Nap Time 'Poopers'

[Unregistered]

How about leaving the drama out of this? No one ever called anyone a bad provider. No one ever said anyone here was a bad Mom. That may be your perception, but no one ever said any of that. If that is your perception, you may be experiencing a guilty consious and perhaps you oughtta listen to it and change your practices.

But, Nan did quote your state regs and you are not following them, as you have seen. So, as I said before, as a parent, if my child were knowingly left in a poopy diaper for the sake of sleep, I would pull my child and report it to licensing.

Yes, she did quote the state regs but maybe not necessarily for the type of childcare she does.

We have 4 or 5 sets of rules for childcare here. It depends on what type of childcare you provide to what set of rules apply to your childcare. All the rules are are different to for the types of childcare.

[Brooksie]

Brooksie....no one ever said anything you did was wrong. You DID change the child's diaper. Your OP was clearly a vent and simply sharing your frustration. I get that, really I do. My response (originally) was in reference to those who said they DO NOT change poopy diapers during nap.

And, from what I understand, Familycare71 has been doing this for years, she's not a newbie, she should know better.

Just because I'm not one to leave the child in a diaper I still took offense to the way it was approached towards the ones who honestly shared their practices. Whether we agree or not this forum is about education and support. And many of the responses were handled much more accusatory and offensive then as a way to guide or educate.

[Familycare71]

I guess in their old and "experienced" ways they can forget to show a little compassion in educating. Every one gets started some where, but I guarantee that you'd learn a lot more and be able to grow as a provider a lot easier if you weren't attacked and berated for your honest post. Its responses on issues like this where people are going to stop voicing their opinions or reaching out for helpful advice and guidance (which is why this forum is here, is it not?) for the sheer fact that they don't want to be torn apart when they are looking for support.

Exactly!!!! . That is why I am on here!! That is why I look everyday- because I have learned and some things I have changed-
I'm half expecting to get a visit by my Licenser over all this! Which does make me question why I would ever put anything I do out there again!

[Brooksie]

Exactly!!!! . That is why I am on here!! That is why I look everyday- because I have learned and some things I have changed-
I'm half expecting to get a visit by my Licenser over all this! Which does make me question why I would ever put anything I do out there again!

Same here! And I changed the diaper!!::

[nannyde]

I guess in their old and "experienced" ways they can forget to show a little compassion in educating. Every one gets started some where, but I guarantee that you'd learn a lot more and be able to grow as a provider a lot easier if you weren't attacked and berated for your honest post. Its responses on issues like this where people are going to stop voicing their opinions or reaching out for helpful advice and guidance (which is why this forum is here, is it not?) for the sheer fact that they don't want to be torn apart when they are looking for support.

I tried that. I tried just saying my opinion first on what I would do. How many ways are we to say it's WRONG and NEGLECTFUL to leave any human or animal sitting or laying or walking in waste?

Some of you guys will only accept that there ARE circumstances which make it ok. I'm saying that barring a life threatening situation like a fire there is NO good reason.

Period

I'm not obligated to come up with words that hedge that or minimize that to make a reader or poster on here feel better about doing the wrong thing. I don't need to consider someone's opinion that it is for the greater good.

What I do feel obligated to say is that this issue comes down to BASIC health and safety AND space. Learn BASIC health and safety and reevaluate your space with the kids you take in. If you don't know better then learn. If you have too many souls on board to easily provide basic safety and health then do the right thing and decrease your numbers so the ones you keep have enough space to be plucked out of bed mid nap, changed, and returned to bed without disturbing the others who can't get themselves to sleep once awakened.

[Blackcat31]

I'm half expecting to get a visit by my Licenser over all this! Which does make me question why I would ever put anything I do out there again!

Again, I am going to go back to the regulations..... if your licensor does visit, you should have NO issues with her visit if you are following the regulations of your state.

I am in Minnesota. My regulations state that I am required to address the physical needs of ALL children immediately upon awareness.

My personal opinion have NO bearing on this subject.

I don't care what anyone else thinks, about me, my program, my practices or my opinion.

