Why Do They Always Call Them Daycare Providers?

[MrsSteinel'sHouse]

me too!

Hey, on the other hand, they are saving their state a boatload of money. I wonder if they go after the illegal (over capacity; so not legally unlicensed) at all?

I would prefer WI relax their rules and actually enforce them instead of creating more and more and more of them, and enforcing so little.

See that is what gets me. I feel like all of the rules are upon those of us that volunteer to be licensed and they always tote that they are "making childcare safer in ohio" but don't have ANY regulations for unlicensed except that they can have 6 with 3 under 2. That is it. I just feel like there is a glaring gap of care.
Now I am talking about type B providers. There are also type A but very few people do that. And then centers are licensed.

[Heidi]

I just think it is morally and ethically wrong to single out ANYONE on assistance and give alternate rules for them....yet no one can treat them differently....kwim?

WE can't discriminate but the state can??? :confused:

yeah...I can understand the "we only spend our state money on regulated care" part. I can't understand the "we only regulate if you HAVE state funded kids" part. I can even see that one would have to be WILLING to accept state funding...as long as your full rate is paid, but it doesn't make sense to lose your license because you lost a daycare family.:confused:

[SilverSabre25]

This is what pissed me off when the state took over in January. Yes, if you do not have state assisted kids in care they "can" pull your license. (6 mo to find another)
So in other words in Ohio, only if your kid is state funded do you deserve to have a licensed provider. Pissed me off!! I was told that our only function is to take state supported kids. Not to provide all children with regulated care.

I wonder if that is partly county based. I wasn't told anything of the sort when i was asking a couple years ago. In fact i said specifically that I did NOT want to take Title XX, and they didn't seem to care. I *couldd* get registered with Action for children to get some of the same benefits of licensure, and yet still be under similar/the same rules. It's all very complicatd. And kind of dumb.

I know that in Franklin you can't get a Type A license. Some counties do issue them but I don't know where.

[Play Care]

Yes Silver because you are in Ohio, right? They will only license you now if you have state funded children in your care. I honestly believe that Ohio needs to establish a childcare registry that registers unlicensed homes and requires the basics to keep kids- CPR/ First Aid training, fingerprinting on all adults in the home, basic 6 hour course. I feel like their is a huge gap in care that is not being addressed between licensed and non-licensed.

oh and I am licensed in Ohio. To me it is worth the licensing. I feel like that is what covers my butt. I follow licensing, they inspect me etc. I do personally think that jumping through all of the hoops does make me a better provider. I know I would slack on some things if I didn't think, the state could be pulling into my driveway.

If you CAN'T get licensed then that's something else entirely. In my state it is easy to be licensed. In fact, we can only have TWO kids total if we are not, and there may even be some hour limits (or that may be in the works) but we have a LOT of illegal providers calling themselves "day cares" so I am touchy about it.

[MrsSteinel'sHouse]

I wonder if that is partly county based. I wasn't told anything of the sort when i was asking a couple years ago. In fact i said specifically that I did NOT want to take Title XX, and they didn't seem to care. I *couldd* get registered with Action for children to get some of the same benefits of licensure, and yet still be under similar/the same rules. It's all very complicatd. And kind of dumb.

I know that in Franklin you can't get a Type A license. Some counties do issue them but I don't know where.

The state took over in January, supposedly to make all of the counties follow the same structure and regulations.

[NeedaVaca]

If you CAN'T get licensed then that's something else entirely. In my state it is easy to be licensed. In fact, we can only have TWO kids total if we are not, and there may even be some hour limits (or that may be in the works) but we have a LOT of illegal providers calling themselves "day cares" so I am touchy about it.

Well in my state I can be legally unlicensed and I definitely own and operate a Daycare I am a Daycare Provider

[momofboys]

I wonder if that is partly county based. I wasn't told anything of the sort when i was asking a couple years ago. In fact i said specifically that I did NOT want to take Title XX, and they didn't seem to care. I *couldd* get registered with Action for children to get some of the same benefits of licensure, and yet still be under similar/the same rules. It's all very complicatd. And kind of dumb.

I know that in Franklin you can't get a Type A license. Some counties do issue them but I don't know where.

I am in Madison County just west of our fair capital & when I had someone from my county come out (this was a few years back) to see if I was interested in becoming licensed or registered nothing was mentioned about having to take title XX, in fact I recall her telling me it was my option & that I didn't need to. Of course that was in 2011 so things may have changed since then. In my county there are not very many licensed providers but TONS of providers.

[MrsSteinel'sHouse]

I am in Madison County just west of our fair capital & when I had someone from my county come out (this was a few years back) to see if I was interested in becoming licensed or registered nothing was mentioned about having to take title XX, in fact I recall her telling me it was my option & that I didn't need to. Of course that was in 2011 so things may have changed since then. In my county there are not very many licensed providers but TONS of providers.

