Am I Morally Or Legally Obligated?

[SilverSabre25]

I was wondering how the narcotics you spoke of taking during two pregnancies and non stop breastfeeding affect infant growth in utero and breastmilk?

Nanny, with all due respect, this thread is over a year old. I don't really think this needed dredged up. If you have something personal to bring up with the OP, perhaps the OT section, or better yet, a PM, would be a more appropriate place to do it.

Your question, now that I think about it, is also completely off the topic of this thread.

[nannyde]

Nanny, with all due respect, this thread is over a year old. I don't really think this needed dredged up. If you have something personal to bring up with the OP, perhaps the OT section, or better yet, a PM, would be a more appropriate place to do it.

Your question, now that I think about it, is also completely off the topic of this thread.

Nah. The pitbull thread is over two years old and the op recently posted to that. Old threads...

I'm curious about the natural aspect of breastmilk and how that works when one is on daily medication like opiates.

I intended on crossposting it over to one of the breastfeeding threads but I don't know how to do that. Feel free to move it over.

[youretooloud]

Why is the word "Vic*d!n" blocked? Before I realized it was an old thread, I posted the name Vic*d!n, and it came up as *******. I have the urge to waste an hour figuring out which words are blocked here.

[Starburst]

This exactly. I'm afraid it may deter some people but you would be upfront from the very beginning.

I have to admit that drugs of any kind scare me when it comes to caring for children. I found out a very good friend of mine who had watched my son one time was on heavy duty medication for anxiety, depression and OCD. I just thought she wasn't the brightest person in the world but she has a heart of gold.

Once I found out though, I never asked her to babysit again. We are still very good, close friends but I would never tell her that I was afraid to leave her with my boy.

When her meds are right, she's great but when they are off, she's off... her rocker.

I think some people will not take on your services. Others will see what a wonderful Mom you are and welcome you with open arms.

Thats what I am afraid of- that parents will ask me if I have had any emotional/mental health issues and won't enroll their kids and word would get out and I will be out of business. I was diagnosed with depression when I was a teen because of being bullied since I was little, BUT I was NEVER a threat to anyone. I was on anti-depressants and in therapy for about a year but my meds actually made me worse once because it made me like a zombie (sluggish, unmotivated, hard to remember things) then another medication I took years after ONLY because the doctor during a regular check up saw on my chart I had depression (I was actually really happy that day because I was starting a new job) made me have really bad anxiety which I still have even though I was only on that medication for 3 days because some medications can change the whole chemestry of your brain- perminantly. For that reason (having been on the brink of both extreames), I choose NOT to be on meds but I find that regular exercise, staying busy, and having goals helps me alot more. I have always had some type of OCD tendancies but never that bad until that medication. But just because someone has depression or anxiety doesn't mean that they are a danger to others. In fact most of my OCD/anxiety thoughts about daycare have to do with if their was a fire, an intruder, or another emergancy and the children were in danger (espesually after the whole Sandy Hook thing)- but I think that is normal with most people who work in this job and its good to keep in mind because that way your semi-prepared for what you would do.

[mamac]

Why is the word "Vic*d!n" blocked? Before I realized it was an old thread, I posted the name Vic*d!n, and it came up as *******. I have the urge to waste an hour figuring out which words are blocked here.

Shall we start a new thread? I'm in! ::

[blandino]

I was wondering how the narcotics you spoke of taking during two pregnancies and non stop breastfeeding affect infant growth in utero and breastmilk?

http://breastfeeding.yoexpert.com/breastfeeding-101/can-you-take-a-pain-reliever-while-breastfeeding-20570.html

I, myself, was also curious. Clearly I have no idea about the specifics of OP's medications. This is just a general outline, and there is a section on "narcotic pain relievers". It says to avoid them when BF. However, I don't think a general blanket statement can cover all narcotics, so perhaps some are okay to take while BF. OP is clearly very knowledgeable about BF, so I would believe that she wouldn't be BF if there was any danger of the substances being passed on through breast milk. I would be interested to hear her thoughts & knowledge on the subject.

[Patches]

Why is the word "Vic*d!n" blocked? Before I realized it was an old thread, I posted the name Vic*d!n, and it came up as *******. I have the urge to waste an hour figuring out which words are blocked here.

I did the same thing with my phone when I figured out that the talk to text censored certain words ::::

[mamac]

http://breastfeeding.yoexpert.com/br...ing-20570.html

I, myself, was also curious. Clearly I have no idea about the specifics of OP's medications. This is just a general outline, and there is a section on "narcotic pain relievers". It says to avoid them when BF. However, I don't think a general blanket statement can cover all narcotics, so perhaps some are okay to take while BF. OP is clearly very knowledgeable about BF, so I would believe that she wouldn't be BF if there was any danger of the substances being passed on through breast milk. I would be interested to hear her thoughts & knowledge on the subject.

