Nap Time 'Poopers'

[Crystal]

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If I have a naptime pooper I just bring them out of the room to change and then put them back to bed. I must have well trained nappers because it's never been a problem.

For my babies, they sleep in their own rooms, so that's never an issue as far as waking anyone else.

Most of my kids are pretty regular, so it's easy to prevent anyway as long as they stay "on schedule" so to speak .

[Brooksie]

Wowwww... This is NOT what I expected to come of this simple post. While I agree on both stand points: me being someone who changes poopy diapers no matter what, but now I'm also seeing the effects of children being sleep deprived and interfering with the other children's day.. Its not so much an inconvenience for me. I have a special needs girl that never sleeps. She's up with me any way. But at 15 months I KNOW he needs that nap.

On top of that I'm now being thoroughly insulted by nanny.. To say if a child wakes another that I don't have enough room and shouldn't be a child care provider is blasphemous!! People care for children in all kinds of set ups. I have the highest quality and sought after FCC in my county. I have a very open floor plan that I picked SPECIFICALLY with caring for children in mind. No one is ever out of sight. I do NOT have a separate nap room and so what?! This is the house I LIVE in. I am great at my job. Everyone is very happy here and I have a HUGE wait list. But yes, rousing children from nap IS disruptive. That doesn't mean I shouldn't run a daycare. Get off your high horse.

[Crystal]

Wowwww... This is NOT what I expected to come of this simple post. While I agree on both stand points: me being someone who changes poopy diapers no matter what, but now I'm also seeing the effects of children being sleep deprived and interfering with the other children's day.. Its not so much an inconvenience for me. I have a special needs girl that never sleeps. She's up with me any way. But at 15 months I KNOW he needs that nap.

On top of that I'm now being thoroughly insulted by nanny.. To say if a child wakes another that I don't have enough room and shouldn't be a child care provider is blasphemous!! People care for children in all kinds of set ups. I have the highest quality and sought after FCC in my county. I have a very open floor plan that I picked SPECIFICALLY with caring for children in mind. No one is ever out of sight. I do NOT have a separate nap room and so what?! This is the house I LIVE in. I am great at my job. Everyone is very happy here and I have a HUGE wait list. But yes, rousing children from nap IS disruptive. That doesn't mean I shouldn't run a daycare. Get off your high horse.

I don't think she was talking about you. You said you did change him and you never indicated that he woke the other children. I think she was referring to others.

FWIW....I TOTALLY get your frustration and why you wouldn't WANT to change him. But you did change him.....you did the right thing for the child, even if it does drive you crazy cuz he's a cranky baby without his sleep.

[blandino]

On top of that I'm now being thoroughly insulted by nanny.. To say if a child wakes another that I don't have enough room and shouldn't be a child care provider is blasphemous!! People care for children in all kinds of set ups. I have the highest quality and sought after FCC in my county. I have a very open floor plan that I picked SPECIFICALLY with caring for children in mind. No one is ever out of sight. I do NOT have a separate nap room and so what?! This is the house I LIVE in. I am great at my job. Everyone is very happy here and I have a HUGE wait list. But yes, rousing children from nap IS disruptive. That doesn't mean I shouldn't run a daycare. Get off your high horse.

Bingo.

Everyone has to make some sacrifices due to the amount of space they have. I would love to have a home with 12 bedrooms for each one of my kids to sleep individually, but that just isn't feasible. All babies in pack and plays sleep in one room, and all big kids on mats sleep in another. I don't think that makes for a substandard daycare set-up.

[Familycare71]

Wowwww... This is NOT what I expected to come of this simple post. While I agree on both stand points: me being someone who changes poopy diapers no matter what, but now I'm also seeing the effects of children being sleep deprived and interfering with the other children's day.. Its not so much an inconvenience for me. I have a special needs girl that never sleeps. She's up with me any way. But at 15 months I KNOW he needs that nap.

On top of that I'm now being thoroughly insulted by nanny.. To say if a child wakes another that I don't have enough room and shouldn't be a child care provider is blasphemous!! People care for children in all kinds of set ups. I have the highest quality and sought after FCC in my county. I have a very open floor plan that I picked SPECIFICALLY with caring for children in mind. No one is ever out of sight. I do NOT have a separate nap room and so what?! This is the house I LIVE in. I am great at my job. Everyone is very happy here and I have a HUGE wait list. But yes, rousing children from nap IS disruptive. That doesn't mean I shouldn't run a daycare. Get off your high horse.

