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  • Willow
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • May 2012
    • 2683

    #46
    Originally posted by LaLa1923
    Not true! The have been covering the outbreaks for some time now. The ones that have not been vaccinated are getting sick and or passing it to those that are too small to be vaccinated.

    I think you are actually in agreement with BC

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    • Willow
      Advanced Daycare.com Member
      • May 2012
      • 2683

      #47
      Originally posted by LaLa1923
      That's not the baffling part. I cannot believe your state does not require you to say something to the other parents.
      No state requires disclosure of HIV/AIDS status.....but you are surprised they don't disclose vaccination status, which is merely an odds game over an actual diagnosis?

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      • Willow
        Advanced Daycare.com Member
        • May 2012
        • 2683

        #48
        Originally posted by blessed mom

        I think I'm leaning towards telling the moms that not everyone vaccinates and it's not just here but everywhere.

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        • Blackcat31
          • Oct 2010
          • 36124

          #49
          Originally posted by LaLa1923
          That's not the baffling part. I cannot believe your state does not require you to say something to the other parents.
          I still am not understanding why someone's medical information MUST be shared with others. I don't know how many states require you to notify others, but I know mine doesn't.

          Apparently my state doesn't feel that a non-vaccinated child poses a risk to others who are vaccinated.

          Can you post your state regulation? I'd be interested in reading how they present this info.


          Originally posted by LaLa1923
          Not true! The have been covering the outbreaks for some time now. The ones that have not been vaccinated are getting sick and or passing it to those that are too small to be vaccinated.
          The kids too young to be vaccinated can also be infected by those who ARE vaccinated.

          "They" have also not been able to state specifically that non-vaccinated kids are the culprits in spreading any of these recent outbreaks, only that non-vaccinated children are a part of the problem.

          However not enough so that schools and child care can't accept children not vaccinated....kwim?

          FWIW~ I don't want you to think I am arguing with you. (I'm not ) I am only stating what facts I do know and what MY licensor has told me.

          ...and just in case you're wondering, my own kids (including myself and my DH) are FULLY vaccinated. I believe and support vaccinations (maybe not so much in the schedule they want to do it in) but I do believe in them protecting us.

          I also believe that each parent should have the right to choose to do what they believe in without other's needing to be "warned" or notified about their choices UNLESS their choice adversely affects others health/well being. Some may think it does, but the state does not.

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          • Willow
            Advanced Daycare.com Member
            • May 2012
            • 2683

            #50
            Originally posted by Blackcat31
            Hmm, I just had a meeting with my licensor a few days ago about a child on a delayed immunization schedule and one of the questions the DCM specifically wanted to know was do I have to inform the other parents and my licensor said no. There is nothing in the state rules and/or regulations stating you have to say anything.

            I'd ask your licensor to show you that regulation in writing.

            Not saying, she didn't try to write you up for it, I am just curious as to where she found that reg as my current, past and another gal searched and search and came up with nothing, when I asked before the above meeting.
            I asked her then because I had never heard of it. She hemmed and hawed and I was not comfortable or brave enough to challenge her further. I put up the notice and didn't think anything else of it (made it small though hoping no one would notice and to my knowledge no one ever did thank goodness).

            She looked startled and then paranoid as she was reviewing my records and came across the family's notarized statement.....she said she had never seen one of those and it obviously threw her. She is as green as they come.

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            • TwinKristi
              Family Childcare Provider
              • Aug 2013
              • 2390

              #51
              The only time there would be a reason to exclude an unvaccinated child is if there was an outbreak of a specific vaccine preventable illness and that's to protect the child, not those vaccinated. And unless the baby comes before 2 mos when the vaccines haven't been given, that's a risk you take regardless of where you go but a preschool and a 6wk old doesn't really jive. They're being exposed to a billion other non-vaccine preventable illnesses which are just as dangerous if not worse to a 6wk old. What about the flu? Can't get that til 6mos and even people who get the flu shot can get the flu, it was what... 60ish% effective in the last couple years? We got the flu last year and it ****ed, but the cold my son had prior was far worse and he was almost hospitalized. For a cold that turned into an infection. If a 6wk old gets a bad enough cold virus it can cause asthma which is how my son got it not to mention RSV which is also fatal and no vaccine exists. A young unvaccinated infant doesn't belong in a preschool setting. Most childcare centers would have a separate infant room to prevent such things. Doesn't mean their sibling can't pass it on to them though while at home. It's a risk you take when putting your child in childcare, preschool, etc.

