DCB Injury

[craftymissbeth]

I am glad it seems to be working out.... BUT this is a GIANT red flag for me.

Why isn't it an issue until he's a teenager? Why isn't something on his medical records? Why didn't Mom mention this? What will her reaction be WHEN big bro leaves a mark while they are in your care? (or he falls and gets hurt)

If I were you, I would be advertising and interviewing to replace.

She reminds me of somebody elses munchausen Mom, in all honesty.

I agree. The whole situation has me on red alert with this family. At pick up I'm going to talk to her more about it.... specifically because if there's any possibility that his chest could be injured by something minor then we need to separate the boys. I'm not willing to leave it to chance that the older one is going to figure it out. AND if there is an issue WHY IN THE WORLD do they let their kids rough house?! I saw a picture on dcd's Facebook of all 4 of their boys wrapped around each other in a big ball and the caption says "guess I shouldn't let them watch so much UFC with me"

[mia]

WOW..... :hug: glade its a little better now for you.... how scary.... I would definitely be documenting everything....

Speaking of .......
Would anyone be willing to share their documenting forms.... for I think that I may need to start doing this as well... I just write quite notes on how the day goes and if parents state how the night went..... The reason I'm asking is I feel that I have a client that may some day do this same thing.... So it would be great to have a better lay out / format then what I do now.....

Any sharing would be great.... for it may also help someone else that is unsure....

Thanks

[craftymissbeth]

WOW..... :hug: glade its a little better now for you.... how scary.... I would definitely be documenting everything....

Speaking of .......
Would anyone be willing to share their documenting forms.... for I think that I may need to start doing this as well... I just write quite notes on how the day goes and if parents state how the night went..... The reason I'm asking is I feel that I have a client that may some day do this same thing.... So it would be great to have a better lay out / format then what I do now.....

Any sharing would be great.... for it may also help someone else that is unsure....

Thanks

For injuries I'm using my state form

http://www.kdheks.gov/bcclr/application_packets_and_forms/child_care/CCL_028_Notification_of_Injury_Illness_Critical_Incident.pdf

You could probably use that if your state doesn't have one or create one similar in Word. For everything else I'm going to jot down in a regular notebook or in Word.

[Blackcat31]

My concern is mom's seemly bizarre behavior going from overly concerned mom who is in the ER to a self admitted "crazy mom" who had level enough head AFTER leaving he ER to do a little shopping????

I would be having a face to face discussion with this mom about her accusing you of something.... I mean that is pretty serious and for her to put you in such a stressful situation by saying that it happened on your watch without even acknowledging that her children can be out of control and overly rough a majority of the time!!!!!

THAT would NOT fly here.....

I totally understand that things can and do happen at daycare but the way this whole thing went down warrants a sit down conference in my opinion.

She needs to be told that you take your business VERY seriously and professionally and that her lackadaisical attitude about the way her children behave is sad and not something you will continue working with if she is going to willy-nilly accuse you of something every time the kids get a red mark.

[mia]

My concern is mom's seemly bizarre behavior going from overly concerned mom who is in the ER to a self admitted "crazy mom" who had level enough head AFTER leaving he ER to do a little shopping????

I would be having a face to face discussion with this mom about her accusing you of something.... I mean that is pretty serious and for her to put you in such a stressful situation by saying that it happened on your watch without even acknowledging that her children can be out of control and overly rough a majority of the time!!!!!

THAT would NOT fly here.....

I totally understand that things can and do happen at daycare but the way this whole thing went down warrants a sit down conference in my opinion.

She needs to be told that you take your business VERY seriously and professionally and that her lackadaisical attitude about the way her children behave is sad and not something you will continue working with if she is going to willy-nilly accuse you of something every time the kids get a red mark.

I agree...

[mia]

For injuries I'm using my state form

http://www.kdheks.gov/bcclr/application_packets_and_forms/child_care/CCL_028_Notification_of_Injury_Illness_Critical_Incident.pdf

You could probably use that if your state doesn't have one or create one similar in Word. For everything else I'm going to jot down in a regular notebook or in Word.

Thank you .....sounds very similar to what I already use,,,,, Thanks again .....

[NoMoreJuice!]

Oh my

Oh my goodness...I am so sorry for you because I know how much you were freaking out during those hours when you didn't know what was going to happen. I had a similar incident with a girl a few years ago, and I have one piece of advice for you:

Wait two weeks, then term for something unrelated. This will happen again with an anxious/paranoid mom and it's going to cause you a LOT of stress. Better to have a little stress now than to risk losing your business later.