[Familycare71]

I suppose it could happen, but it isn't likely. It is far more likely that the child pooped before falling asleep, or woke up briefly and pooped, then fell back to sleep. An observant provider would see that. What isn't "serious" about that?

Ya know, you are the one who said "flame away" when you posted above, so don't get upset when you get "flamed".

No worries Crystal... You have def taught me my lesson and I will not sarcastically or otherwise use that word again- didnt know it would cause open season...

[nannyde]

Wowwww... This is NOT what I expected to come of this simple post. While I agree on both stand points: me being someone who changes poopy diapers no matter what, but now I'm also seeing the effects of children being sleep deprived and interfering with the other children's day.. Its not so much an inconvenience for me. I have a special needs girl that never sleeps. She's up with me any way. But at 15 months I KNOW he needs that nap.

On top of that I'm now being thoroughly insulted by nanny.. To say if a child wakes another that I don't have enough room and shouldn't be a child care provider is blasphemous!! People care for children in all kinds of set ups. I have the highest quality and sought after FCC in my county. I have a very open floor plan that I picked SPECIFICALLY with caring for children in mind. No one is ever out of sight. I do NOT have a separate nap room and so what?! This is the house I LIVE in. I am great at my job. Everyone is very happy here and I have a HUGE wait list. But yes, rousing children from nap IS disruptive. That doesn't mean I shouldn't run a daycare. Get off your high horse.

I'm not insulting you. I'm saying if the proximity of crying children is waking sleeping children then you need space to seperate them. Don't take on kids if you don't have the space to insure good quality care at ALL times.

[Brooksie]

I'm not insulting you. I'm saying if the proximity of crying children is waking sleeping children then you need space to seperate them. Don't take on kids if you don't have the space to insure good quality care at ALL times.

I do provide quality care. Saying a child waking up another means I'm not providing quality care and shouldn't care for kids is ridiculous. That's like saying if you, as a parent, have more than one kid and the other kid wakes up that baby during nap then YOU DONT HAVE A BIG ENOUGH HOUSE TO HAVE CHILDREN. SHAME ON YOU. That's insanity. And it is insulting. Some times things happen. Doesn't mean I shouldn't care for children.

And for the record, in order to provide quality care to my kids I purposefully don't max out. I have a wait list and I still have 2 spots open. MY choice. I keep a small group to better provide individualized attention and quality care. But I still show concern for kids affected by one not napping and being disruptive.

[nannyde]

I do provide quality care. Saying a child waking up another means I'm not providing quality care and shouldn't care for kids is ridiculous. That's like saying if you, as a parent, have more than one kid and the other kid wakes up that baby during nap then YOU DONT HAVE A BIG ENOUGH HOUSE TO HAVE CHILDREN. SHAME ON YOU. That's insanity. And it is insulting. Some times things happen. Doesn't mean I shouldn't care for children.

And for the record, in order to provide quality care to my kids I purposefully don't max out. I have a wait list and I still have 2 spots open. MY choice. I keep a small group to better provide individualized attention and quality care. But I still show concern for kids affected by one not napping and being disruptive.

If a provider is knowingly leaving a child in a poopy diaper because waking the child to change would cause enough noise that children in close proximity would awaken and cry and stay awake then the provider doesn't have enough room.

If a provider changes a child who is poopy and awakens the children in close proximity who may cry themselves and stay awake then space is not an issue.

It's the ones who refuse to change in fear of the consequences of waking adjacent or nearby who is operating too many kids for the space she has available. This IS very much a space issue. Space isnt the ONLY issue but it is a big part of why the provider would knowinly leave poop on a child for the duration of nap.

[Angelsj]

As a parent, if I learned that my provider did not change my child's poopy diaper because she did not want to lose her sacred naptime break, I would pull immediately and report it to licensing.

Imagine YOUR child being left in a crappy diaper and getting a rash because the provider was to lazy to do what is in the best interest of the child's health.

It has nothing to do with laziness or losing any type of break. I do NOT insist on napping children, nor do I nap them all at the same time. I NEVER have a nap break.

