Nap Time 'Poopers'

[Brooksie]

I don't think anyone is saying that any one else is a horrible provider.

I think what others are trying to say is a child has a right to be clean. If we are aware of a soiled diaper it should be changed.

A child's right to a clean unsoiled diaper is more important that a child's need for sleep. If they are sooooooo tired and cranky due to being woke up for that diaper change, then they should easily fall back asleep since their crankiness demonstrates that bodily need for sleep.

If they don't fall back asleep, then their body obviously didn't require further sleep.

We all know that 99.9% of parents prefer their child skip naps anyways so anyone using the argument that the child NEEDS their sleep also knows the child will more than likely make up for that lack of sleep by going to bed earlier when they get home.

To me this debate isn't about what each provider thinks but what is really more important: rest or cleanliness?

A soiled diaper is something that needs to be addressed immediately. The needs of children should be taken care of in an order of importance based on what can and can't wait. IMPO, cleanliness can't wait.

I also think that there really shouldn't even be a debate about this as a majority of us have state rules/regs that govern our actions and changing a soiled diaper is something that is clearly outlined in most of those regs.

YOU may not BC, but others definitely took that stand point, with multiple offensive comments.

And honestly I don't have any parents who wants their child to skip nap. None. Haven't ever had one of those. Every one wants their child well rested.. but maybe I just happened to get all the good caring parents. ( Just a side note. )

[laundrymom]

I sleep them all in one room, and change when poopy. They learn how to fall asleep in the same room since newborn so no issue really. If someone did start older, they would adjust eventually. Just keep the routine the same. I would never knowingly leave a kid in a poopy. Asleep, awake, on a walk, or at the park. Every child gets changed immediatly.

[nannyde]

Now I see... I'm a horrible provider- I'm a horrible mom...
My children have pathogens they otherwise wouldn't normally have-
I shall wake children for poop- I shall wake children for poop- I shall wake children for poop!
My home isn't large enough to provide quality care.
I am breaking my state licensing rules.
Anything I missed?:confused:

If you are not changing the diaper when the child is soiled you are breaking your state regs.

[Willow]

If a kiddo gets on a schedule where they're pooping at nap I simply tweak breakfast....add in some steel cut oats, flax seed, pear juice or whatever and the problem resolves itself well before lunch time.

Seems like a no brainer to just eliminate the situation entirely to me and that's not a real difficult thing to do for the vast majority of kids.

[Blackcat31]

Please remember every state is different. What is required for your state may not necessarily be for all states.

My state:

We do not have to check on the children every so often. We must be within sight OR sound at all times. Once kiddos are sleeping I can easily leave the room for the two hours as long as I can still hear them.

Nothing about changing diapers what so ever. We just have: Infants must
not sleep on their back, Infants must not have bottles propped into their mouths while sleeping. That pretty much covers the infant department. Maybe a few other rules but really nothing much.

So please remember when you are quoting things, they aren't always for everyone else's states or country.

Some states may not dictate exact directions but almost ALL of the regulations I have ever read have some sort of state such as this:


(h) Immediate attention shall be given to the emotional and physical needs of the children


THAT is what I am referring to.

I ask EVERY single provider here to read their regulations today and see if they can find their state rules regarding this issue.

[Familycare71]

Right?! I regret starting this thread. I think its gone way past helpful curiosity and moved right into offensive and accusatory. I do change poopy diapers if I notice them but I'm still totally offended on how people have gone about posting responses. FC you're NOT horrible. And you DO have a right to be a child care provider.

Thank you- :hug:
I appreciate it!!! Just crazy how big it got! Ah well- moving on...

[Laurel]

Now I see... I'm a horrible provider- I'm a horrible mom...
My children have pathogens they otherwise wouldn't normally have-
I shall wake children for poop- I shall wake children for poop- I shall wake children for poop!
My home isn't large enough to provide quality care.
I am breaking my state licensing rules.
Anything I missed?:confused:

Yes, you missed liar in post #86. :: Last sentence of that post.

Laurel

[Familycare71]

Fc, this site is very useful and can be a great place to vent or find encouragement.

Its also a place where debates sometimes happen. On this issue,I wouldn't let others opinions hurt your feelings or make you question your quality of care.