I only care that I am following state regulations as I am required to do. The rest is just fluff.

[Familycare71]

I'm definitely understanding the reason why people come on as unregistered!

And yes Chrystal- I have been doing this for years - 14- I am NEW to this forum. I would say your no spring chick yourself and you should know better than to treat people like poop to make a point!
I was honest- I have never changed sleeping children. Instead of saying - hey what are your regs have you thought about this... Etc... You (and nan) made it personal, rude and dramatic! There was no call for that- quite simply it isn't nice.
And I find it interesting how on this thread your fine with venting but on another recent thread you went off a out someone doing just that.
I'm going to guess you perhaps are an angry person and for that I feel sad.
I will look through the valid info in this thread- and make a decision about what I want to do in the future- but you will have had no part in it and I certainly won't share what conclusion I come to!

[Familycare71]

Again, I am going to go back to the regulations..... if your licensor does visit, you should have NO issues with her visit if you are following the regulations of your state.

I am in Minnesota. My regulations state that I am required to address the physical needs of ALL children immediately upon awareness.

My personal opinion have NO bearing on this subject.

I don't care what anyone else thinks, about me, my program, my practices or my opinion.

I only care that I am following state regulations as I am required to do. The rest is just fluff.

I don't have a problem with it- it is just utterly ridiculous that this forum would be the cause! A place that is touted as a SUPPORT for daycare providers! And I don't have an issue with people disagreeing or saying why- but my goodness-
Maybe it is easier to just walk away. Because this is ridiculous !!

[daycarediva]

I'm NOT getting into the debate about whether to wake a sleeping child if they soil their diapers....as my opinion has no bearing on what each providers state rules and/or regs say but I 100% disagree with the above statement.

Your CNA friend might work in a highly recommended facility but any facility that believes that leaving a human being in soiled diapers is okay, is NOT a facility I would ever place my loved ones in.

My daughter is a RN specializing in geriatric care and is also pursing her nursing home director's credentials and one of the very first things they are taught is a human beings right to be clean.

ALL soiled diapers are changed IMMEDIATELY regardless of what activity or non-activity (sleeping) the patient is doing.

They would NEVER leave them in a soiled diaper.

I also understand everyone trying to prove their point but let's not start painting everyone with the same brush.

My suggestion is for providers to ask the parents....if the parent gives you written permission to leave their child in a soiled diaper so they can nap, then so be it. If your state rules/regs dictate to you when a child must be changed, then you also have your answer.

It is so simple....just ASK. Ask the parent which do they value more; the sleep their child gets/needs or their need to have a fresh clean diaper immediately after soiling.

There really is no need to argue with others about what they do. Do what YOUR state and clients require you to do.

My MIL's sister (edited to clarify) OWNS an assisted living community, and it has a nursing wing. They get bed sores and WICKED infections fast, they are also changed IMMEDIATELY. I have personally seen them remove them from the dining room, clean them up and bring them back out. I would be turning them in to the state ASAP if it were my loved one.

Here is my take on it-I would NEVER do/say something to a child that I would be afraid/ashamed to tell their parents. I couldn't imagine saying "Susie pooped during nap, but I waited until she woke up to change her!" and ANY of my dcp's saying "OK!"

[Crystal]

I'm definitely understanding the reason why people come on as unregistered!

And yes Chrystal- I have been doing this for years - 14- I am NEW to this forum. I would say your no spring chick yourself and you should know better than to treat people like poop to make a point! I didn't mistreat anyone. I stated my honest, professional opinion and what I KNOW to be appropriate care for children. This goes back to your post "flame away"....if you cannot handle the truth and don't want other opinions, don't ask for it.
I was honest- I have never changed sleeping children. Instead of saying - hey what are your regs have you thought about this... Etc... You (and nan) made it personal, rude and dramatic! There was no call for that- quite simply it isn't nice. I stated my professional opinion. I beleive it is neglectful to knowingly leave a child in a dirty diaper. That isn't personal, rude or dramatic. It is the truth.
And I find it interesting how on this thread your fine with venting but on another recent thread you went off a out someone doing just that. I am fine with venting when it isn't an unprofessional vent. The other thread that you are referring to was a provider calling a parent a POS. That is unprofessional. Saying you wish you didn't have to change a poop because it disturbs sleeping children is not unprofessional.
I'm going to guess you perhaps are an angry person and for that I feel sad. Not an angry person in the least. Very happy and living a rewarding, fulfilling life and enjoying a solid career. No need to feel sad for me.
I will look through the valid info in this thread- and make a decision about what I want to do in the future- but you will have had no part in it and I certainly won't share what conclusion I come to! It makes absolutley no difference to me if you listen to or learn from me at all. So long as you DO learn that it is not apporpriate to leave a child in a soiled diaper.....that's all that really matters.