It has to do with a child getting good sleep. For the record, it also does not necessarily mean a health hazard. They are clean and dry just before they sleep, and again two hours later just after they awaken. If they happen to poop while sleeping, and do not awaken, why would I interrupt a good sleep?

I have NEVER had a child get a rash doing this, nor have I ever had any get UTIs. 30 plus years and over 100 children in care, and it just doesn't happen.
Of course, I also get kids up immediately upon awakening, so they do not sit in poop.

[lflick]

I know this post will get lost in the shuffle of opinions... BUT.... I would like to share my point of view..... both as a new member to the forum and a new daycare provider (in comparison to most of you).

1. I have kiddos, all ages, and I am lucky if they are all asleep at the same time. Generally speaking most under 1 year run the roost per say as they sleep whenever they darn well fell like it. I often times have a cranky infant during naptime for the other littles and it doesn't rouse them.... MOST times..... occasionally a light sleeper will begin to cry but are back asleep in a matter of moments..... there have been nightmare days where naptime was such a fiasco it was honestly not worth even trying to continue.

2. I have a very small house (4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, kitchen/dining, living room, and the playroom.... the playroom was supposed to be our dining area however I really enjoy having a space for my own kids to play on rainy/cold days... other than in the living room/kitchen/bedrooms.

3. My DCGs are notorious for pooping during nap time.... every time they have alerted me via crying or some sort of disturbance.... they are always changed promptly and lain back down for the duration of rest time, sleeping or not.

4. I see where feathers are ruffled within this post and I can empathize with both sides.... I believe the most difficult part of a forum is text... you cannot always see the context or perhaps fully grasp what another is trying to convey. That being said, I think each is entitled to run their daycare in the manner they see fit so long as the childs needs are top priority.

[Angelsj]

If thwy can't sleep thru a diaper change or get themselves back to sleep after they have awakened then YES you don't have enough space.

I find this statement ridiculous. It is quite common for me to have only one sleeping baby at a time. Right now I have a two year old that is often the only napper, naps quite well for two hours almost on the dot, and often wakes up stinky. There is no way he could either "sleep through a diaper change, or put himself back to sleep." He just is not that kind of kid.

So my 3000 sq foot house is not big enough for this one little guy??? Seriously?
And just for the record, he has been here since he was 5 months old and has NEVER had a rash of any kind, nor any urinary issues.

[Brooksie]

I find this statement ridiculous. It is quite common for me to have only one sleeping baby at a time. Right now I have a two year old that is often the only napper, naps quite well for two hours almost on the dot, and often wakes up stinky. There is no way he could either "sleep through a diaper change, or put himself back to sleep." He just is not that kind of kid.

So my 3000 sq foot house is not big enough for this one little guy??? Seriously?
And just for the record, he has been here since he was 5 months old and has NEVER had a rash of any kind, nor any urinary issues.

Yea I agree. Every kid is different. Every group is different. I have a couple kids who are able to fall back to sleep easily if aroused, and others who can't. And that doesn't necessarily have to do with MY environment but their environment at home.

[mom2many]

I'm not insulting you. I'm saying if the proximity of crying children is waking sleeping children then you need space to seperate them. Don't take on kids if you don't have the space to insure good quality care at ALL times.

Your intent might not have been to be insulting; however, that is NOT how it came across. I have a 1600 sq ft home with two separate bedrooms specifically for napping and unless they were "sound proofed" (which they are not) a crying baby could and will wake up others in another part of my home.

Some children sleep lighter than others and to insinuate that this is too small a daycare facility and not enough space to insure good quality care at ALL times is a bit ludicrous and obnoxious!

Debating whether to change a poopy diaper on a sleeping child is one thing, but this was really an unnecessary comment!

[Brooksie]

Your intent might not have been to be insulting; however, that is NOT how it came across. I have a 1600 sq ft home with two separate bedrooms specifically for napping and unless they were "sound proofed" (which they are not) a crying baby could and will wake up others in another part of my home.

Some children sleep lighter than others and to insinuate that this is too small a daycare facility and not enough space to insure good quality care at ALL times is a bit ludicrous and obnoxious!

Debating whether to change a poopy diaper on a sleeping child is one thing, but this was really an unnecessary comment!