Also, (this is just my personal opinion) the dad letting them watch UFC is going to translate to big problems in your daycare. I had two boys whose dad was an MMA fighter and encouraged "rough play" as he called it, and they literally destroyed my home and hurt all the other children in it. I think that humans fighting each other for money is literally the dumbest thing society has ever come up with. I realize humans came up with this concept thousands of years ago, but I think it's time to evolve.

Ok, back on track. Anyway, big sigh of relief for you, and I wish you luck with this family in the future. :hug:

[craftymissbeth]

My concern is mom's seemly bizarre behavior going from overly concerned mom who is in the ER to a self admitted "crazy mom" who had level enough head AFTER leaving he ER to do a little shopping????

I would be having a face to face discussion with this mom about her accusing you of something.... I mean that is pretty serious and for her to put you in such a stressful situation by saying that it happened on your watch without even acknowledging that her children can be out of control and overly rough a majority of the time!!!!!

THAT would NOT fly here.....

I totally understand that things can and do happen at daycare but the way this whole thing went down warrants a sit down conference in my opinion.

She needs to be told that you take your business VERY seriously and professionally and that her lackadaisical attitude about the way her children behave is sad and not something you will continue working with if she is going to willy-nilly accuse you of something every time the kids get a red mark.

She went shopping before she noticed the mark it totally could have happened there.

I'm going to talk to her again. I'm documenting every. single. time. either of them touch each other. It's already happened twice. It's difficult for me going from a group of kids that I have "trained" so well and then throwing in two siblings who aren't yet "trained" in what I expect of them.

They're getting there, though. I didn't put on the 3 yo's backwards pj's today and he only tried to strip once... took his shirt off and I gave him the choice of sitting in TO or putting it back on. He chose TO for about 30 seconds and then put it back on. He also goes to TO with no problem now. btw, the stripping tantrum occurred because he was told not to touch the baby's PNP.

Now that dcb3 is well on his way to non-heathen-like behavior I'm noticing all of dcb4's issues. Thank goodness he's going to kindly in the fall. I'd like to keep them if I can because the money I get from dcb4 from now until school starts will pay for my vacation with ds to Disney World

[craftymissbeth]

Oh I got off track... I was also going to add that this morning at drop off I again told mom that there's no way it happened here and reexplained how I would have seen any marks at 12 when he was changed. She didn't even acknowledge it she just said "I was racking my brain and trying to think if he'd fallen at all while I had him. We went to walmart and then cuddled in the recliner watching a movie until we picked up the older boys". Uh, ok but it STILL didn't happen here. It's so hard to believe this wild child sat still for 3 hours while all of that went on

[KIDZRMYBIZ]

Thank goodness this didn't turn into a big mess for you. I think we've all had major stressors like this at one time or another, and only another provider understands the massive anxiety it causes.

I'm sure this will be forgotten in no time, but like PPs suggested I think you should look the kids over and keep careful documentation just in case.

I am always dumb-founded with instances involving kids that are 3 and older. Ask the kid what happened!!! They can talk, ya know, and they usually know what they're talking about!

[craftymissbeth]

Thank goodness this didn't turn into a big mess for you. I think we've all had major stressors like this at one time or another, and only another provider understands the massive anxiety it causes.

I'm sure this will be forgotten in no time, but like PPs suggested I think you should look the kids over and keep careful documentation just in case.

I am always dumb-founded with instances involving kids that are 3 and older. Ask the kid what happened!!! They can talk, ya know, and they usually know what they're talking about!

this guy talks up a storm but is complete gibberish ( to me). Maybe his parents understand him? But the 4 yo is with the 3 yo and myself most of the day. They could have asked him, I suppose.

[craftymissbeth]

So I was changing dcb and I checked out his chest. It looks totally fine... MAYBE a little swollen on one side of the bone and then there's the scratch in the middle. I said "oh man, bud, how did you get this ouchie?" ... not really saying it to him, but just thinking out loud. He very clearly said "my mama hurt me" and then dcb4 said "yeah my mom poked him too hard" the what did she do now?

So I asked "oh bummer, that stinks when that happens. How did she poke him too hard?"

Dcb4 says "she has too long fingernails and she accidentally poked him"

Ugh, I'm sick to my stomach now. I know you have to take what they say with a grain of salt which is why I didn't outright ask them in the first place, but they both said it was mom without me probing, kwim?

[Unregistered]

Family exceeds my drama limit.

I would start advertising.

[craftymissbeth]

Family exceeds my drama limit.

I would start advertising.

[Laurel]

I lost my post and don't have time to read others to see if this has been said. For next time, I'd make sure you have liability insurance (if you don't already). Mine pays for any medical bills for injuries the child sustains at my house and also pays court costs if I ever get accused of child abuse, etc.

Laurel