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'Personally, I think OP started this thread so this conversation would get heated....'
Really? Yes, I was looking to be entertained by a fight by a bunch of strangers, I am a little too busy for that.
No I posted it because I wanted to hear if my feelings on it were the norm and to have a more educated opinion to offer to my friend. The conversation got heated because people that love their animals and feel passionate about them were expressing their opinions, which is fine. I personally have only had one interaction with a dog of this variety, and it was not a good one. I did not want to base my advice on that, as I know many people think they are wonderful pets.
That all being said, I don't think people should keep their pets out with daycare kids. Both kids and pets are unpredictable and I don't think daycare providers should risk losing their pets because of an inappropriate action by a child. Nor should they risk a child getting hurt by an inappropriate reaction by an animal.
As far as the slow loris,
, I would not approach it based on its' appearance, I would do my homework first and find out about it as it is a wild animal.
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Question for you, do you have a pet and if you do, do you keep your pet up to date on all their shots and exams? I keep my cat up to date on all the required shots and have records and proof to show parents for just that reason, for liability and for having to have a pet put down. If she nips a child, which she never has, but if she did, parents know that she has had her shots and is healthy. They can not say put your pet down just because she nipped their child and if they take me to court over it, I HAVE the proof to say that she had her shots and I am doing what I am supposed to do, by law. But my biggy is about his whole post thing is How is a child supposed to learn how to be,behave, and treat a animal if they are not taught by someone, if not by the parent. Are we not as providers supposed to help the children learn things and isn't it something we should bring up to them while helping them learn about animals on how to treat a animal,and show them how if you have a pet that you can trust to be around your kids and if your right there with them to teach them how to act around a animal,to show them, it helps them learn. Even if that is the only time you allow the kids around the animal. I guess I have just seen a few kids become so afraid of a dog or cat just because they have not been around one and no one has ever talked to them or taught them about pets and how to act around one, so they do not know what to do when they do come in contact with one.
I know, we do as providers have a tough job, one that we really get no Thank you's for from some parents or society. We are limited in what we can and can not do as far as disciplining them and most of us are doing for the kids what their parents should be teaching them. We are caring for a human being,not just pushing papers in a office. I wish society would recognize daycare providers and acknowledge what a great job we do as with any other person out in the work force.
So it seems like unfortunately we do have to teach the kids things that maybe their parents don't want or have the time to teach them at home.
I guess the pet thing is just one area that I feel is important to tackle with kids so that they do know how react to one and not be afraid of one and not be kind to one. So don't feel I am saying anything bad about anyone who doesn't feel the same as I do, it is just my thinking on how I handle issues on how I handle my daycare. Everyone does things the way they think is right, so no judgment by me, just was expressing my own thoughts. Hope you all have a great day.
Sorry, did not want to start a fight here or anything, just feel strongly about the subject. I do just get carried away on things and seem to ramble on and on, so I will not say anything more on the subject, so I apologize,just take my posts as a person just rambling on just expressing her own thoughts. Nothing meant to make anyone feel I was starting anything.Comment
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Yes, really.'Personally, I think OP started this thread so this conversation would get heated....'
Really? Yes, I was looking to be entertained by a fight by a bunch of strangers, I am a little too busy for that.
No I posted it because I wanted to hear if my feelings on it were the norm and to have a more educated opinion to offer to my friend. The conversation got heated because people that love their animals and feel passionate about them were expressing their opinions, which is fine. I personally have only had one interaction with a dog of this variety, and it was not a good one. I did not want to base my advice on that, as I know many people think they are wonderful pets.
That all being said, I don't think people should keep their pets out with daycare kids. Both kids and pets are unpredictable and I don't think daycare providers should risk losing their pets because of an inappropriate action by a child. Nor should they risk a child getting hurt by an inappropriate reaction by an animal.
As far as the slow loris,, I would not approach it based on its' appearance, I would do my homework first and find out about it as it is a wild animal.
NOT once did you say that in your post(s). (the bolded part)
You said "As providers, what are your thoughts?". Why not just say you want to know if YOUR personal feelings are the norm.
Also, the way your post reads you are making a point of stating that your friend is concerned but again you have still NOT answered the questions about your friends provider and whether she did or didn't notify parents before getting this dog and whether or not she (the provider) has always been in the dog fostering business.
