Why Do They Always Call Them Daycare Providers?

[Heidi]

Yes, but I'll give you 100:1 odds that the journalists neither know, nor care, about the details or the ins and outs of our business. We don't know theirs, after all. Furthermore, i bet that 99% of their readers neither know, nor care, the details of the daycare world.

If "we" (in general) are going to fight for the respect to be called daycare providers rather than babysitters, than the term is going to be misapplied.

And I wasn't offended I like to play devil's advocate.

True...but we don't need to know about their job. If they are writing a story about ours, they should have at least some basic facts.

Of course, I've never, ever read a headline like "local daycare provider gets a new swingset". It's only the bad stories, anyway. ::

[Play Care]

I *do* meet state licensing requirements though. I can care for up to six children, no more than 3 under age 2, and my own kids count until I am six. I can do this without a license. That *is* meeting state requirements.

I go above and beyond of course, but I *do* meet those minimum requirements.

I should have been more clear - I mean actually holding a license, not just meeting the requirements.
Admittedly it could just be my own issue. I find I'm getting crabby in my old age.

[SilverSabre25]

I should have been more clear - I mean actually holding a license, not just meeting the requirements.
Admittedly it could just be my own issue. I find I'm getting crabby in my old age.

YOU try getting licensed in OH. It's a thing pretty much no one does. It takes about three transfers to even find someone who knows what you're talking about if you call the Dept of Job and Family Services.

I hold all the license I legally need to. And I have more education than many of the other people running daycares around here. Am I really less qualified to be a daycare provider, because I haven't taken Child Development 101 and I don't have a first aid kit on every floor of the house and I don't follow all 31 steps for a diaper change? Do my Bachelor's Degree in Child Development, my 6.5 years of parenting, and my 4 years of daycare experience count LESS than someone who barely knows what they're doing but have a piece of paper saying they are "licensed" to do daycare?

I just fail to see what it even matters in the grand scheme of things.

[Play Care]

YOU try getting licensed in OH. It's a thing pretty much no one does. It takes about three transfers to even find someone who knows what you're talking about if you call the Dept of Job and Family Services.

I hold all the license I legally need to. And I have more education than many of the other people running daycares around here. Am I really less qualified to be a daycare provider, because I haven't taken Child Development 101 and I don't have a first aid kit on every floor of the house and I don't follow all 31 steps for a diaper change? Do my Bachelor's Degree in Child Development, my 6.5 years of parenting, and my 4 years of daycare experience count LESS than someone who barely knows what they're doing but have a piece of paper saying they are "licensed" to do daycare?

I just fail to see what it even matters in the grand scheme of things.

I don't have to - I'm licensed in MY state.
As I said in my OP, for me it's a name issue. If I have to jump though multiple hoops, which include surprise visits and inspections, and now, even being told what I can do on my "break," then I want it known that I'm not just "babysitting." I WISH I were, because it would be so much easier.

[MrsSteinel'sHouse]

I'm legally unlicensed. Am I a daycare provider?

Yes Silver because you are in Ohio, right? They will only license you now if you have state funded children in your care. I honestly believe that Ohio needs to establish a childcare registry that registers unlicensed homes and requires the basics to keep kids- CPR/ First Aid training, fingerprinting on all adults in the home, basic 6 hour course. I feel like their is a huge gap in care that is not being addressed between licensed and non-licensed.

oh and I am licensed in Ohio. To me it is worth the licensing. I feel like that is what covers my butt. I follow licensing, they inspect me etc. I do personally think that jumping through all of the hoops does make me a better provider. I know I would slack on some things if I didn't think, the state could be pulling into my driveway.

[SilverSabre25]

Yes Silver because you are in Ohio, right? They will only license you now if you have state funded children in your care. I honestly believe that Ohio needs to establish a childcare registry that registers unlicensed homes and requires the basics to keep kids- CPR/ First Aid training, fingerprinting on all adults in the home, basic 6 hour course. I feel like their is a huge gap in care that is not being addressed between licensed and non-licensed.

I heard that they are working on tightening up the regulations. They are completely silent on the timeline though.