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              • jenn
                Daycare.com Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 695

                #52
                Originally posted by craftymissbeth
                My licensor requires that if we have a non-vaxed child in our care that we notify all parents with children under 12 months of age. We of course cannot tell them who the child is, but we are required to let them know.
                Same here. We can't tell which child it is, but it is usually pretty obvious due to age or being the newbie. I have a 2 year old that is receiving all vaccinations, but on a very delayed schedule due to health issues at birth. I have to notify all parents that have children 1 and under about the situation. I give them a paper to sign (suggested by licensing) that says something like "I have been informed and understand that a child attending my child's daycare is on a delayed vaccination schedule and this may or may not put my child at risk".

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                • JoseyJo
                  Group DCP in Kansas
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 964

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Blackcat31

                  Can you post your state regulation? I'd be interested in reading how they present this info.
                  Here is ours (I'm in Kansas)

                  K.A.R. 28-4-117. (e) If an infant who has not been immunized against measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella because of the age of that child is enrolled and there are children in care who have not had measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella immunizations due to exemption, including the children of the provider, the parents of the infant at risk shall sign a statement that the have been informed of the risk to their child. This statement shall be in the infant's file at the day care or group day care home.

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                  • Blackcat31
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 36124

                    #54
                    Originally posted by JoseyJo
                    Here is ours (I'm in Kansas)

                    K.A.R. 28-4-117. (e) If an infant who has not been immunized against measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella because of the age of that child is enrolled and there are children in care who have not had measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella immunizations due to exemption, including the children of the provider, the parents of the infant at risk shall sign a statement that the have been informed of the risk to their child. This statement shall be in the infant's file at the day care or group day care home.

                    http://www.kdheks.gov/bcclr/regs/lic...s_for_LDCH.pdf
                    Thank you..

                    So you are only required to inform parents if a child has not received the MMR and/or varicella vaccinations?

                    ALL other vaccination information is considered confidential then?

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                    • MarinaVanessa
                      Family Childcare Home
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 7211

                      #55
                      Here's an interesting fact to share with your prego mommies. Only 76% of young children have received all of the recommended age appropriate vaccinations. That means that 1 in 4 children in the country are not vaccinated or fully vaccinated.

                      On another note, there are a lot of people that still believe that vaccinations can cause SIDS, arthritis, multiple sclerosis and autism but so far there has been no scientific proof that vaccinations can lead to any of these. Vaccine makers don't make vaccines with harmful chemicals anymore (like thermisol).

                      Also, the child that has more of a chance to contract an immunizable disease is an un-immunized child. If I have been immunized and I come into contact with let's say the mumps then I may not get sick but I can still be a carrier and pass it on to another child. A child that I come in contact with that has not been immunized for it can then get sick even if I don't show any symptoms because my body is immune. Also vaccinations don't always work for everybody but can at minimum lessen the symptoms (unless of course you are allergic).

                      If the preggo mommies get their babies vaccinated on time and they are still worried for their infants they can always call their local health department to check to see if there are any reported cases of whatever communicable disease their infant still has not been immunized for and maybe even push their work return until their infants are 2 months old and have received the first round of immunizations (HepB, RV, DTaP, Hib, PCV and IPV).
                      Last edited by Michael; 10-17-2013, 04:51 PM.

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                      • Jack Sprat
                        New Daycare.com Member
                        • Jul 2013
                        • 882

                        #56
                        Originally posted by craftymissbeth
                        My licensor requires that if we have a non-vaxed child in our care that we notify all parents with children under 12 months of age. We of course cannot tell them who the child is, but we are required to let them know.
                        Yep!! I was told the same thing! Also word gets around fast (especially in our small area) about "different" parenting choices.