As a matter of fact, you haven't mentioned your friend again in any of the other posts (that I remember) so that is where my doubt about your intentions comes in.
Also curious as to why this was all done anonymously? I definitely don't feel this is a topic that needs to be discussed in secret.
If you wanted to have a discussion about pit bulls or pets in daycare, then why not just say that???
Logging out to post something as unregistered gives me the impression that this wasn't just an innocent discussion topic that you wanted to about/discuss.
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I agree. I don't think she should be concerned that a pitbull specifically is around her kid, but should be concerned that this provider is bringing dogs with unknown history around her kid. As I think the provider is doing a great thing by fostering these animals, if she truly cares about them and wants to give them a second chance she needs to keep them away from her daycare kids. There are too many unknowns and bad possibilities. One thing that wasn't mentioned and I'm curious, did your friend know that this provider was fostering dogs? Or is this a new thing? Did she notify the families ahead of time before making this change? I am honestly surprised she is allowed to foster and have the dogs out with the children. That seems like something a fostering program would not allow.'Personally, I think OP started this thread so this conversation would get heated....'
Really? Yes, I was looking to be entertained by a fight by a bunch of strangers, I am a little too busy for that.
No I posted it because I wanted to hear if my feelings on it were the norm and to have a more educated opinion to offer to my friend. The conversation got heated because people that love their animals and feel passionate about them were expressing their opinions, which is fine. I personally have only had one interaction with a dog of this variety, and it was not a good one. I did not want to base my advice on that, as I know many people think they are wonderful pets.
That all being said, I don't think people should keep their pets out with daycare kids. Both kids and pets are unpredictable and I don't think daycare providers should risk losing their pets because of an inappropriate action by a child. Nor should they risk a child getting hurt by an inappropriate reaction by an animal.
As far as the slow loris,, I would not approach it based on its' appearance, I would do my homework first and find out about it as it is a wild animal.Comment
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LOTS of other threads about dogs in daycare, big dogs, and pit bulls in daycare
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I have not read all of the replies on this but I just thought that it was kind of a coincidence that this post was here as I was sitting down to read my new daycare liability insurance policy.
On it, it has a section titled "certain animal exclusion"
I read the list of dogs and the first one listed on there is PIT BULL or any kind of Bull Terrier.
The list goes on excluding, german shepards, Chows, doberman, bull mastiffs and etc.
The funny part is that of all the dogs listed on the exclusion page I have been bitten by every kind of dog mentioned BUT a pit bull.Comment
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Question for you, do you have a pet and if you do, do you keep your pet up to date on all their shots and exams? I keep my cat up to date on all the required shots and have records and proof to show parents for just that reason, for liability and for having to have a pet put down. If she nips a child, which she never has, but if she did, parents know that she has had her shots and is healthy. They can not say put your pet down just because she nipped their child and if they take me to court over it, I HAVE the proof to say that she had her shots and I am doing what I am supposed to do, by law. But my biggy is about his whole post thing is How is a child supposed to learn how to be,behave, and treat a animal if they are not taught by someone, if not by the parent. Are we not as providers supposed to help the children learn things and isn't it something we should bring up to them while helping them learn about animals on how to treat a animal,and show them how if you have a pet that you can trust to be around your kids and if your right there with them to teach them how to act around a animal,to show them, it helps them learn. Even if that is the only time you allow the kids around the animal. I guess I have just seen a few kids become so afraid of a dog or cat just because they have not been around one and no one has ever talked to them or taught them about pets and how to act around one, so they do not know what to do when they do come in contact with one.
I know, we do as providers have a tough job, one that we really get no Thank you's for from some parents or society. We are limited in what we can and can not do as far as disciplining them and most of us are doing for the kids what their parents should be teaching them. We are caring for a human being,not just pushing papers in a office. I wish society would recognize daycare providers and acknowledge what a great job we do as with any other person out in the work force.
So it seems like unfortunately we do have to teach the kids things that maybe their parents don't want or have the time to teach them at home.
I guess the pet thing is just one area that I feel is important to tackle with kids so that they do know how react to one and not be afraid of one and not be kind to one. So don't feel I am saying anything bad about anyone who doesn't feel the same as I do, it is just my thinking on how I handle issues on how I handle my daycare. Everyone does things the way they think is right, so no judgment by me, just was expressing my own thoughts. Hope you all have a great day.