Its just poop. (pun intended)

And i'm sure you're a great provider.

:: yes- this is def a poopy conversation!!
I don't take it personally because they don't know me... I am fairly new and learning

[Familycare71]

Yes, you missed liar in post #86. :: Last sentence of that post.

Laurel

I knew there must be something!!!:: I'm sure you noticed I'm very slow to catch on!!

[Familycare71]

If you are not changing the diaper when the child is soiled you are breaking your state regs.

Yup- covered that already...

[Brooksie]

:: yes- this is def a poopy conversation!!
I don't take it personally because they don't know me... I am fairly new and learning

I guess in their old and "experienced" ways they can forget to show a little compassion in educating. Every one gets started some where, but I guarantee that you'd learn a lot more and be able to grow as a provider a lot easier if you weren't attacked and berated for your honest post. Its responses on issues like this where people are going to stop voicing their opinions or reaching out for helpful advice and guidance (which is why this forum is here, is it not?) for the sheer fact that they don't want to be torn apart when they are looking for support.

[Crystal]

How about leaving the drama out of this? No one ever called anyone a bad provider. No one ever said anyone here was a bad Mom. That may be your perception, but no one ever said any of that. If that is your perception, you may be experiencing a guilty consious and perhaps you oughtta listen to it and change your practices.

But, Nan did quote your state regs and you are not following them, as you have seen. So, as I said before, as a parent, if my child were knowingly left in a poopy diaper for the sake of sleep, I would pull my child and report it to licensing.

[Crystal]

I guess in their old and "experienced" ways they can forget to show a little compassion in educating. Every one gets started some where, but I guarantee that you'd learn a lot more and be able to grow as a provider a lot easier if you weren't attacked and berated for your honest post. Its responses on issues like this where people are going to stop voicing their opinions or reaching out for helpful advice and guidance (which is why this forum is here, is it not?) for the sheer fact that they don't want to be torn apart when they are looking for support.

Brooksie....no one ever said anything you did was wrong. You DID change the child's diaper. Your OP was clearly a vent and simply sharing your frustration. I get that, really I do. My response (originally) was in reference to those who said they DO NOT change poopy diapers during nap.

And, from what I understand, Familycare71 has been doing this for years, she's not a newbie, she should know better.

[Brooksie]

How about leaving the drama out of this? No one ever called anyone a bad provider. No one ever said anyone here was a bad Mom. That may be your perception, but no one ever said any of that. If that is your perception, you may be experiencing a guilty consious and perhaps you oughtta listen to it and change your practices.

But, Nan did quote your state regs and you are not following them, as you have seen. So, as I said before, as a parent, if my child were knowingly left in a poopy diaper for the sake of sleep, I would pull my child and report it to licensing.

Way to leave the drama out of it Crystal ::::

[Familycare71]

I don't think anyone is saying that any one else is a horrible provider.

I think what others are trying to say is a child has a right to be clean. If we are aware of a soiled diaper it should be changed.

A child's right to a clean unsoiled diaper is more important that a child's need for sleep. If they are sooooooo tired and cranky due to being woke up for that diaper change, then they should easily fall back asleep since their crankiness demonstrates that bodily need for sleep.

If they don't fall back asleep, then their body obviously didn't require further sleep.

We all know that 99.9% of parents prefer their child skip naps anyways so anyone using the argument that the child NEEDS their sleep also knows the child will more than likely make up for that lack of sleep by going to bed earlier when they get home.

To me this debate isn't about what each provider thinks but what is really more important: rest or cleanliness?

A soiled diaper is something that needs to be addressed immediately. The needs of children should be taken care of in an order of importance based on what can and can't wait. IMPO, cleanliness can't wait.

I also think that there really shouldn't even be a debate about this as a majority of us have state rules/regs that govern our actions and changing a soiled diaper is something that is clearly outlined in most of those regs.

It was stated numerous times actually-
I appreciate that you kept your posts mature and to the point...
I can hear other view points that's why I'm on here-
I am open to learning...
I will not seriously engage another individual who makes accusations, and tell me I am not fit to give care- among other things- see my prior post.
IMHO it wasn't needed.