DCB Injury

[craftymissbeth]

They can speculate that it happened there but they can't prove it. That's why it's important to have their behavior documented, even weeks back, as much as you can remember.

The timeline of when he was with you to when his marks were red won't add up.

Document the time mom called you, etc.

State the facts only, don't speculate or give opinion.

Document that you spoke with mom on xxx occasions about the behavior.

You may get a visit from licensing if they try to blame you.

Try not to worry too much about it though, just cya and be prepared with your documentation. I know a lot is running through your mind but it will be fine!

As far as getting a bill do you have any sort of clause that says you will not be responsible for medical bills for accidents that happen on your property? This can't be proven to have happened on your property anyway so I don't see where it would be an issue. Mom brought him to the ER not you.

I don't have a clause like that because I don't think it would hold up in court. If someone WERE injured here I'd be responsible even if I have that in my contract.

[craftymissbeth]

I'm so sorry. What a headache!

I would document the whole day today in detail. Everything that the boys did, ate, early pick up, conversation with mom at pick up, phone call...

Since you said you didn't document previous behavior, I would go back and make some rough notes about behavior and discussions with mom about the behavior. You may not be able to put exact dates, but maybe do Week of March 17-21 and some random notes.

I am glad you emailed licensing. it's always best for them to hear your side before they hear from an irate parent. Covers your butt a little I would call them in the morning. I can't remember for sure, but I think you are in the same county as I am. If your assigned person is not available, ask to speak to any of the licensing/surveyor people.

Just in case the mom does say something at the ER that makes them suspicious or calls licensing and they want to check out her story, I would be prepared for a visit from licensing. I doubt it will go that far at all, but better safe than sorry. I would make sure your home is ready and that your paperwork is ready to be viewed.

Good luck. Try to relax. You know you didn't do anything wrong.

I'm a county over, I believe

I'm definitely going to write down as much as I can remember. Good thing I just had my annual inspection last week

[craftymissbeth]

And everyone, thank you so so much. I'm hoping it all just blows over, but I'm still worried.

[jenn]

If they tell the ER it happened here are they going to report me? Am I going to get the bill? How in the world do people go about proving that sort of thing? I know without a doubt it did not happen here but ultimately it's my word against theirs, kwim?

If it came down to your word against hers...

You are a professional, operating legally, have documentation of this accusation, contacted licensing prior to the mother, and other parents that are happy with the care you provide.

She has 2 out of control children and a story with a timeline that doesn't quite add up.

[CraftyMom]

If it came down to your word against hers...

You are a professional, operating legally, have documentation of this accusation, contacted licensing prior to the mother, and other parents that are happy with the care you provide.

She has 2 out of control children and a story with a timeline that doesn't quite add up.

Yeah, what she said!

[SilverSabre25]

how is this turning out? what a total crock, really.

How is a red mark over the sternum such a huge concern anyway? Does he have heart problems you haven't been told about?

This whole thing seems ridiculously bizarre. The timing is wrong, everything is wrong.

[craftymissbeth]

how is this turning out? what a total crock, really.

How is a red mark over the sternum such a huge concern anyway? Does he have heart problems you haven't been told about?

This whole thing seems ridiculously bizarre. The timing is wrong, everything is wrong.

I know! I'm trying to sleep but I'm just lying here turning it over in my mind. If a minor injury can cause major heart problems I should have known about that first thing. There is nothing on his health assessment... in fact, it says there are no issues at all.

I'm worried that the real reason they went to the ER is to document the injury so they can accuse me of hurting him.

Then again I've had 4 hours to think up all of the horrible things that are about to happen to me

She was supposed to call me back after the ER visit but she hasn't. They're scheduled to be here at 5:30 in the morning... if they do show up do I take him? I mean, obviously he needed to go to the ER for this major booboo... maybe he needs a day of rest

[SilverSabre25]

I know! I'm trying to sleep but I'm just lying here turning it over in my mind. If a minor injury can cause major heart problems I should have known about that first thing. There is nothing on his health assessment... in fact, it says there are no issues at all.

I'm worried that the real reason they went to the ER is to document the injury so they can accuse me of hurting him.

Then again I've had 4 hours to think up all of the horrible things that are about to happen to me

She was supposed to call me back after the ER visit but she hasn't. They're scheduled to be here at 5:30 in the morning... if they do show up do I take him? I mean, obviously he needed to go to the ER for this major booboo... maybe he needs a day of rest

Honestly? I would call or text mom right now and let her know that since you haven't heard from her, his attendance tomorrow is contingent on you getting a response from her about the injury and what the ER docs said.

Something like, "Hey, DCM, I know it's late but i wanted to check on DCB. I assume he's not coming tomorrow sine I haven't heard from you yet and this sounds like something that needs a day of recovery at home. Please let me know if I can expect you in the morning. Best wishes to DCB!"