Sorry, did not want to start a fight here or anything, just feel strongly about the subject. I do just get carried away on things and seem to ramble on and on, so I will not say anything more on the subject, so I apologize,just take my posts as a person just rambling on just expressing her own thoughts. Nothing meant to make anyone feel I was starting anything.
You can feel strongly about something, that doesn't mean you're correct.
I strongly suggest you consult your cats veterinarian, a lawyer and/or even just google up on the internet.
If a new to walking toddler accidentally falls on your cat, and your cat out of reflex or defense of itself scratches or bites - you can be sued and your cat can be ordered put down.
If a child lies and simply SAYS your cat is vicious - your cat can be ordered put down and you are then at risk of losing your license.
If your cat actually does scratch or bite, any child or any reason - your cat can be ordered put down, you can lose your license and you can be sued for everything you own.
The cat having it's shots isn't worth a hill of beans in ANY of those situations, I'm not sure why you believe otherwise.
To repeat:
IF ANYONE SO MUCH AS ALLEDGES YOUR CAT DID ANYTHING - YOU CAN BE SUED AND THE CAT CAN BE ORDERED PUT TO SLEEP.
It's happened before all over this country and it will happen again because of people who think it's reasonable to mix animals and daycares.
You can certainly have your own opinions, but that doesn't mean experts or the law will agree with you. In this case, neither do. If you continue to allow access just be warned, you are putting both the cat and the children in your care at risk. If you're fine with that, that's your business as long as you are aware.
(current owner of four dogs, three cats, a chinchilla, a rabbit and a horse (off site) who are all members of this family and entitled to protection from my personal business ventures. It's not their job or mine to teach other peoples children about proper interaction any more than it's my job to teach firearm safety, swimming lessons, drivers, religious or sex education just because I have a safe full, water, vehicles, bibles and people of both sexes at my house).Comment
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Your experiences with breeds not on that list are astonishingly common.
Not saying it was what happened in your encounters as I remember discussing those before, but in general people usually equate appearances to safety. If Fido looks like the perky dog next door type instead of the macho Cujo, he must be safe. It gets more people into trouble than most would ever assume.Comment
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I have a teeny tiny chihuahua that is 8 inches tall and weighs 10 pounds. He is mean as heck. He came to our center once for a brief visit after grooming with my adult son. He was a little Jerk and never coming back. Great pet, loves family, despises strangers.
Pit bull? Never ever ever in million trillion gazillion years. Want one as a pet? Super, but as a parent, I would not even consider enrolling my child if there was a pit bull there.
ASKING FOR TROUBLE!Comment
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I posted as unregistered, because if the provider is on this forum, I don't want her to think I am attacking her.
People that sign up know that she has her own dog, but the fostering is new. The one specific parent that I am talking about was not notified she would be fostering until she saw the dog out with the kids.
Not sure what else to say, but I need to get back to my daycare kids.Comment
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Hey! Don't bring my dog into this
Stephen King said he SPECIFICALLY choose to use a Saint Bernard to play the role of Cujo BECUASE their normal temperament and demeanor are the EXACT opposite of the behavior of Cujo (a rabid dog).....unfortunately now the breed carries that stereotype.
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BUUUUUT, because of his large size (he is 8 months in the photo) I would never ever have him be around a small child.
Heck, he even knocks grown men to the ground just by wagging his tail.... He currently weighs 215lbs but thinks he is a lap dog.
He might also be the most docile dog ever, but his teeth ARE large and IF, he ever did decide to bite, nip or grasp onto someone with those teeth, I can only imagine how damaging it could be.
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I agree with Willow. That is not ok. She needed to be notified of the change and if she is uncomfortable she may need to find other care. I would also talk to the organization she is fostering through because she may be breaking a rule by having the dogs out around the daycare kids.Comment
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Funny that ANY bull terrier would be listed. I could be wrong, but I have NEVER met a Bull Terrier or Miniature Bull Terrier that was anything other than pleasant, happy, friendly. I have never before heard the purebred Bull Terrier or Miniature Bull Terrier lumped in with the generic "pit-bull" in any conversation. Maybe I have just missed it, but I have also never heard of any attack by a purebred Bull Terrier or Mini Bull Terrier.
Does anyone have any knowledge of these dogs being included in "dangerous" lists? Has anyone here heard of one of these dogs frequently attacking humans? http://www.akc.org/breeds/bull_terrier/index.cfmComment
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