My Babysitter Termed Me Because I Refused To Pay Her To Get Ready For A Friday Night

[Preschool/daycare teacher]

Wasn't me either :: I don't own curling iron either, hardly ever wear make-up and if I do it's just eye liner and tad bit of blush. My poor toenails might have seen the nail polish once this whole summer...oh and I cannot stand fake eye lashes! Oh and we are not open 6-6. (Although someone wants us to open at 5 am, and someone else wants us to close at 6 pm. They were both a no go, even if we are desperate for more children! 2 children would not make it worth 13 hour work days or going insane and having to go to the insane assylum:

[PitterPatter]

Well... a thought did cross my mind.

Perhaps the whole original post was created by a member about what happened to her but posted like a DCParent might write it.

Now which one of you beauties is it? ::

It's not me because I don't wear make up, don't need to straighten my hair and I don't have the time or inkling to do nails.

Not I, I don't have makeup and polish etc. I do own a blow dryer but I don't dry my hair much in summer. It's usually in a ponytail or in a bun. Besides I don't even 'go out'. My idea of a fun night in summer is spent on the porch chatting with friends/neigbors with a tall glass of iced tea, and watching the kids play hide and seek or catch lightening bugs. Exciting I know

[littlemissmuffet]

Someone's jeslous!

I do my hair and makeup in the morning, but I reapply my makeup and re-do my hair during nap time as well. I also paint my nails during nap time. I change too. If any of my parents had an issue, I'd simply show them the door... just like yours did.

[Auntie]

I see nothing wrong with what that provider did during nap time. If she took a shower well maybe that would have been out of ear shot of the kids and that would be a possible oops. But fixing hair/make-up and doing nails who cares. Where is the follow up from the original poster of this thread? And to the OP just put your kid in a center those caregivers cannot leave the room.

[Kaddidle Care]

Someone's jeslous!

I do my hair and makeup in the morning, but I reapply my makeup and re-do my hair during nap time as well. I also paint my nails during nap time. I change too. If any of my parents had an issue, I'd simply show them the door... just like yours did.

AHA!!! So it's YOU! hahahaha! :: (just kidding)

[Hunni Bee]

It wasn't me because I'm nearly bald

[Unregistered]

So should providers write out everything they do or might do in a given day? Do you really want to know that your provider "may" put in a loud of laundry during naptime, clean dishes, go to the bathroom, put on make-up God-forbid! etc. etc?!? IMO what difference does it make what the provider is doing? It's naptime for heaven's sakes? When you are home & your child is sleeping do you stare over them for hours? Who's watching your child at night time when you are both sleeping? Some people need to get a life!

To Momofboys:
Well, the OP really was quiet shocked by the amount of time the provider was spending dolling up. Center's don't do this, they have to be in the room at all times, even during nap time. A center would be a better fit her. My point in my post was that if it's that important to term over, then it should be in the contract. No one can think of everything to put in there, but the provider thought it was that important to term over. The provider changed her mind on why she was terming after thinking about it because she probably found out she didn't have the appropriate clause in her contract and then emailed a different reason in writing, the harrassment. The harrassment thing was pretty loose, because an argument on it's own isn't harrassment and it sounds like the provider already termed her for the not getting ready request and we didn't get detail on exactly what was said, but I think it's safe to say both parties are guilty. I did say in my post though, that centers have to be in the classroom at all times, so if they can do it, I think a provider could do it as well. But that's one of the reasons I didn't choose homecare, because I don't agree with the provider being outside of sight and sound during naptime or otherwise, even bathroom breaks. But in home care licensing regs are different from center regulations.

[MarinaVanessa]

But that's one of the reasons I didn't choose homecare, because I don't agree with the provider being outside of sight and sound during naptime or otherwise, even bathroom breaks. But in home care licensing regs are different from center regulations.

Centers also have state mandated breaks so that their employees can go to the bathroom or do their hair, nails & make-up during these times if they so choose. They also have more employees that can step in to watch the kiddos should they need to use the potty really bad before their break or lunch times, home-daycares usually do not have assistants or extra employees around. And you are absolutely right, centers have different licensing regs than home-daycares... they also have higher adult=child ratios. meaning that one adult cares for more children at a center than a home provider can in a family daycare home, which is one of the main reasons that they are required to stay in the classroom at all times. Just saying .

[MG&Lsmom]

But that's one of the reasons I didn't choose homecare, because I don't agree with the provider being outside of sight and sound during naptime or otherwise, even bathroom breaks.

You find fault with home daycare licensing because they allow a provider to use the bathroom during daycare hours? Or to walk into an adjacent room to discard a diaper? Or help another child in the bathroom? It's your prerogative to choose what's best for your child, however, to bash ALL home based providers because they need bathroom breaks in the 10-12 hours children are present, or nap some children in another room is ridiculous. In the center I worked in 18 years ago, we were allowed to send fully potty trained children to the restroom by themselves. It was attached to the room, but they were out of sight. And outside there were areas we could not see directly, like inside the playhouses. Would you expect at a center that someone sit inside the playhouse to be always in the sight of your child? How about leading a line of toddlers out the door? My back would be turned at times. Another no-no. And this should all be spelled out in the contract? How many pages would you be willing to read, initial, and comply with? Expectations of some parents are just too high sometimes.

[Vesta]

I can't post a link but this thread reminds me of the new Geico commercial about daycare being too expensive so the center is fully staffed by robots.
Watch for it, it's cracks me up every time I see it.
I guess that is what some parents would prefer.....