Best case, the hospital told her to gtfo and stop wasting time and resources. Worst case, there IS a serious problem and she hasn't called because they are still there.

[Evansmom]

Honestly? I would call or text mom right now and let her know that since you haven't heard from her, his attendance tomorrow is contingent on you getting a response from her about the injury and what the ER docs said.

Something like, "Hey, DCM, I know it's late but i wanted to check on DCB. I assume he's not coming tomorrow sine I haven't heard from you yet and this sounds like something that needs a day of recovery at home. Please let me know if I can expect you in the morning. Best wishes to DCB!"

Best case, the hospital told her to gtfo and stop wasting time and resources. Worst case, there IS a serious problem and she hasn't called because they are still there.

I was going to say this.
And add, you need to get a clear answer from mom about possible heart conditions and what's going on there. If you were not told of injuries possibly leading to heart problems when he was enrolled I would personally consider terming. I'd wonder what she was trying to pull.

[sahm1225]

Honestly? I would call or text mom right now and let her know that since you haven't heard from her, his attendance tomorrow is contingent on you getting a response from her about the injury and what the ER docs said.

Something like, "Hey, DCM, I know it's late but i wanted to check on DCB. I assume he's not coming tomorrow sine I haven't heard from you yet and this sounds like something that needs a day of recovery at home. Please let me know if I can expect you in the morning. Best wishes to DCB!"

Best case, the hospital told her to gtfo and stop wasting time and resources. Worst case, there IS a serious problem and she hasn't called because they are still there.

I was going to say this.
And add, you need to get a clear answer from mom about possible heart conditions and what's going on there. If you were not told of injuries possibly leading to heart problems when he was enrolled I would personally consider terming. I'd wonder what she was trying to pull.

Totally agree with both of them.

An injury that required the ER AND the mom not contacting you, means the child needs a day to recover. Although, if I was in your shoes, I would want them to come the next day just so I could talk to the mom face to face.

[daycare]

I require every child that needs to seek medical treatment for any reason to have a doctors diagnosis and treatment plan before return. So this situation would require one.

You can then decide if you are willing to take the child on or not.

I feel for you that this situation got so out of hand. I hope things get better.

Hugs

[craftymissbeth]

So mom showed up this morning and said she was just being a "crazy mom" last night when she was trying to figure out what happened.

They went to Wal Mart, watched a movie, picked up the older brothers from wherever they were, and then she noticed it. yep, could have happened at any of those places.

I had her show me his chest. It's literally one tiny little scratch. Like half an inch. There's no red mark or swelling and I pointed that out to her. She said it's all pretty much gone now the hell?

Anyway, I told her I wasn't happy about not knowing about the chest issue and she said it's really nothing to worry about until he's a teenager :confused:

I'll be documenting like crazy from now on and I'm still going to cover my rear with this situation because I'm still nervous.

[MissAnn]

So mom showed up this morning and said she was just being a "crazy mom" last night when she was trying to figure out what happened.

They went to Wal Mart, watched a movie, picked up the older brothers from wherever they were, and then she noticed it. yep, could have happened at any of those places.

I had her show me his chest. It's literally one tiny little scratch. Like half an inch. There's no red mark or swelling and I pointed that out to her. She said it's all pretty much gone now the hell?

Anyway, I told her I wasn't happy about not knowing about the chest issue and she said it's really nothing to worry about until he's a teenager :confused:

I'll be documenting like crazy from now on and I'm still going to cover my rear with this situation because I'm still nervous.

Glad it worked out......but she put you through a lot of misery!!! That makes me mad! Wonder what the ER said to her? Have a great day......you deserve a great day!

[sahm1225]

Glad it worked out......but she put you through a lot of misery!!! That makes me mad! Wonder what the ER said to her? Have a great day......you deserve a great day!

Glad it turned out okay. Yes please document everything! It was incredibly ride for her to not call you after she was done at the ER. I'm guessing by the time the doctor came in to see them at the ER, that the HIGE red welt was already gone!

[daycarediva]

If it came down to your word against hers...

You are a professional, operating legally, have documentation of this accusation, contacted licensing prior to the mother, and other parents that are happy with the care you provide.

She has 2 out of control children and a story with a timeline that doesn't quite add up.

I am glad it seems to be working out.... BUT this is a GIANT red flag for me.

Why isn't it an issue until he's a teenager? Why isn't something on his medical records? Why didn't Mom mention this? What will her reaction be WHEN big bro leaves a mark while they are in your care? (or he falls and gets hurt)

If I were you, I would be advertising and interviewing to replace.

She reminds me of somebody elses munchausen Mom, in all honesty.