Ray Rays Pledge - Child Vehicular Heatstroke

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  • sally
    Daycare.com Member
    • May 2013
    • 267

    #31
    Thankfully, Iowa has law that if you injure someone while performing cpr they cannot sue you.

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    • SignMeUp
      Family ChildCare Provider
      • Jan 2014
      • 1325

      #32
      Originally posted by Sugar Magnolia
      I can't see how a daycare could be sued if a PARENT leaves the child in the car and walks away.
      Me either. But I also can't see how I am supposed to be responsible for how or if a child is properly buckled in their car seat once they are signed out and off my property.


      Originally posted by Sugar Magnolia
      In regards to the current story out of Georgia......I would not want to be the teacher that didn't call. I'm sure that center hasn't had any new enrollments. I'm not saying at all the daycare was responsible....the guilt must be unbearable.
      Me either. And I will always try to call. But I have not always been able to reach a parent when I have done this.

      Originally posted by Sugar Magnolia
      My cpr trainer once told me that the #1 reason people who are trained in cpr don't attempt it in a life threatening situation is because they are afraid of being sued. Does fear of litigation really trump morality now?
      No, I don't think so. Not for me at least. I will always attempt to reach the parent. But I may not be able to make repeated calls, and MY first responsibility is to the children IN my care.
      I will not, though, sign, online or otherwise, anything that states that I will do X-Y-Z in that circumstance, because that signature may be the thing that holds me legally liable as a business operator.

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      • Annalee
        Daycare.com Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 5864

        #33
        Originally posted by sally
        Thankfully, Iowa has law that if you injure someone while performing cpr they cannot sue you.
        Same here, it is the Good Samaritan Law.

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        • Meeko
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 4351

          #34
          Originally posted by Blackcat31
          While I think this is a nice idea, I have issues with this type of thing.

          The website states: (blue phrases)

          Contrary to public perception, the majority of child hot car deaths happen as a result of a responsible, loving parent unintentionally forgetting his/her precious cargo in the backseat

          I have issues with the words "responsible" and "unintentional"

          They are contradictory in that context. I get that parents are busy and preoccupied and stressed and are often multi-tasking but seriously....STOP!! and put your child first.

          Someone's MOST precious cargo should not be "forgotten" and if that is seriously the situation, then a campaign about parenting priorities should be done instead.

          Put the cell phone down, make extra time for a Starbucks run AFTER your child is at daycare.

          Child vehicular heatstroke was practically unheard of prior to placing kids in the backseat

          I do NOT believe this to be true at all. I think the reason child vehicular heatstroke was unheard of is because there weren't so many distractions causing a parent to forget about their babies..... Cell phones, DVD players, GPS devices, frazzled, over worked parents living on VERY little sleep, trying to do way too much at the expense of their child.

          Blaming the "backseat" is ridiculous and just another ploy to pass the buck about personal responsibilities.


          I apologize to anyone my comments offend but this subject hits close to home and is a sore spot with me.
          It is also a subject that I am tired of hearing about. Atleast in regards to how the parents bear no responsibility in this and efforts to promote eliminating this problem by getting child care providers and others to do more.

          It is a tragedy pure and simple but NOT one that isn't preventable and as a child care provider I am angry that this is being passed off onto us as another thing WE should be responsible for.

          I think people would be better off educating parents on how to NOT forget their child. Educate parents about how coffee runs, cell phones, Facebook and every other distraction out there CAN NOT come before your parental responsibilities to your child.

          NOT trying to start a debate and apologies to the OP as I don't mean to lead the thread away from your point. I am done and walking away.
          I just needed to get that out there and say it.
          I agree with every single word of this. It breaks my heart that a child died. But ultimately it is the PARENTS responsibility.

          The story explaining the events of the day written by the mother is heart-breaking up until the point that she tries to subtly cast a shadow on the daycare for not calling. It was NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. She lost her child, which is terrible and tragic. But, sad as it is, the blame only lies with ONE person.

          Would the child had survived if the daycare had called? Maybe. But maybe a child would be saved from drowning in the bathtub if providers call the parents each night to check on them.

          Maybe a child won't get electrocuted if we call daily and ask the parents if they have covers on their outlets at all times.

          Maybe a child won't get abducted if we call all weekend and make sure parents are watching their kids....etc.etc.etc.

          I tend children. I do not want to tend their parents too.

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          • sahm1225
            Advanced Daycare.com Member
            • Jun 2010
            • 2060

            #35
            Originally posted by Meeko
            I agree with every single word of this. It breaks my heart that a child died. But ultimately it is the PARENTS responsibility.

            The story explaining the events of the day written by the mother is heart-breaking up until the point that she tries to subtly cast a shadow on the daycare for not calling. It was NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. She lost her child, which is terrible and tragic. But, sad as it is, the blame only lies with ONE person.

            Would the child had survived if the daycare had called? Maybe. But maybe a child would be saved from drowning in the bathtub if providers call the parents each night to check on them.

            Maybe a child won't get electrocuted if we call daily and ask the parents if they have covers on their outlets at all times.

            Maybe a child won't get abducted if we call all weekend and make sure parents are watching their kids....etc.etc.etc.

            I tend children. I do not want to tend their parents too.

            I feel sadness for the family, but I don't think the responsibility is ours. What if while we are making that phone call to reach the parents, amount child gets hurt? What if the family has a rotating schedule and we forget?

            I wouldn't want that responsibility.