At the end of the day, I just hope everyone understands that it is not okay to leave a child in a poopy diaper, no matter the reason for it. But, clearly, that isn't going to happen. Some people are set in their ways and will never change, so whatever.

[Blackcat31]

I don't have a problem with it- it is just utterly ridiculous that this forum would be the cause! A place that is touted as a SUPPORT for daycare providers! And I don't have an issue with people disagreeing or saying why- but my goodness-
Maybe it is easier to just walk away. Because this is ridiculous !!

I agree that this place is good for support but I disagree that support is the purpose....at least not for me.

I think the MAIN purpose of this forum is to learn. For providers to receive education and give education to others.

The support part is just the personal element we (as individuals) chose to either give or take from it. I don't think it is the main purpose though....

....or we wouldn't have a thread just for venting.

fwiw~ That is MY opinion....and I have yet to see anywhere in writing or an advertising statement that says this forum is for support.

I think we all do a pretty good job of supporting each other but I think that just comes naturally as providers and women.

[Familycare71]

I agree that this place is good for support but I disagree that support is the purpose....at least not for me.

I think the MAIN purpose of this forum is to learn. For providers to receive education and give education to others.

The support part is just the personal element we (as individuals) chose to either give or take from it. I don't think it is the main purpose though....

....or we wouldn't have a thread just for venting.

fwiw~ That is MY opinion....and I have yet to see anywhere in writing or an advertising statement that says this forum is for support.

I think we all do a pretty good job of supporting each other but I think that just comes naturally as providers and women.

Good to know

[Laurel]

I tried that. I tried just saying my opinion first on what I would do. How many ways are we to say it's WRONG and NEGLECTFUL to leave any human or animal sitting or laying or walking in waste?

Some of you guys will only accept that there ARE circumstances which make it ok. I'm saying that barring a life threatening situation like a fire there is NO good reason.

Period

I'm not obligated to come up with words that hedge that or minimize that to make a reader or poster on here feel better about doing the wrong thing. I don't need to consider someone's opinion that it is for the greater good.

What I do feel obligated to say is that this issue comes down to BASIC health and safety AND space. Learn BASIC health and safety and reevaluate your space with the kids you take in. If you don't know better then learn. If you have too many souls on board to easily provide basic safety and health then do the right thing and decrease your numbers so the ones you keep have enough space to be plucked out of bed mid nap, changed, and returned to bed without disturbing the others who can't get themselves to sleep once awakened.

I think you've covered all the ways to say it and some still don't agree with you. You can't convince or shame us into agreeing. I suppose if worse comes to worse you'll just have to let us feel the way we do. ::

I might agree with you on other issues though. I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one though. Fair enough?

Laurel

[Familycare71]

I think you've covered all the ways to say it and some still don't agree with you. You can't convince or shame us into agreeing. I suppose if worse comes to worse you'll just have to let us feel the way we do. ::

I might agree with you on other issues though. I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one though. Fair enough?

Laurel

[Laurel]

At the end of the day, I just hope everyone understands that it is not okay to leave a child in a poopy diaper, no matter the reason for it. But, clearly, that isn't going to happen. Some people are set in their ways and will never change, so whatever.

Obviously they don't understand it is not okay or this thread wouldn't have opposing viewpoints from your own.

We do understand your position though and you've stated it very clearly. Sometimes being heard is about as much as one can expect in these types of situations.

Laurel