Is There Anything I Can Say - or Just Keep Ignoring It

[Lucy]

I just want to clarify that I too am raising children without violence. I don't teach it, accept it, tolerate it, promote it, expose them to it or encourage it. I live in a violence free home.
Just because a child hit once in your home does NOT mean that you are raising them WITH violence. Instead of booting a child out of my care for violence I'd rather take the time and help this child learn the right way.

I stand by my post earlier which I'd be curious to see how many share the same philosophy...

Agree 100%. The aggression has to actually happen to enable you to correct it. And it happens. They are HUMAN kids. I am right there to see the frustration start building, and I take immediate steps to correct it. I, too, have a ZERO TOLERANCE for hitting, etc. That doesn't mean they get kicked out of my program if a 15 month old slaps the arm of a 2 year old because they want the same toy at the same time. That's how they learn. "Learn by your mistakes". How can you learn if you don't make the mistake in the first place? But that does NOT mean my program is "violent". I take offense to that insinuation. Believe me, I'm RIGHT there to help them use words instead of hitting. And if they are a little older and should know better, they WILL receive a consequence. Most of my kids were raised from very young and have been with me a long time. I have an 11 year old who I've had since 10 weeks old. I am always praised for how well-behaved the kids are. I take them on trips and have good comments all the time. The library lady loves us because we are quiet & respectful and clean up after ourselves. Other parents at the park will say "wow, you have some great kids there". etc, etc. That doesn't mean that they didn't push & shove a time or two when they were younger. I just don't see how that could NEVER happen unless the provider or an assistant were shadowing them and actually snatching up their little hand before it made contact with the other kid. That's all I can imagine for a completely hit or push free program is that an adult is on top of them 100% of their waking hours as is ready to just move them away if they think an altercation is going to happen. I don't know... just seems unnatural to me.

[Lucy]

I speak only for myself but as much as we all would like to live in your rose colored glasses world, we can't.

I read your policies nannyde. I also read the information you post on this forum (I am not on any other forum). In IMHO I don't really know how you stay in business. I am not talking about your rules, philosophies etc. I am talking about how these so called parents let YOU call the shots. Letting YOU make the decisions on how to raise THEIR child. IE feeding, what diapers and wipes to buy, etc. How can these parents let a complete stranger , regardless of how long you known them, rule over their parenting job. I also find disturbing is that these parents agree to not go to the area where their child plays and at least see and meet their child's friends! That is what is ridiculous. But I totally blame the parents for allowing it.

As for the child who allergy is severe. I totally respect the fact that you are taking precautions for this child's life. However what does this child do in the outside world? Does he become a bubble boy? This boy needs to have one on one care if his life is in danger by the whiff of perfume.

IMO your "policy" about this child is just another strict command to take complete charge over everything.

You said my exact thoughts. Thank you.

[Lucy]

"I have clients attending who I have worked for for over six years. One for nearly five. One for four. One for 3.5 years. (you can see this is the truth by looking at the age progression of the children in my photos). These kids are still HERE attending FULL TIME."

OMG, I have one for 11 years, one for 7, one for 6, sib of the 7 yr old who is now 2.5, another 2.5 and his sib both from babies.... and the list goes on. I started 16 yrs ago and my very first girl was 10 mos and stayed till age 9, another girl stayed from 7 mos till age 7 and still comes occasionally with her two sibs. I have long-term clients galore. And every one of them has had their moments of being in a bad mood and acting out. I correct it over time, and it goes away. Their parents are amazed how well-behaved they are for me. But I let them be human and have their little hiccups. It's a part of normal development.

"They have access to not one but two unnanounced State Inspections where I received 100 percent compliance both times. They are copied and given to them at the first interview. That's an amazing gift to them and the smart ones recognize how unique it is to find care where the provider meets five hundred plus points of compliance on any given day unnanounced TWICE".


I've passed every inspection (two a year) with flying colors for 16 years, thank you.

Ok, 3 posts in a row, sorry!!!!

[DancingQueen]

I agree that some have been rude to Nan - but i find her equally rude insinuating that I tolerate violence in my daycare. Were not her exact words but she eluded to it repeatedly by stating

I think it's terribly sad that the idea of raising kids without violence (defined by me as hitting, shoving, kicking, hair pulling, slapping, slamming, and biting) is just impossible to do.

That's so sad to me. It breaks my heart to think that someone as experienced and educated as you are believes that violence in young children is as inevitable as puberty in teens.