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                        • Angelsj
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 1323

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Meyou
                          You know MMR is the name of the vaccine, not a disease right? MMR vaccinates for several diseases......

                          I'm all for differing opinions but PLEASE base yours on fact before you post things that you obviously aren't educated on.

                          And for the record my fully MMR vaccinated child as well as myself (fully vaccinated) and many other members on my family (fully vaccinated) got the mumps so while vaccines can offer a measure of protection they are NOT the be all and end all. There was an "mumps epidemic" in my town 8 years ago and almost all cases were among the fully vaccinated. There were several hundred confirmed cases and it started at the university not with unvaccinated school children.
                          Mumps is the least effective immunization available. It is estimated that less than 40% of people FULLY vaccinated for mumps are NOT immune. For some reason they have not completely studied or figured out, mumps just very often doesn't take.

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                          • Angelsj
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 1323

                            #58
                            Originally posted by MarinaVanessa
                            Here's an interesting fact to share with your prego mommies. Only 76 of young children have received all of the recommended age appropriate vaccinations. That means that 1 in 4 children in the country are not vaccinated or fully vaccinated.

                            On another note, there are a lot of people that still believe that vaccinations can cause SIDS, arthritis, multiple sclerosis and autism but so far there has been no scientific proof that vaccinations can lead to any of these. Vaccine makers don't make vaccines with harmful chemicals anymore (like thermisol).

                            Also, the child that has more of a chance to contract an immunizable disease is an un-immunized child. If I have been immunized and I come into contact with let's say the mumps then I may not get sick but I can still be a carrier and pass it on to another child. A child that I come in contact with that has not been immunized for it can then get sick even if I don't show any symptoms because my body is immune. Also vaccinations don't always work for everybody but can at minimum lessen the symptoms (unless of course you are allergic).

                            If the preggo mommies get their babies vaccinated on time and they are still worried for their infants they can always call their local health department to check to see if there are any reported cases of whatever communicable disease their infant still has not been immunized for and maybe even push their work return until their infants are 2 months old and have received the first round of immunizations (HepB, RV, DTaP, Hib, PCV and IPV).
                            That is simply patently untrue. Directly from the CDC website:
                            Common substances found in vaccines include:

                            Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.

                            See also: "Aluminum in Vaccines: What you should know"External Web Site Policy Adobe Acrobat print-friendly PDF file [ 579KB / 2 pages] Also available in SpanishExternal Web Site Policy Adobe Acrobat print-friendly PDF file [579KB / 2 pages]
                            Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.
                            Egg protein is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.
                            Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.
                            Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.
                            Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

                            CDC - Understanding Vaccines and Vaccine Safety - Conversations with Parents - Vaccines. (2013) Retrieved from http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/pati...etysheets.html

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                            • JoseyJo
                              Group DCP in Kansas
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 964

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Blackcat31
                              Thank you..

                              So you are only required to inform parents if a child has not received the MMR and/or varicella vaccinations?

                              ALL other vaccination information is considered confidential then?
                              Not sure if it is considered confidential, but we are not required to tell the other parents...

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                              • TwinKristi
                                Family Childcare Provider
                                • Aug 2013
                                • 2390

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Angelsj
                                That is simply patently untrue. Directly from the CDC website:
                                Common substances found in vaccines include:

                                Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.

                                See also: "Aluminum in Vaccines: What you should know"External Web Site Policy Adobe Acrobat print-friendly PDF file [ 579KB / 2 pages] Also available in SpanishExternal Web Site Policy Adobe Acrobat print-friendly PDF file [579KB / 2 pages]
                                Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.
                                Egg protein is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.
                                Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.
                                Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.
                                Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

                                CDC - Understanding Vaccines and Vaccine Safety - Conversations with Parents - Vaccines. (2013) Retrieved from http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/pati...etysheets.html

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