has pooped (the smell is hard to miss too ). I always change him and then he will fall asleep 2-3 minutes after that. Like pooping is what he was waiting for. Even after he had just pooped before nap he will stir towards the end of nap and before I can even get up from my chair to check on him he falls back to sleep for another 20 minutes or so. This is his usual routine. I let him sleep and change him immediately after waking up. He's never gotten a rash and his mom knows this happens because it happens to her too. Every time he wakes up poopy we discuss it and she laughs because its so regular for him. But seriously, if you wake this boy up its like you've awoken a daemon. (this is my extreme crier) and he is MISERABLE for the rest of the afternoon. Whether he was woken up 5 minutes early or 40 minutes early, you would get the impression that you had tried to murder him. This childs mom wants me to let him sleep. And like I said, generally its only for another 10-15 minutes any way. Lord knows he NEEDS that time.

Again this goes to show that every child's' needs are different. Every parents values are different. Every licensing branch has different regulations. And every provider is entitled to their own opinion.

[nannyde]

That seems to me like the easiest solution to this.

I follow the rules and regulations in my state first and foremost.

A parent cannot give me permission to against state regulations and laws so if my state regulations require me to change soiled diapers immediately then I must do so regardless of what the parent says.

However, if there are no state rules/regulations governing your facility, then the parent absolutely gets to make that call.

Then, and ONLY then, do you (general you as a provider) get to decide what is the best way to handle the situation.

If you disagree with the parents wishes, then don't enroll the child.

If you agree with the parent's wishes, great!

...a relationship with open communication and expectations that meet each other's needs.

Oh State Regs...

Glad you brought them up...

Well let's see. How about

New York

417.11 (o) Infants must be kept clean and
comfortable at all times. Diapers must be
changed when wet or soiled.

417.8 (a)(1) The caregiver must
be awake at all times and physically
check sleeping children every 15 minutes

Maryland.

D. To assist in preventing the spread of disease, the provider shall:
(1) Promptly change a child's diaper, clothing, and bedding when soiled or wet;
(2) Follow diapering procedures designed to prevent the transmission of disease, which are established and supplied by the Office; and
(3) Maintain the surface used for diapering in a clean and sanitary manner.

Oklahma.

Center rules:
Section 25. Care of infants, toddlers, and two-year-olds

(6) Diapers are checked hourly and whenever the child indicates discomfort or
exhibits behavior that suggests a soiled or wet diaper.
(7) Diapers are changed promptly when wet or soiled.


family care rules
Section 93. Infants, toddlers, and two-year-olds
(d) Diaper-changing. Diapers are changed promptly when wet or soiled.
(1) A clean nonporous surface or pad is used for diaper changes and
sanitized after each use. Care is taken to prevent spread of germs

I honestly can't believe we are having to discuss this. It's a first for me and I've been on boards for 15 years.

Come on ladies... THINK
THINK about leaving any human being lying in poopy pants.

[Laurel]

Same here. I really don't WANT to wake a child, but I'd rather wake them than leave them in their own waste.

Good grief, I never thought it would ever be a debate about whether it is better to change a diaper of let them sleep. :confused:

And, I am wondering why no one has answered my earlier post asking how one would feel if it was their OWN CHILD left to lay in feces for two hours for the sake of good sleep.

I did the same with my children. An hour with a little poop doesn't hurt. My grandchildren either are or were in my daycare. I let them sleep if they poop after falling asleep too. I wasn't doing daycare when my own were in diapers. I was a stay at home mom. I did the same. It never even occurred to me to do otherwise really unless, as I said earlier, it was leaking or something. My own children are adults now and are not emotionally scared from this.

Laurel

[Blackcat31]

Oh State Regs...

Glad you brought them up...

Well let's see. How about

New York

417.11 (o) Infants must be kept clean and
comfortable at all times. Diapers must be
changed when wet or soiled.

417.8 (a)(1) The caregiver must
be awake at all times and physically
check sleeping children every 15 minutes

Maryland.

D. To assist in preventing the spread of disease, the provider shall:
(1) Promptly change a child's diaper, clothing, and bedding when soiled or wet;
(2) Follow diapering procedures designed to prevent the transmission of disease, which are established and supplied by the Office; and
(3) Maintain the surface used for diapering in a clean and sanitary manner.

Oklahma.

Center rules:
Section 25. Care of infants, toddlers, and two-year-olds

(6) Diapers are checked hourly and whenever the child indicates discomfort or
exhibits behavior that suggests a soiled or wet diaper.
(7) Diapers are changed promptly when wet or soiled.


family care rules
Section 93. Infants, toddlers, and two-year-olds
(d) Diaper-changing. Diapers are changed promptly when wet or soiled.
(1) A clean nonporous surface or pad is used for diaper changes and
sanitized after each use. Care is taken to prevent spread of germs

I honestly can't believe we are having to discuss this. It's a first for me and I've been on boards for 15 years.

Come on ladies... THINK
THINK about leaving any human being lying in poopy pants.

Beside my personal opinion, THAT ^^^^ is exactly what I was saying....state rules and regulations usually dictate to provider proper procedures for this kind of situation.

Rules and regulations are always in the BEST interest of the child and NOT the provider and/or the parent.

So even if a parent "doesn't mind" their child finishing up nap time BEFORE getting a soiled diaper changed, it does NOT matter because you are governed by state rules/regs. that say you MUST immediately change soiled diapers.

[nannyde]

Beside my personal opinion, THAT ^^^^ is exactly what I was saying....state rules and regulations usually dictate to provider proper procedures for this kind of situation.

Rules and regulations are always in the BEST interest of the child and NOT the provider and/or the parent.

So even if a parent "doesn't mind" their child finishing up nap time BEFORE getting a soiled diaper changed, it does NOT matter because you are governed by state rules/regs. that say you MUST immediately change soiled diapers.

I don't even want the parents opinion on this. Who cares what they think? It's not a parenting decision so I wouldn't even ask.

The kid is in my care. I don't want them to be dirty. My house. My equipment. My air quality. My rules.

Any parent that would want me to leave a kid in poopy diapers would NOT be a good fit.

[Cradle2crayons]

Same here. I really don't WANT to wake a child, but I'd rather wake them than leave them in their own waste.

Good grief, I never thought it would ever be a debate about whether it is better to change a diaper of let them sleep. :confused:

And, I am wondering why no one has answered my earlier post asking how one would feel if it was their OWN CHILD left to lay in feces for two hours for the sake of good sleep.

Ill answer this... As long as my child was out down for a nap dry, and wasn't prone to rash, I would NOT want my own child changed during nap time.

I didn't wake my own children to change and I don't wake my daycare children to change them either, unless its my special dcg because she is prone to rash because she has frequent liquid tube fed poops.

[Blackcat31]

I don't even want the parents opinion on this. Who cares what they think? It's not a parenting decision so I wouldn't even ask.

The kid is in my care. I don't want them to be dirty. My house. My equipment. My air quality. My rules.

Any parent that would want me to leave a kid in poopy diapers would NOT be a good fit.

I feel the same.

I wouldn't even consider enrolling a family that didn't care as I personally DO care and wouldn't leave my own (or daycare kids) in poo. ever.

The ONLY exception is if they poo'ed and I was NOT aware of it.... but in most facilities (family care or centers) you are required to physically check on the child every 15-20 minutes, so there is no way you wouldn't be aware of it.