I was curious, too, because I was on Percocet while pregnant with my first and I know that my doctors approved it because it wasn't taking it regularly. They actually told me it was better to take a narcotic to relieve pain than to take higher doses of OTC meds that would equal the strength of a narcotic. I was off the medication early in my pregnancy so it never became an issue for breastfeeding.

I did find a pretty good site that gives the milk/blood ratio of many drugs that can be used during pregnancy and which ones should be avoided.

http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/puarticles/lactation.htm

Edit: Funny how Vicodin is censored while Percocet isn't.

[blandino]

I was curious, too, because I was on Percocet while pregnant with my first and I know that my doctors approved it because it wasn't taking it regularly. They actually told me it was better to take a narcotic to relieve pain than to take higher doses of OTC meds that would equal the strength of a narcotic. I was off the medication early in my pregnancy so it never became an issue for breastfeeding.

I did find a pretty good site that gives the milk/blood ratio of many drugs that can be used during pregnancy and which ones should be avoided.

http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/puarticles/lactation.htm

Edit: Funny how Vicod*n is censored while Percocet isn't.

Actually, after I posted I was reading more and apparently Percocet is the best/least likely narcotic to affect a fetus/breastmilk. So it is the most widely accepted option.

[Live and Learn]

Nanny:
Frog seems like an educated mom who has been under close doctor supervision for years. This thread is old and to me it feels like you are dredging up old thread to make her, a nursing mom look bad. Please just let it go.

[Michael]

Why is the word "Vic*d!n" blocked? Before I realized it was an old thread, I posted the name Vic*d!n, and it came up as *******. I have the urge to waste an hour figuring out which words are blocked here.

It was added because we use to get a lot of spam related to it. I've pretty much eliminated most spam so I can remove a lot of words that are currently censored.

[frgsonmysox]

I appreciate all the support you guys

Nanny - I know why you pulled up this thread. Sorry, dear, nothing you say will scare me off. I've been a hard core debater for years, I'm extremely well educated, and I don't talk about **** without knowing what I'm talking about.

I am studying to BECOME an IBCLC (the equivalent of a doctor in the breastfeeding world). Do you really think I have no idea what meds I'm on and how they interact with my breastfeeding?

Also, I'm one of the leading "experts" in my area on EDS. I help to teach others about it. Again, I'm not stupid.

I'm monitored by a TEAM of doctors - an ob/gyn, an MFM, a pain doctor (who has been practicing for over 50 years), a Rhuematologist, a geneticist who is one of the leading EDS geneticists, I'm in contact with THE doctor on EDS - Bradly Tinkle. Seriously, look him up. He literally wrote the book on my condition. As well as a cardiologist, and my PCM.

I'm not going to disclose what meds I'm on. Not because I'm afraid to, but because of its none of your damn business. I've been on pain meds, every day, for nearly 5 years. I will be on pain medication for the rest of my life.

I have a child who is a certified genius. IQ tested in the 99%, he is extremely gifted intellectually. My daughter is right on par with her classmates in everything. My third son is quite advanced this year in Pre-k. Hes the youngest in his class by nearly 6 months, and one of the most advanced.

My two babies who have received pain meds via me.

- my 3 year old is delayed, slightly. Been in therapy since he was 6 months old, but thats because he HAS EDS, not because of pain meds. Mentally he is above average, physically he WAS behind but is now caught up to his peers. The only thing he is behind on now is speech.

- my youngest, who has received much stronger, harsher, and larger doses of pain medication since conception is above average in all areas except personal/social as at 13 months he doesn't dress himself. Otherwise he's fine.

So, nope, no crack babies or anything in my home.

Size wise? My husband is 5'3, I'm 5'4. We have extremely short and petite kids. But we are supposed to.

What else you got for me?

[nannyde]

I appreciate all the support you guys

Nanny - I know why you pulled up this thread. Sorry, dear, nothing you say will scare me off. I've been a hard core debater for years, I'm extremely well educated, and I don't talk about **** without knowing what I'm talking about.

I am studying to BECOME an IBCLC (the equivalent of a doctor in the breastfeeding world). Do you really think I have no idea what meds I'm on and how they interact with my breastfeeding?

Also, I'm one of the leading "experts" in my area on EDS. I help to teach others about it. Again, I'm not stupid.