[nannyde]

You find fault with home daycare licensing because they allow a provider to use the bathroom during daycare hours? Or to walk into an adjacent room to discard a diaper? Or help another child in the bathroom? It's your prerogative to choose what's best for your child, however, to bash ALL home based providers because they need bathroom breaks in the 10-12 hours children are present, or nap some children in another room is ridiculous. In the center I worked in 18 years ago, we were allowed to send fully potty trained children to the restroom by themselves. It was attached to the room, but they were out of sight. And outside there were areas we could not see directly, like inside the playhouses. Would you expect at a center that someone sit inside the playhouse to be always in the sight of your child? How about leading a line of toddlers out the door? My back would be turned at times. Another no-no. And this should all be spelled out in the contract? How many pages would you be willing to read, initial, and comply with? Expectations of some parents are just too high sometimes.

I've been thinking about this thread today and the notion that when kids are in child care that they need direct visual supervision at all times. This is now a common expectation.

But... when you read "new mommy" advice you hear the same thing year after year...... SLEEP when the baby sleeps. Get rest. Rest up when the baby rests or you won't be able to manage the baby. You'll get too tired with your one baby.

Why is it that when that baby is in parental care that society understands that the mommy needs a break but when a couple of dollars an hour pass hands all of a sudden that SAME child needs to have an adult visually seeing them at all times?

If babies, toddlers, and preschoolers need an adult to be in the same room with them and visually see them every single second then they need that EVERYWHERE they go and at ALL times.

I do believe that children need a higher level of supervision in group care than in parental care. The numbers of children alone dictate that there is a higher probability that something preventable could happen........ BUT

if children are safely confined and the adult is awake and can HEAR them and do visual checks frequently.... then imho that is acceptable supervision in group care.

The only age group I believe really DOES need visual supervision at all times is school aged children.

I also think we get compared to centers a lot in these convo's but the bottom line truth is is that centers have a VERY VERY high turnover in staff for a reason. One of the reasons is that they don't get proper breaks away from the kids and the stimulation of having a large group of age mates in a single room for multiple hours a day is EXHAUSTING and overloading to most workers. The ones who are with them every second and watch them visually every second are the ones who quit and go do something else after a few months.

We aren't robots. We are humans. We need breaks. We need to pace ourselves. We are dealing with human babies and there is ALWAYS a risk that some children will get harmed or die when they are with us. We can do everything in our power to decrease that to as low of a level as possible but when that expectation becomes something that even their parents with one, two kids can't ever replicate then it begs the question if it is reasonable and doable.

Money doesn't dictate a child's needs. The number of children under one adults care DOES dictate some of the childs real needs. There has to be some common sense and some fairness in the expectations.

[Country Kids]

I can't post a link but this thread reminds me of the new Geico commercial about daycare being too expensive so the center is fully staffed by robots.
Watch for it, it's cracks me up every time I see it.
I guess that is what some parents would prefer.....

I'm going to really watch this next time. I've seen it but not paid attention so could never figure out what they were talking about!

[MyAngels]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_Qc_nmSUGQ

The Geico commercial...

[PitterPatter]

You find fault with home daycare licensing because they allow a provider to use the bathroom during daycare hours? Or to walk into an adjacent room to discard a diaper? Or help another child in the bathroom? It's your prerogative to choose what's best for your child, however, to bash ALL home based providers because they need bathroom breaks in the 10-12 hours children are present, or nap some children in another room is ridiculous. In the center I worked in 18 years ago, we were allowed to send fully potty trained children to the restroom by themselves. It was attached to the room, but they were out of sight. And outside there were areas we could not see directly, like inside the playhouses. Would you expect at a center that someone sit inside the playhouse to be always in the sight of your child? How about leading a line of toddlers out the door? My back would be turned at times. Another no-no. And this should all be spelled out in the contract? How many pages would you be willing to read, initial, and comply with? Expectations of some parents are just too high sometimes.

I can see the kids everywhere here except when using the bathroom so I will address that. If we couldn't use the bathroom during daycare hours our blatters would burst! Either that or we would be handing the children over at the end of the day with yellow streaks running down our legs. I do try to hold it as long as possible but I admit sometimes I can't even hold it until nap time. When we make potty breaks I too go. I will sit the kids in the hall outside the door and hurry as I listen but for someone to expect us not to eliminate in any way for 10-11 hrs is just insane. I had a DCM that wanted me to take her preschooler son to the bathroom with me when I went!! I guess I will be putting a few extra notices in my handbook. "provider is not willing to piss herself for your child, she will take potty breaks of her own AND alone!" I also refuse to go assist school aged children. I will wait outside the door but that's it for me! JMHO

[youretooloud]

I still don't believe this post is real..... BUT..

For some people a center is best. However, the child will go through many, many teachers between infant-kindergarten. They will have three or more teachers each day, then teacher turnover is very high, plus the floaters so the main teacher can take a break during the day.

WE keep the kids from birth through kindergarten or even later. So, the kids can become attached to us. WE remember our kids 30 years later, and even become facebook friends with them. I can still remember what Thomas Poole's favorite food was in 1985. I remember that Stephanie Tucker was a biter when she was 18 months old. I still remember Kyle Oniell's birthday is May 19th, and he's 20 years old now.

I've worked in centers, and I have pictures from those years, and the only kids who's names I remember are the kids we couldn't stand. I think they were all named Nicky.... it's odd how all the bad kids were named Nicky.