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Hahah I looked it up google search and it said it was a Jim henson muppet? Lol. I don't know what those are either but either way i got super good laugh!!
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Now the Muppet theme song is stuck in my head.Comment
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Lol no I dont. That puppet u posted is super funny looking.
I'm gonna google Jim henson muppetsComment
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The most famous Manha Manha song with the one and only Animal.
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WowI'm the poster you quoted. Yes, I agree it wasn't ok to blow up in front of the kids - and there's her story, the provider's story and the truth. In business though, the burden of professionalism lies with the vendor, not the customer. I wish the OP had posted more details on exactly what was said. If I had to guess, I would say that both of them said some dandies in the heat of the moment that they regret.
I still think both of them messed up and the issue could have been easily resolved through a mature conversation - it sounds like what escalated the issue was when the provider termed the family after she asked the provider to not get "dolled up" during naptime and the mom blew up after being termed, didn't help that the provider slammed her foot in the door needlessly. The provider needs to think about her reputation as well - does she really want to be known as the provider who uses 20-90 minutes each Friday getting ready to go out on Friday nights and is willing to term a parent over it and injure a parent when the parent asks her to supervise the children during naptime? I'm sure this mom will bad mouth in town - if it'd happened to me, I would! I seriously think she should report this provider as well - might not do anything, but there'd be a report on it - especially the slamming foot in door.
I agree with you about center's not being all that great all the time. But I think in this case, a home provider really wouldn't be able to meet her needs. And at least in a center, you were there to report that (as other teachers should have but didn't) and in most cases there are 2 providers in classrooms in centers. This is rarely the case with in home. I agree that customers should trust their gut. I also firmly believe that the customer is always right as well - because we don't know everything that was said, this is a hard one. Overall, I have to side with the customer here because it's unprofessional to term a family like that, bottom line, regardless of circumstances. The burdon is on the business, not the customer. It's bad for business. She made a decision without any thought into it and that can be dangerous. I won't blame the mom for getting angry, anyone would if you were just termed over not wanting them to do their hair while providing care. And yes, they are just a babysitter if the lady wasn't licensed or certified by the state to provide care. Only those that are licensed or certified are required to take the additional classes on SIDS, etc.
And you gotta admit, that regardless, the provider thought her Fridays were important enough to term over - rememeber from the OP, that the mom only questioned her and asked her not to do it anymore and the provider termed her on the spot. The OP should have included her Friday rituals in her interview or handbook so customers know she's doing this every Friday. Sorry, but I wouldn't want my kid there either - I expect my provider to be within sight and sound of my child at all times. The parent/child relationship expectation is different from the child/provider relationship - sorry, but parents get to leave their kids unattended during nap, center providers don't - it's licensing.
I don't lump everyone, but this forum has really put a bad taste in my mouth for home based centers as you understand from reading it. I'll continue reading it and interjecting, because someone has to put some reason into these responses. I would never choose a home based for any future but don't tell my friends to not choose them either - I always tell people to choose based on their needs. Some people, like in this case, there's no way it'll work for her in a home based center based on her needs.
But, then again, I guess I should say that unregistered people shouldn't be lumped under trolls either. And every time unregistereds post, the troll comments come out and the moderator's allow it even though there is behavior conduct rules on this forum that aren't being enforced. These poor parents are being allowed to be attacked mercilessly. I've never posted inflamatory comments, etc to get a rise - I post replies because I can come from a reasonable standpoint without my heart on my sleeve and I can see both sides of the argument. I can tell you that I believe there are more trolls as members than unregistered here.
The "customer is always right" is so silly. If a provider believes that she has a one hundred percent chance of failure. It's IMPOSSIBLE to do this job well and be successful if you believe that your clients should dictate your policies and your business practices. The ONLY way it would work is to just have one family with one child. That's the nanny business not the group child care business.
The parents act of keeping her foot in the door because she wasn't done discussing the make up was a full barrell act of aggression and bullying. At that point she had her child in her custody. She had NO business forcing the provider to keep discussing it by using her body to force a face to face.
This is a dangerous parent. We don't need to hear anymore of her story. She said clearly what she did that was inapropriate. She deserved to be terminated. For the provider, the providers children, and the other children, this parent shouldn't be allowed on the premise. It's too risky to have adults coming into your home who are willing to be physically aggressive when they feel wronged or disagree with the provider.
If the parent felt the child had actually BEEN harmed then it would be a bit understandable. It's obvious that the parent received the child in good condition or she wouldn't have been concerned about ever returning.
Providers need to feel empowered NOT told to do as they are told.Comment
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Ugh! This pisses me off cause it is the OP's way of thinking that is sooooo common among parents! Can you imagine how burned OUT we would all be if we have a FULL house of kids from 6 AM to 6 PM without ANY TYPE OF BREAK!? So ignorant....
I am lucky if I get even a half hour break during naptime. Today two babies took a morning nap while my toddlers played, then the toddlers napped while the babies played, then after the toddlers woke up...the babies took a nap. Nope, no break here today! Do I get paid for working during my "breaktime"? Noooooo.
I think (if this is real) the real problem here is the OP is jealous that the provider has a life on Friday nights.Comment
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So you actually had no problem with how your son was cared for, you just thought since you pay her you should be able to control what she does with her time.