I'm monitored by a TEAM of doctors - an ob/gyn, an MFM, a pain doctor (who has been practicing for over 50 years), a Rhuematologist, a geneticist who is one of the leading EDS geneticists, I'm in contact with THE doctor on EDS - Bradly Tinkle. Seriously, look him up. He literally wrote the book on my condition. As well as a cardiologist, and my PCM.

I'm not going to disclose what meds I'm on. Not because I'm afraid to, but because of its none of your damn business. I've been on pain meds, every day, for nearly 5 years. I will be on pain medication for the rest of my life.

I have a child who is a certified genius. IQ tested in the 99%, he is extremely gifted intellectually. My daughter is right on par with her classmates in everything. My third son is quite advanced this year in Pre-k. Hes the youngest in his class by nearly 6 months, and one of the most advanced.

My two babies who have received pain meds via me.

- my 3 year old is delayed, slightly. Been in therapy since he was 6 months old, but thats because he HAS EDS, not because of pain meds. Mentally he is above average, physically he WAS behind but is now caught up to his peers. The only thing he is behind on now is speech.

- my youngest, who has received much stronger, harsher, and larger doses of pain medication since conception is above average in all areas except personal/social as at 13 months he doesn't dress himself. Otherwise he's fine.

So, nope, no crack babies or anything in my home.

Size wise? My husband is 5'3, I'm 5'4. We have extremely short and petite kids. But we are supposed to.

What else you got for me?

Okay I will ask again:
How do the powerful narcotics you spoke of taking during two pregnancies affect babies in utero and does it pass through breastmilk?

I don't need to know what you are taking. If it treats horrible pain as you said and its significant enough to make you question whether you should disclose to parents and the State in prelicensing physical exams then im safe to assume it is a controlled substance for a reason...

How does taking this medication affect your decision to do breastfeeding and even more significantly extended breastfeeding beyond the first year when an average or above average child like yours could consume significant nutrition via healthy foods such as organic whole foods without narcotics.

With your consistent emphasis on NATURAL im wondering how this would fit into your scheme. It just doesn't make sense. Why would you be willing to assume even a moderate risk when the option for your one and three year old could be no risk at all?

[just_peachy]

Okay I will ask again:
How do the powerful narcotics you spoke of taking during two pregnancies affect babies in utero and does it pass through breastmilk?

I don't need to know what you are taking. If it treats horrible pain as you said and its significant enough to make you question whether you should disclose to parents and the State in prelicensing physical exams then im safe to assume it is a controlled substance for a reason...

How does taking this medication affect your decision to do breastfeeding and even more significantly extended breastfeeding beyond the first year when an average or above average child like yours could consume significant nutrition via healthy foods such as organic whole foods without narcotics.

With your consistent emphasis on NATURAL im wondering how this would fit into your scheme. It just doesn't make sense. Why would you be willing to assume even a moderate risk when the option for your one and three year old could be no risk at all?

...unbelievable. This is a personal attack thinly disguised as "curiosity" or "concern." I can't believe this is allowed to go on.

[nannyde]

...unbelievable. This is a personal attack thinly disguised as "curiosity" or "concern." I can't believe this is allowed to go on.

I'm trying to get to the heart of "it's about my baby and my babies right to nutrition"

I don't believe public breastfeeding with full breast exposure is about a babies nutrition.

I don't believe that exposing both breasts over the shirt during an interview while feeding a one year old and nearly three year old in front of total stranger day care parents is about nutrition.

I don't believe the photo of the woman tied to a tree branch hanging upside down with a baby at her breast was about nutrition.

I don't believe the Time magazine pic of the one month shy of four years of age kid standing on a stool to breast feed is about nutrition.

I KNOW my sons WAY too close encounter with a 40 year old womans breast at the Thanksgiving dinner table wasn't about a toddlers nutrition.

Here we have a concrete example where the nutrition of the breast milk is being questioned ESPECIALLY with children who are perfectly capable of eating a balanced healthy diet.

I'm asking... how is this about nutrition? How is about being natural?

I believe a lot of these issues are really truly about the MOTHER and what the MOTHER wants.

She wants to expose her breasts to unsuspecting strangers. She wants to promote her beliefs even at the expense or highly possible expense of others including but not limited to her own children.

All of this under the big umbrella of MY BAYYYYYYYYYYBEEEEE and my BAYBEEES right to EAT.

I'm suspicious and I'm questioning. The OP can answer if she wishes or not. To say it's personal is rediculous. One of the highest positions of exposing the world (litterally) to full breasts during feedings is to EDUCATE. So I'm asking for an education and not in a thinly disguised way. Right out there ... right in your face... just like what happened to my kid... Like it or not... I have the right to ask.