Here in franklin county, no one cares. One of the other central OH providers on here actually tried to call and "file a report" once and no one even knew who she should talk to. She completely failed. There is NO oversight and no one cares about illegal providers and stuff. And yeah, I agree with you--it's TOO lax.

of course I"m also really grouchy that I have to take Child Development 101 in order to get licensed....I think my Bachelor's Degree ought to serve in it's stead but alas, it does not....

[Blackcat31]

Yes Silver because you are in Ohio, right? They will only license you now if you have state funded children in your care. I honestly believe that Ohio needs to establish a childcare registry that registers unlicensed homes and requires the basics to keep kids- CPR/ First Aid training, fingerprinting on all adults in the home, basic 6 hour course. I feel like their is a huge gap in care that is not being addressed between licensed and non-licensed.

OMG!

So what happens if you have state funded kids, enroll a couple more and then the family on assistance either stops using it or leaves your care....

Does that take AWAY your license then? or force you to have to term a couple of the others to make you legally unlicensed then?

To directly tie the license to whether or not you have state assisted kids is wrong on so many levels. :confused:

[Heidi]

I heard that they are working on tightening up the regulations. They are completely silent on the timeline though.

Here in franklin county, no one cares. One of the other central OH providers on here actually tried to call and "file a report" once and no one even knew who she should talk to. She completely failed. There is NO oversight and no one cares about illegal providers and stuff. And yeah, I agree with you--it's TOO lax.

of course I"m also really grouchy that I have to take Child Development 101 in order to get licensed....I think my Bachelor's Degree ought to serve in it's stead but alas, it does not....

WI will easily accept your formal education in lieu of the licensing class. The class is only mandatory if you don't have other ECE credits.

[MrsSteinel'sHouse]

OMG!

So what happens if you have state funded kids, enroll a couple more and then the family on assistance either stops using it or leaves your care....

Does that take AWAY your license then? or force you to have to term a couple of the others to make you legally unlicensed then?

To directly tie the license to whether or not you have state assisted kids is wrong on so many levels. :confused:

This is what pissed me off when the state took over in January. Yes, if you do not have state assisted kids in care they "can" pull your license. (6 mo to find another)
So in other words in Ohio, only if your kid is state funded do you deserve to have a licensed provider. Pissed me off!! I was told that our only function is to take state supported kids. Not to provide all children with regulated care.

[Heidi]

This is what pissed me off when the state took over in January. Yes, if you do not have state assisted kids in care they "can" pull your license. (6 mo to find another)
So in other words in Ohio, only if your kid is state funded do you deserve to have a licensed provider. Pissed me off!! I was told that our only function is to take state supported kids. Not to provide all children with regulated care.

wow...just wow!

[MrsSteinel'sHouse]

I heard that they are working on tightening up the regulations. They are completely silent on the timeline though.

Here in franklin county, no one cares. One of the other central OH providers on here actually tried to call and "file a report" once and no one even knew who she should talk to. She completely failed. There is NO oversight and no one cares about illegal providers and stuff. And yeah, I agree with you--it's TOO lax.

of course I"m also really grouchy that I have to take Child Development 101 in order to get licensed....I think my Bachelor's Degree ought to serve in it's stead but alas, it does not....

As idiotic as the 6 hour class is at times, I do believe it is good in that it ensures that the obvious is stated and hopefully it is a basic rundown of do's and don'ts that should be followed so everyone has that "same page" basic care.

[MrsSteinel'sHouse]

When I first started 17 years ago there were 60 licensed providers in my county, now there are I believe 14 of us.

[Blackcat31]

When I first started 17 years ago there were 60 licensed providers in my county, now there are I believe 14 of us.

Well, atleast the families using assistance will have no trouble finding care.

I am speechless that you guys have that rule...

...and there is VERY little that actually renders me silent.

[Heidi]

Well, atleast the families using assistance will have no trouble finding care.

I am speechless that you guys have that rule...

...and there is VERY little that actually renders me silent.

me too!

Hey, on the other hand, they are saving their state a boatload of money. I wonder if they go after the illegal (over capacity; so not legally unlicensed) at all?

I would prefer WI relax their rules and actually enforce them instead of creating more and more and more of them, and enforcing so little.

[Blackcat31]

I just think it is morally and ethically wrong to single out ANYONE on assistance and give alternate rules for them....yet no one can treat them differently....kwim?

WE can't discriminate but the state can??? :confused: