11.5 Hours A Day In Daycare?

[hwichlaz]

Most parents can stagger their hours so they don’t leave their kids in care for those hours. I can see some people truly needing it but most don’t.

Almost every single daycare ad I have seen in the past two years is for a minimum of 10 hours a day. The last family I interviewed needed my full day of 7am-5pm eventhough I asked both of them what they did for a living and there was no reason they could not stagger their hours like some of my other families. The couple across the street from me both work the same job as my husband but both work 10 hours to his 7!

Some people are making those choices.

That was possible before they were short-handed. Now everyone is ordered in for mandatory over time. We are a very large county...and right now we only have 2 deputies on duty at a time. There is a large lake in the middle of our county that takes about an hour to drive around rolling code. It's practically the wild west out here right now. With mom and dad working opposite days, because of the mandatory OT the kids are still in care 4 days a week 13 hours a day. No one likes it...but getting fired for refusing the OT isn't an option.

Examply, before mandatory OT mom works Mon-Wed and every other Thursday. Dad worked Every other wednesday and Thurs-Sat They get sundays off together to do family stuff. Mom is working at the jail, dad on patrol, which is why the sunday off happens. With mandatory OT they are both working 6 days a week but still getting Sundays off together. It really ****s

[Blackcat31]

That was possible before they were short-handed. Now everyone is ordered in for mandatory over time. We are a very large county...and right now we only have 2 deputies on duty at a time. There is a large lake in the middle of our county that takes about an hour to drive around rolling code. It's practically the wild west out here right now. With mom and dad working opposite days, because of the mandatory OT the kids are still in care 4 days a week 13 hours a day. No one likes it...but getting fired for refusing the OT isn't an option.

Examply, before mandatory OT mom works Mon-Wed and every other Thursday. Dad worked Every other wednesday and Thurs-Sat They get sundays off together to do family stuff. Mom is working at the jail, dad on patrol, which is why the sunday off happens. With mandatory OT they are both working 6 days a week but still getting Sundays off together. It really ****s

There is no other family to assist in child care duties?

If not perhaps it’s time for one parent to stay home with their child then

Children are only young once.

Plus most the “expenses” people have now days are optional not necessary.

I agree with Ariana 100%
Everything is a choice

[Indoorvoice]

There is no other family to assist in child care duties?

If not perhaps it’s time for one parent to stay home with their child then

Children are only young once.

Plus most the “expenses” people have now days are optional not necessary.

I agree with Ariana 100%
Everything is a choice

Yup, people DO have the choice. You don't have to work THAT career just because that's what you have now. The work from home options are endless right now. My teaching career worked for my family for 6 great years until it didn't. Then child care worked for 5 more until it didn't. Now I found a new job that fits my growing family even better. Options are out there but you have to do the work to find them and make them work for your needs and your kids' needs. Sometimes dropping your kid off at daycare is the easiest. Doesn't mean it's the best. We're not in a job shortage right now,you can find what works for your family.

[hwichlaz]

There is no other family to assist in child care duties?

If not perhaps it’s time for one parent to stay home with their child then

Children are only young once.

Plus most the “expenses” people have now days are optional not necessary.

I agree with Ariana 100%
Everything is a choice

yes, but when that choice means not eating it's not much of a choice. when it means not being able to afford housing, it's not much of a choice. People do what they need to do to get by, and it's not up to us judge them for that.

They are paying their bills, caring for their children, and hopefully more officers will get hired and things will calm down again. Quitting would just mean the community their their children are living in is now less safe.

[Blackcat31]

yes, but when that choice means not eating it's not much of a choice. when it means not being able to afford housing, it's not much of a choice. People do what they need to do to get by, and it's not up to us judge them for that.

They are paying their bills, caring for their children, and hopefully more officers will get hired and things will calm down again. Quitting would just mean the community their their children are living in is now less safe.

You are speaking of one specific family.
I am speaking in general

I am sure there are truly families that must work long hours (thus leaving their child in care long hours) in order to simply eat/survive but to be truthful I think those families are few and far between.

Those types of families are different.
We, as providers recognize them easily via their attitudes, their communication with us and their willingness to sneak quality moments in with their child when they can.

The families we vent about and discuss (in this and other threads) are the type to get instantly snippy when it's pointed out that they are CHOOSING to work long hours so they can pay for things they want, not things they need.

There's a big difference. The families like you are speaking of probably wouldn't tell others to promptly stfu in response to this discussion.

[LysesKids]

There is no other family to assist in child care duties?

If not perhaps it’s time for one parent to stay home with their child then

Children are only young once.

Plus most the “expenses” people have now days are optional not necessary.

I agree with Ariana 100%
Everything is a choice

No offense, but I was working 14 hrs a day a few years ago for this reason... one of my families was military & heart surgeon @ UT Medical, both worked 12 hr days & tried to schedule to make infant in care less, but they weren't on opposite shifts, but overlapped hrs... guaranteed 13 hrs a day on this one child, no family within 8 hrs and nobody else would do those hrs. Sometimes it's a no win situation (except OT pay).

BTW, I got this little back for drop-in for 2 weeks early last year (before I closed); parents loved that I was willing to step in again for evening hrs while they were getting ready to relocated across country; little miss didn't need to see her home packed up late at night

[amberrose3dg]

You are speaking of one specific family.
I am speaking in general

I am sure there are truly families that must work long hours (thus leaving their child in care long hours) in order to simply eat/survive but to be truthful I think those families are few and far between.

Those types of families are different.
We, as providers recognize them easily via their attitudes, their communication with us and their willingness to sneak quality moments in with their child when they can.

The families we vent about and discuss (in this and other threads) are the type to get instantly snippy when it's pointed out that they are CHOOSING to work long hours so they can pay for things they want, not things they need.

There's a big difference. The families like you are speaking of probably wouldn't tell others to promptly stfu in response to this discussion.

This! Most families that work those long of hours most likely only work 3 or 4 days a week. I have had a lot of families come through my door and have never actually had one that their child needed to be in care from open to close. The truth is most parents want someone else to do the heavy lifting.
I am only doing before and after care. I have a family now dad is a teacher. He works the same hours kids are in school.
He only picks his kids up maybe 1 day a week if that. He has his mom doing it. He has 6 kids!! He volunteers for other things and has to run errands etc... He has no problem dropping them in the mornings but picking them back up is a different story.
This is more the normal then two parents who have to work 24/7 just to eat.

[Hunni Bee]

I thought we had banned unregistered :confused: and this is the oldest thread i've seen dredged up - 8 years old.

I leave my house at 6:55 am and do not return until 6:55 pm, and that's if I go directly to work and directly home. When my ddaughter was in daycare she was here from 7:30 to 6:30 4 days a week. I am blessed that my mom keeps her so that even though she's missing a lot of face time with me, she's at least in her own home. I'm done with this job after this year.

My worst behaved kid is here 50-55 hours a week. Never absent, never picked up early, rain sleet tornadoes Armageddon - he's here. When he had a ear infection they picked him up regular time, took him promptly to Kidmed for antibiotics and he was dropped off early the next day.

I get both sides of the coin. The childcare industry discourages long hours but demands them from us.

[amberrose3dg]

I thought we had banned unregistered :confused: and this is the oldest thread i've seen dredged up - 8 years old.

I leave my house at 6:55 am and do not return until 6:55 pm, and that's if I go directly to work and directly home. When my ddaughter was in daycare she was here from 7:30 to 6:30 4 days a week. I am blessed that my mom keeps her so that even though she's missing a lot of face time with me, she's at least in her own home. I'm done with this job after this year.

My worst behaved kid is here 50-55 hours a week. Never absent, never picked up early, rain sleet tornadoes Armageddon - he's here. When he had a ear infection they picked him up regular time, took him promptly to Kidmed for antibiotics and he was dropped off early the next day.

I get both sides of the coin. The childcare industry discourages long hours but demands them from us.

But you are working those long hours caring for other's children. Providers that work at home can have their children with them.
Daycare centers are probably the worst as far as parents leaving their children open to close. Most charge more than a home provider but offer that open to close service. If a parent feels they are paying for it they will leave them there 12 hours even if they do not need it.

[Blackcat31]

I thought we had banned unregistered :confused: and this is the oldest thread i've seen dredged up - 8 years old.

Michael's reply from another thread regarding unregistered posters;

I decided to give it another try. We had some good unregistered posts the last 24 hours. The private and members only threads are still in effect which prevent access and unregistered posting.

[Susiecutie29]

For The Daycare That Denied A 12 hr Shift To A Mom

Have you judgemental people thought that she might be a single mom?? I was raised in foster care. I lost contact with all my family members. I am now married with my husband of eight years. The point is, if he were to leave me, I'd have no one to watch my kids. Therefore, forcing my hand to work a longer shift from eight to twelve hours. At this time, I'd have no choice but to have them be in day care for that long. I would hate it and with a passion, but sometimes and most people, don't have the option to be a stay at home mom. Even if there were two parents, nowadays, it takes two paychecks to live in this God forsaken world. You really think if she had another way, she would be home with her babies longer??? You mothers out there need to have more compassion for other people's lives. You don't know until you ask. As for the person who denied her care for her children just because you thought it was too long, shame on you! Yes, it is long, but every situation is different and this mom needed your help.

[springv]

We are opened from 6am until 6pm Monday-Friday and some of our kids stay that long and some stay from 6am until 2pm or 3:30pm depending on their work schedules. When the first owners did this they done it so that it gives parents reasonable time to get to and from work or wherever they need to be

[Blackcat31]

Have you judgemental people thought that she might be a single mom??

Being a single parent is not a disability.
Single parenting is not "special" nor does it equate to deserving special treatment. :confused:

I was raised in foster care. I lost contact with all my family members. I am now married with my husband of eight years. The point is, if he were to leave me, I'd have no one to watch my kids. Therefore, forcing my hand to work a longer shift from eight to twelve hours. At this time, I'd have no choice but to have them be in day care for that long. I would hate it and with a passion, but sometimes and most people, don't have the option to be a stay at home mom.

So hypothetically if your husband were to leave you, he would also being leaving his parental duties/responsibilities as well?

He would surely be available to help raise the child(ren) you had together...

Also in 8+ years time you have made no friends nor developed any type of support system than can lend a hand or help in caring for your child(ren) verses assuming a child care provider should have to step up and do that work for you?

Even if there were two parents, nowadays, it takes two paychecks to live in this God forsaken world.

9 out of 10 times it's because people (generally) feel that they need things they really don't need but rather want.
It requires two paychecks because people live beyond their means and choose to live a specific way.

You really think if she had another way, she would be home with her babies longer??? You mothers out there need to have more compassion for other people's lives. You don't know until you ask.

Most providers have experienced parents that bring their children every day, all day even on their off days.

Its a rare parent that uses child care for only working hours.
So our experience as providers differs greatly from what you are saying.

As for the person who denied her care for her children just because you thought it was too long, shame on you! Yes, it is long, but every situation is different and this mom needed your help.

Assuming child care providers don't care or shaming us for not assisting in the PARENT part of raising a child is judgemental and unkind. Shame on you for thinking it's a provider's responsibility to fill in the gaps for parents.

Providers work LONG hours without breaks or time off during the day.
We work long and hard to make up for those things parents often times don't do for their children.

Providers see the fall out of parents that put work obligations above their child and long hours are never beneficial for a child in any situation.

Don't blame child care providers for that.
That's on the parent.

Oh and for the record; many licensing rules and regulations prohibit a child from being in care more than a set number of hours per day.

But you wouldn't know that unless you asked.

Clearly it's not the provider's that are being judgmental here.

[Susiecutie29]

Ok, so we're not talking about my situation, it was hypothetical

Some people just don't have that option. Dads can be scumbags. Hell, a number of reasons why she needs her kids to be in daycare that long. Do you know? I don't think so. Have compassion. And personally, I don't think a forty-five minute wait is too bad. However, there needs to be rules. If she had gone past that forty-five minute mark, then say you can't do this anymore. Daycare centers get paid quite the amount. Forty-five minutes is not too bad for someone who needs the help. Don't be judgemental, ask first, evaluate, then offer a final answer. thanks kitty kat 30

[Rockgirl]

I’m compassionate, but my workday is already ten hours long. That’s just the time children are actually in my care. There’s also the time spent planning, shopping, cleaning, doing required paperwork, and keeping annual trainings up to date. So if I choose not to extend my workday to meet someone else’s needs, I’m not compassionate to their situation? Nah.

Providers who don’t set limits, and always say yes because they feel the need to fill in others’ gaps, are destined for burnout. That’s not healthy for anyone involved. We need compassion, too.