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[Annalee]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...your state is weird.

...and one of the ONLY ones that is that rigid.



.....yet.

YET.....being the key word!::

[LysesKids]

Here they do! If a provider does NOT complete the QRIS report card, they lose their license.

and the reason I still stay legally license exempt here

[Annalee]

and the reason I still stay legally license exempt here

Yep, I look for the number of licensed facilities to keep going down in our state. :confused:

[Blackcat31]

What I'm saying is some of the rules for QRIS are now becoming rules for childcare so yes they are alligning. To be a certified family childcare here, you have to have to have so much education/be on a certain step in our registry system. This aligns with our QRIS having a so much education/be on a certain step in our registry system. So they are now going hand in had with some things. I have noticed some of the rules for our QRIS is becoming rules for our childcare. The above is just one of them. So I see that if we aren't doing something for QRIS that we are suppose to be doing and it is a QRIS Rule and State rule either agency can report us to the other one.

3. QRIS doesn't report to anyone. They are their own system. No they don't decide if we receive our registration or certification. The Department of Education does which as you see, with the Department of Education as our head they will more then likely go hand in hand with QRIS.

You just said in another post that either agency (licensing or QRIS) reports to the other if you aren't following a rule. :confused:

1. At this time it is all voluntary but they are trying to get as many STARed because it will roll out soon that if you don't have STARs you will not be able to have state paid children. You will still be a childcare just not take state paid children. .

So after all that back and forth.... I will repeat the statement I made earlier...

"QRIS is not the law. They cannot tell you as a child care provider that you cannot use the internet or other forms of electronic media while providing care to children"

I understand that by participating in QRIS, you VOLUNTARILY agree to that but it is not a state law set forth for ALL child care providers. Same as the food program. You (the provider) are voluntarily agreeing to their policies.

The OP is implying the use of electronics/technology is a state licensing rule.

I would like to read what her state's rules specifically say about that.

Like the rules in DaycareDiva's state. However, even the rules in her state read as if the are talking about the daycare kids not the provider. So again, open to interpretation.

[Country Kids]

Yep, I look for the number of licensed facilities to keep going down in our state. :confused:

Many of our 5 STAR facilities in our state are already out of business! This is in the span of 12-15 months at the most. Why do all that if your going to shut your doors right after. We did receive monies for improvements but why take those recourses from someone else. It had to be improvements childcare related-no building, painting, etc.

[Heidi]

You just said in another post that either agency (licensing or QRIS) reports to the other if you aren't following a rule. :confused:



So after all that back and forth.... I will repeat the statement I made earlier...

"QRIS is not the law. They cannot tell you as a child care provider that you cannot use the internet or other forms of electronic media while providing care to children"

I understand that by participating in QRIS, you VOLUNTARILY agree to that but it is not a state law set forth for ALL child care providers. Same as the food program. You (the provider) are voluntarily agreeing to their policies.

The OP is implying the use of electronics/technology is a state licensing rule.

I would like to read what her state's rules specifically say about that.

Like the rules in DaycareDiva's state. However, even the rules in her state read as if the are talking about the daycare kids not the provider. So again, open to interpretation.

This is exactly how I read that reg! Diva said it was also mentioned elsewhere, but the reg she shared said, to me, that the CHILDREN couldn't be in front of a screen accept for educational purposes.

[Country Kids]

You just said in another post that either agency (licensing or QRIS) reports to the other if you aren't following a rule. :confused:



So after all that back and forth.... I will repeat the statement I made earlier...

"QRIS is not the law. They cannot tell you as a child care provider that you cannot use the internet or other forms of electronic media while providing care to children"

I understand that by participating in QRIS, you VOLUNTARILY agree to that but it is not a state law set forth for ALL child care providers. Same as the food program. You (the provider) are voluntarily agreeing to their policies.

The OP is implying the use of electronics/technology is a state licensing rule.

I would like to read what her state's rules specifically say about that.

Like the rules in DaycareDiva's state. However, even the rules in her state read as if the are talking about the daycare kids not the provider. So again, open to interpretation.

What I meant in the one post was if I'm not following a QRIS rule and it is also the same as a rule from the Dept. of Education I can see them being able to report us to each other even though they are two seperate agencies.

Our food program turns providers in all the time to Dept. of Education here.

I guess I'm really confused why you think QRIS can't tell us that we can't use electonic media? That is the rules they set forth and we have to abide by if we are in the program. It would be the same as the food program, they have rules and we have to abide by them.