            That being said, I have a family w an infant and 5 year old that get dropped off at 7:30-7:45. One time Dcd was supposed to drop off and didn't until almost 9:45. I sent a text at 8:30 to follow up on the drop off time. Dcm was angry at Dcd for not sending a text saying they were running late (and now I get a text if it's more than 15min past the time). I've trained all my parents to text if more than 15 min variance.

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            • nannyde
              All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
              • Mar 2010
              • 7320

              #36
              I couldn't remember to do it. I am thinking of too many different things and I am not a clock watcher. Having part time kids would require me to keep track of who was arriving. I don't think about who has an appointment or was planning to be gone on a specific day.

              Nope. Doesn't have a thing to do with child care. It's not any different than any time the parents are caring for their kids. They are responsible.

              Parents can set up a daily check system with each other or family that check in daily to make sure the parent dropped off. They can devise a system within their own people.
              http://www.amazon.com/Daycare-Whispe...=doing+daycare

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              • nannyde
                All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
                • Mar 2010
                • 7320

                #37
                I just read the RayRay pledge and the story.

                I totally disagree with their solution. I think they need to focus on what Dad did and what Mom didn't do.

                Why didn't that mother call the dad to make sure he took his kid to daycare?

                It's time to develop a phone ap that is gps connected to the parents phone and when the gps doesn't sense.the phone arriving at the daycare by x time it sends a text to the parents phone.
                http://www.amazon.com/Daycare-Whispe...=doing+daycare

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                • Unregistered

                  #38
                  I agree with Blackcat. Maybe if parents/guardians erred held accountable these "distracted" parents wouldn't forget so often.

                  As to this incident, 1st they woke up late, were rushing, what was it 20-30 minutes until out the door? That child had just woken up, no way she would have fallen asleep with the excitement of the morning. Unless the drive was maybe 2 hours long! 2nd mom said dad would NORMALLY turn left in other words it wasn't out of his routine to do so, which is everybodies 1st excuse. 3rd it was such a special day, baby was looking exceptionally cute, I know I would have called dad to ask "how was drop off, did she show off her cute dress, did you take a quick pic?"

                  What is it with out of sight out of mind?! I don't buy it but am always reminded of "there but by the grace of God"

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                  • tehck_1013
                    Provider In Training
                    • May 2014
                    • 96

                    #39
                    Originally posted by nannyde
                    It's time to develop a phone ap that is gps connected to the parents phone and when the gps doesn't sense.the phone arriving at the daycare by x time it sends a text to the parents phone.
                    oooooooo tech savvy. I like that.
                    Get on it Nannyde!

                    Just kidding. I couldn't make it either.
                    Whoever does could get a dollar for every purchase though.........
                    and all the childrens' lives saved? Priceless.

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                    • nannyde
                      All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 7320

                      #40
                      Originally posted by tehck_1013
                      oooooooo tech savvy. I like that.
                      Get on it Nannyde!

                      Just kidding. I couldn't make it either.
                      Whoever does could get a dollar for every purchase though.........
                      and all the childrens' lives saved? Priceless.
                      Time to get our leader Michael on this one. Now that would be a Daycare.com presents ap that would be great but... it would have to have a strong user agreement with it.

                      Centers and homes could sell the ap as a fundraiser.
                      http://www.amazon.com/Daycare-Whispe...=doing+daycare

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                      • Daycaregranny
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • Nov 2013
                        • 56

                        #41
                        I might be the oddball here but I think my parents would be quit put off by me babysitting THEM in their private lives. My "duties" start when they arrive and end when they leave for the day. Would I feel horrible if one of my families had something like this happen? YES! It would be devastating! But would I be responsible? ABSOLUTELY NOT!! These children are theirs not mine. The children when not here are their responsibility.

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                        • nannyde
                          All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 7320

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Sugar Magnolia
                          I can't see how a daycare could be sued if a PARENT leaves the child in the car and walks away.

                          I also can't see how the daycare would be held responsible if they called both parents and got no reply, especially if they left a voicemail or text.

                          In regards to the current story out of Georgia......I would not want to be the teacher that didn't call. I'm sure that center hasn't had any new enrollments. I'm not saying at all the daycare was responsible....the guilt must be unbearable.

                          My cpr trainer once told me that the #1 reason people who are trained in cpr don't attempt it in a life threatening situation is because they are afraid of being sued. Does fear of litigation really trump morality now?
                          Morality? What do you mean? (I truly don't get what you mean. Not debating... at all)
                          http://www.amazon.com/Daycare-Whispe...=doing+daycare

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                          • SignMeUp
                            Family ChildCare Provider
                            • Jan 2014
                            • 1325

                            #43
                            Originally posted by nannyde
                            It's time to develop a phone ap that is gps connected to the parents phone and when the gps doesn't sense.the phone arriving at the daycare by x time it sends a text to the parents phone.
                            Now THAT there is genius

                            It should be required. Like Parenting 101 ::
                            Last edited by SignMeUp; 07-09-2014, 06:52 PM. Reason: clarity

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                            • nannyde
                              All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 7320

                              #44
                              Originally posted by SignMeUp
                              Now THAT there is genius

                              It should be required. Like Parenting 101 ::
                              ;-) I hope Michael sees this thread. You never know. He might know people who make apps.
                              http://www.amazon.com/Daycare-Whispe...=doing+daycare

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                              • SignMeUp
                                Family ChildCare Provider
                                • Jan 2014
                                • 1325

                                #45
                                Originally posted by nannyde
                                ;-) I hope Michael sees this thread. You never know. He might know people who make apps.
                                Wouldn't it be awesome? Child Safety from the brain of a Child Care Provider!

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