You also thought that you were able to tell her that she SHOULD actually continue to care for your son after she told you she would no longer do so.
Finally, you thought that you had the right to remain in her home after she asked you to leave.
You thought.Comment
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This is how I think it went.
Mom shows up at the door. Provider opens the door looking pretty and ready for a nice evening.
Mom looks like the south end of a north bound horse and feels jealous. Proceeds to ACT like the south end of a north bound horse........Comment
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This post doesn't sound real, but here are some of my thoughts anyway: (1) I'm understanding that your rate is $150 for 9 hours. The other families are probably also paying $150 for 9 hours (they just have different hours. 9-6, for example). Did you get a handbook of policies? It should have said that the rate is $150 for 9 hours. If it said the rate was $150 and you can leave the child as few or as many hours as you want, then I would have an issue with it, too, if she wasn't following her own policies and allowing you to leave him as long as you want. Why do you want your child to stay longer? Do you need to work more hrs at work? That's understandable, if so, and most providers will try to work with parents if they honestly do need more hours than they signed the contract for. Usually they draw up a new contract with your new work hours (perhaps adding a fee since the hours are outside the maximum of 9 hrs/day for $150). Or were you wanting to go home for some "me time" before picking your child up, and that's why you're upset at having to pick him up by 4:30? Think of it this way: you work 8 hr days, then want to go home and have a little break before dealing with child. They work 12 hour days straight. No break during the day, unless every child in care actually goes to sleep.
(2) with the make up during nap time: You get breaks at work (especially if you worked 12 hr days!). It would be illegal for your boss to have you work that many hours without one. But home providers shouldn't get one because you pay them? Do you realize that if they couldn't catch their breath in the middle of the day and take some sort of break, they would be sick much more often, become burned out and too tired, and may end up quitting (So they can go to an 8 hr day job and come home with more money in the bank than they ever had working 12 hr days)? Plus if they were burned out and sick from over working themselves (childcare is a VERY very physically and emotionally exhausting job, that never ends. Even after all the children go home, they still have paper work, cleaning, lesson planning, etc etc to do), they would have to take a sick day (meaning they have no choice but to call you at the last minute saying they can't care for your child unless you want your child to get their illness), and you would be left without care for your child that day. As long as your son is safely asleep, what is wrong with your provider taking a few minutes to apply a little more make-up and paint their toenails? Did you ask her how often she checks on the children while she's doing her "doll-up" session? She may be checking on him every two minutes visually, while still keeping her ears tuned to the sleeping children. How close is the bathroom from the nap room? Wouldn't you rather she do this while all the children are safely sleeping rather than while they are awake and not so safe? Is it okay for her to use the bathroom while your child is sleeping, or is that not okay since she can't see your child if she's on the toilet? Do you physically stay in the same room as your child while they sleep, with your eye on them the entire time? Do you never put make up on or touch up your nails while your child is home, or is that why you need your child to stay at daycare longer, so you can do this stuff without him around?
(3) You said you "couldn't handle it any longer" so you confronted her. The way this is phrased, it sounds like you may have blown up in a way and came off too strongly and disrespectfully. If a parent came in and talked disrespectfully to me in my own home, I would be really upset, and believe it was terms for termination. You stated that the provider answered your questions, but you told her what she couldn't do anymore, as if you were her boss. When she tried to get you to leave, you stated in your post that you weren't finished discussing things with her, so had placed your foot inside the door to stop her from shutting the door. Why would you complain about the pain she caused your foot when YOU are the one that put your foot there! Did she even know your foot was there when she tried to shut the door? I would be looking at your face as I shut the door, not at your foot to make sure it didn't get in the way. You tried to force yourself back inside HER house, which you had no legal right to force yourself on her property (since you had your child in your arms), by the way. That would be grounds for immediate termination with no refunds, even if you hadn't already disrespected her, and the courts would see it this way, as well. You could try to go to court and get your money back, but they wouldn't give it to you. There's too many things wrong with the situation. If it was in her handbook and contract, it is legally binding. You may not like what she does during nap time, but as long as she is following the licensing regulations (which my state's say "within sight OR sound at all times"), it's okay what she was doing. To me, it sounds like you are just upset with the fact that you can't leave your child 12 hours a day. Or that she wanted to make herself look better by putting on some make-up so she could have an evening out of the house.Comment
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86 posts and the op hasn't come back???????Comment
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Well... a thought did cross my mind.
Perhaps the whole original post was created by a member about what happened to her but posted like a DCParent might write it.
Now which one of you beauties is it? :
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It's not me because I don't wear make up, don't need to straighten my hair and I don't have the time or inkling to do nails.
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Well, it can't be me. I don't own a blow dryer or curling iron, haven't used nail polish in 20 years, and I have to borrow make-up from my daughter the few times a year I use it.Well... a thought did cross my mind.
Perhaps the whole original post was created by a member about what happened to her but posted like a DCParent might write it.
Now which one of you beauties is it? ::
It's not me because I don't wear make up, don't need to straighten my hair and I don't have the time or inkling to do nails.
I still believe it was a troll.Comment
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