What has our world come to

[laundrymom]

well I have to hand it to Nannyde,.. I havent recieved 100 percent on every inspection,... I must admit,..
in the last 21 years, Ive had normally a right up every year, the latest was my water temp,.. 121 degrees, instead of 120. before that,.. I had perfume on the top shelf of my medicine cabinet, and ivory bar soap in my tub,.. I got busted for having cleaning supplies out.
I also have been cited for not having a tb test for my husband last year, he had spinal surgery done 3 weeks prior to the date the previous test expired, the inspection took place 3 1/2 weeks from his surgery. NO I was NOT going to make him go to the health dept, get a tb test, walk, drive, or otherwise injur himself for a silly test,.. he had it the day after his 6 week well surgery visit. All is good. I also didnt have a physical on file, drug test on file, or tb test on file for my son who lives AT COLLEGE, not in the home. However, since he has an address here, I should have gotten that anyway. I did, 2 days after the surprise inspection. I have been cited for silly things I feel,... like, not requiring the parents to show me birth certificates,... For all but one of the kids Ive had in the last 12 years, I have visited in the hospital,.. I know who they are, who their parents are, and that they arent kidnapped, brought to another state and being passed off as someone else. I also was late on my fingerprints because the lady at city hall didnt know how to do them and it took submitting 3 sets, 3 weeks apart to get a good set. Thus making them late for my inspector to get the results prior to my surprise visit.

all in all though, I put my hands together for Nannyde,.. I couldnt possibly get 100 %. Ive tried, and even when I think Ive gotten it,.. nope. They find something.

"I have clients attending who I have worked for for over six years. One for nearly five. One for four. One for 3.5 years. (you can see this is the truth by looking at the age progression of the children in my photos). These kids are still HERE attending FULL TIME."

OMG, I have one for 11 years, one for 7, one for 6, sib of the 7 yr old who is now 2.5, another 2.5 and his sib both from babies.... and the list goes on. I started 16 yrs ago and my very first girl was 10 mos and stayed till age 9, another girl stayed from 7 mos till age 7 and still comes occasionally with her two sibs. I have long-term clients galore. And every one of them has had their moments of being in a bad mood and acting out. I correct it over time, and it goes away. Their parents are amazed how well-behaved they are for me. But I let them be human and have their little hiccups. It's a part of normal development.

"They have access to not one but two unnanounced State Inspections where I received 100 percent compliance both times. They are copied and given to them at the first interview. That's an amazing gift to them and the smart ones recognize how unique it is to find care where the provider meets five hundred plus points of compliance on any given day unnanounced TWICE".


I've passed every inspection (two a year) with flying colors for 16 years, thank you.

Ok, 3 posts in a row, sorry!!!!

[SilverSabre25]

really? where? just curious as theres no such thing here . latex free gloves yes but not the whole school.

my childrens schools (3 diff ones) will tend to specific allergies mostly food allergies but thats it.

tho i must say that here in my area most parents are or have gone to homeschooling their kids.

When I was in school, there was a girl a few years behind me with a severe latex allergy. Each school she was in was a latex-free school--no latex gloves, balloons, band-aids, nothing latex. My niece's school has a student with this allergy now and is a latex-free zone. MANY elementary schools have nut-free classrooms, and I have heard of nut-free schools entirely (same with summer camps, daycare centers, etc). I have heard of one scent-free classroom in an area school.

Most food and environmental allergies are not that serious, this is true. But some few are very, VERY touchy and even being in the same room with the allergen can cause an attack--and if it's anaphylactic, then one attack can be fatal.

[laundrymom]

same with flights, I have a friend whos daughter had the peanut thing, sure enough, peanut free flight, someone had brought some in their bag, opened it, Kinley smelled it, said Momma there is peanuts here, started weezing, they emergency landed, emt's and ambulance met them on runway,.. and made it to the hosp in time,.... now she is 14,.. allergy had relaxed, she had tests ran at the hosp,.. steps from the er,.. found out she outgrew the peanut allergy,.. asked for a bite of peanut butter, because her whole life all she could do was see someone else eat it in a different room than her,..took a bite,.. all prepared to be happy she could finally eat it... poor girl hates it, . but she is no longer allergic.

When I was in school, there was a girl a few years behind me with a severe latex allergy. Each school she was in was a latex-free school--no latex gloves, balloons, band-aids, nothing latex. My niece's school has a student with this allergy now and is a latex-free zone. MANY elementary schools have nut-free classrooms, and I have heard of nut-free schools entirely (same with summer camps, daycare centers, etc). I have heard of one scent-free classroom in an area school.

Most food and environmental allergies are not that serious, this is true. But some few are very, VERY touchy and even being in the same room with the allergen can cause an attack--and if it's anaphylactic, then one attack can be fatal.

[DCMomOf3]

i think nannyde is respectfully asking everyone to drop it. no sense beating a dead horse....

Yes, please. This is one no one will win, so I ask everyone to respect the differences, what works for some and what works for others and let it rest.

[MommyMuffin]

Hi aunt wee wee!!! .

HAHAHAH...yeah yeah I know I am easily amused and childlike but this really made me laugh!!!