[Play Care]

Like the rules in DaycareDiva's state. However, even the rules in her state read as if the are talking about the daycare kids not the provider. So again, open to interpretation

Exactly. The ironic thing is that I do not even need to be in the same room as my napping kids (I have to have parents sign off stating they are aware of this)My thought was that this is for those providers who leave the tv on for two + hours in the nap room... And as we've seen, even facebook, this site, etc can all be considered doing "business" which is allowed...
I've said before and I'll say it again - if I need to take care of personal business during my work day (talking to my kids teachers, making a doctors appointment, etc) I will do it. And they can site me for it.

[Play Care]

I guess I'm really confused why you think QRIS can't tell us that we can't use electonic media? That is the rules they set forth and we have to abide by if we are in the program. It would be the same as the food program, they have rules and we have to abide by them.

I think what Black Cat means is that if you get caught violating QRIS or the FP, they can boot you from the program, but that won't necessarily mean any licensing repercussions. For instance, I could get kicked off the food program for being late submitting my menus (I think it's 3 times?) But that doesn't mean I'm no longer a provider. Just means I can't be on the FP.
The one issue I can see is state's where QRIS and licensing are one in the same - and I think that so far there is only one provider with that...

[Heidi]

I think what Black Cat means is that if you get caught violating QRIS or the FP, they can boot you from the program, but that won't necessarily mean any licensing repercussions. For instance, I could get kicked off the food program for being late submitting my menus (I think it's 3 times?) But that doesn't mean I'm no longer a provider. Just means I can't be on the FP.
The one issue I can see is state's where QRIS and licensing are one in the same - and I think that so far there is only one provider with that...

In WI, if you are kicked off the food program, they will yank your license.

If the FP or QRIS person sees you break a licensing rule, they can and will most likely report you to licensing. Probably depends on the rule. If they see an outlet unplugged, they'd probably just point it out. If they saw you discipline a child roughly, they'd call it in, and licensing would come investigate. The QRIS people can't actually cite you for something, but they can suggest things that are against their standards. FP can only enforce their own rules or report licensing violations to licensing. Licensing can only cite you for licensing violations. If they saw you break a FP rule, they would inform the FP. If they saw you do something against the QRIS standards, they'd most likely be clueless.

So...they all know the licensing rules (regulations), licensing knows the licensing rules and most of the FP rules but not the QRIS standards. Oh, and we're supposed to follow them all, but the QRIS ones are really a suggestion, not a regulation. As long as you followed them during your observation..whew...

[Blackcat31]

I think what Black Cat means is that if you get caught violating QRIS or the FP, they can boot you from the program, but that won't necessarily mean any licensing repercussions. For instance, I could get kicked off the food program for being late submitting my menus (I think it's 3 times?) But that doesn't mean I'm no longer a provider. Just means I can't be on the FP.
The one issue I can see is state's where QRIS and licensing are one in the same - and I think that so far there is only one provider with that...

I guess I'm really confused why you think QRIS can't tell us that we can't use electonic media? That is the rules they set forth and we have to abide by if we are in the program. It would be the same as the food program, they have rules and we have to abide by them.

I am NOT saying QRIS can't dictate rules to you/your program.

The OP implied it was a state licensing rule that said they cannot use electronics while kids were present.

The original post wasn't at all about QRIS...but state rules.

...I'm not sure when QRIS was brought in to the discussion.

[AmyKidsCo]

In WI, if you are kicked off the food program, they will yank your license.

Actually, I think it's the other way around - you can be licensed and not on the food program, but you can't be on the food program unless you're licensed.

[Play Care]

Actually, I think it's the other way around - you can be licensed and not on the food program, but you can't be on the food program unless you're licensed.

I think Heidi is saying that if, for some reason you get kicked off the FP, you will lose your license.

I know that my FP sponsers are mandated reporters, so if they see things going on they will report. They make that clear.

But I'm speaking more to paperwork errors (ie: submitting forms late) things that you've agreed not to do, but have nothing really to do with regulations, KWIM?

[NightOwl]

Someone mentioned no electronics at all can be used in their state. What about the daily connect app? You have to have a device to use that, so is our banned? What about my Bluetooth speaker and cell phone that I use to play kids music from? What about a cd player? Is music banned because electronics are? I don't see how this could be legal.

[LysesKids]

Someone mentioned no electronics at all can be used in their state. What about the daily connect app? You have to have a device to use that, so is our banned? What about my Bluetooth speaker and cell phone that I use to play kids music from? What about a cd player? Is music banned because electronics are? I don't see how this could be legal.

I would be sunk... my only electronics are a phone & my computer which plays music all day; parents expect to be able to text me to check on their babes (all under 18 months).