Yup, that changed January of this year. I have gone years without a funded kidlet but now will have to keep one I want the food program and training and the title of licensed.

[spud912]

In regards to the original post, I don't care about titles (babysitter, daycare provider, child care provider, nanny, etc.). As long as you as a person are happy with what you do, who cares what you are called as long as it is not derogatory (and I mean derogatory in a non-politically correct way). It's the same as "sanitation worker vs garbage man." Who cares? There are good people with our same title and bad people!

The fact of the matter here is that there are no credentials you have to earn to become a "daycare provider." Teacher: you need credentials; doctor: credentials; nurse: credentials and so on and so on. If there are no credentials required, than in my mind anyone can call themselves a daycare provider if they want to. It doesn't guarantee anything. It is what it is.

I myself am legally unlicensed. If I were asked what my profession was, I would say "child care provider." I say that because by definition that is what I am. Nobody can say to me "I don't think you are because you haven't jumped through rings of fire and climbed Mount Everest" and to them I can say "there is nothing saying I have to do anything to become a child care provider and by definition that is what I am. I provide care to children....simple as that."

Now totally a different subject IMO, similar to Silver Sabre, I follow the requirements by my state to be legally unlicensed. I follow the correct ratios, I have obtained a business license, I was inspected by the fire department and I file taxes. Initially I was planning on becoming licensed (before I knew what it entailed) and I brought my home up to daycare licensing code, I obtained the proper amount of child care schooling (in addition to my Bachelor's degree), I obtained child care insurance, obtained the fingerprint clearance card, CPR certification, etc. Then I found out during a licensing class that in my particular suburb, they are no longer issuing licenses unless I have state paid clients. So there goes that idea.....

Either way, the fact that I am legally unlicensed does not make me any less of a child care provider than those who have a license. Some of them may be doing a better job at this profession than me and some may be doing remarkably worse. We are all still the same....a daycare/child care provider.

[melilley]

(NOT singling you out personally.... your comment just made me think)

.....but in this same line of thinking, how come so many providers then want to be called a teacher when they haven't taken any tests saying they are....

Some of my dcp's and dck's call my house school. I think it's kind of odd, cute, but odd since I'm nothing even close to a school...

[wonderfullisa]

Is the Child Dev 101 a new rule? I was just certified last summer (now licensed in Jan) and did not have to take this.
Also, even in June I was told that the purpose of certification was to care for state assisted families. I dont think it has ever been strongly enforced.

[Cradle2crayons]

I *do* meet state licensing requirements though. I can care for up to six children, no more than 3 under age 2, and my own kids count until I am six. I can do this without a license. That *is* meeting state requirements.

I go above and beyond of course, but I *do* meet those minimum requirements.

Same here... I have. Bachelors but not in ECE.. Mine is in nursing with a Specialty in pediatrics. Personally I don't think I'm any less qualified to take care of kids just because I don't have an ECE Degree... Even though I took hours and hours of pediatric based classes...

I'm legally unlicensed... However I still consider myself a daycare. No I don't get inspections even though I take state pay children.

Personally, I don't get really hung up if someone calls me a babysitter or anything else as long as it's said with respect.

I enjoy being unlicensed and won't have it any other way. I do have some rules I follow because I take state pay children though.

I don't think just because someone isn't licensed but instead is legally unlicensed that should take away from the fact they are a daycare provider.

I do have some issues with those operating illegally though. Don't get me started.

[TaylorTots]

Me too! I am legally unlicensed currently. I follow all the rules not because I have to but because I want to! I still feel as thou I am a daycare provider.

I do agree on illegal "daycare operators"

I agree too. As a fellow Iowan, I am legally non-registered. I follow all the rules and regs. And I cringe hearing about other providers in my area running illegal businesses in their homes with 9+ children and no registration at all. Mostly it kills me because its' parents that I know that complain to me "we have no other option - we need preschool transportation."

Uhm, you put your child in a home with way to many children and someone not following any rules (or insurance?) - and let them transport them in their vehicle to get to a preschool program? Goodness. Priorities people.

Also I am a teacher, passed my tests and my teaching license is current. So I am a "daycare teacher" according to my DCPs **

[MrsSteinel'sHouse]

Is the Child Dev 101 a new rule? I was just certified last summer (now licensed in Jan) and did not have to take this.
Also, even in June I was told that the purpose of certification was to care for state assisted families. I dont think it has ever been strongly enforced.

You (and your back up) had to have the 6 hr course offered by your county, right? Everyone has to have that. My dd will have her teaching license (certified infant through 4th grade) and still has to take it to be my back up.
When I went to the state wide meeting in November it sounded like they are going to start enforcing this rule. (must have state paid)