Immunization Problem

[mom2many]

I've only had 2 families in 27 years decide not to vaccinate. One dcm was a special Ed teacher and was adamantly against it and another had a child that was diagnosed on the autism spectrum and she stopped all vaccinations for her child.

None of the other parents were ever privy to this though, so it never had any impact on me.

[Willow]

Really? Wow... I am surprised. I thought it was an issue of confidentiality when it came to medical things like that. ????

I suppose though if someone feels the infant or person with a weakened immune system can catch something from a non-vaxed kid, then it makes sense.

I am just glad I don't have to say anything to anyone about any of. With so many families against vaccinating now, the rules/laws are going to get trickier....

I had to write up a little deal and post it right next to my state license for anyone entering my home to see.....almost gotten written up over that at my last relicensing because at the time I had an non vaxing family.

She said it's a reg. You don't have to disclose who the family is, but you do have to notify others that there is one in care.


I'm not touching the original issue with a ten foot pole. I do however sympathise with any provider that ends up stuck in the middle like that......yish.

[Leigh]

I wouldn't be in this situation-my understanding is that unvaccinated kids are not allowed in licensed care in my state (I could be wrong), but I would never accept a kid not vaccinated. Were I already in your position, I would tell the parents of the unvaccinated child that they can either get the vaccines or find other care because their child puts infants at risk.

[LaLa1923]

Yes, but unfortunately there no option to pick or choose right now.

I personally think after you've had ONE round of each as an infant, they should do titers and if you have enough antibodies, they shouldn't make your child get more.

I did refuse the rotavirus oral vaccine when my sin was little also. But it's not required here.

THis would be a happy medium imo

[craftymissbeth]

In my state the only exemptions are for religious or medical reasons.

I'm curious if anyone knows if not taking a non-vaxed child could be considered discrimination based on the above?

[Cradle2crayons]

In my state the only exemptions are for religious or medical reasons.

I'm curious if anyone knows if not taking a non-vaxed child could be considered discrimination based on the above?

If they have a medical exemption I'm pretty positive y can't discriminate because we had that problem when we tried putting my daughter into preschool years ago. And it's against the law here to not vaccinate if they are in school, daycare, or any facility without an exemption.

So, if they HAVE a medical exemption (and not filling y full of hot air) then, no you can't discriminate.

[daycarediva]

Yes, but unfortunately there no option to pick or choose right now.

I personally think after you've had ONE round of each as an infant, they should do titers and if you have enough antibodies, they shouldn't make your child get more.

I did refuse the rotavirus oral vaccine when my sin was little also. But it's not required here.

I have been saying this for YEARS. 1 vax may be enough to give one person immunity. 3 may be enough for another, etc. Why require a blanket 3-4 of the same immunizations for everyone? Proof of immunity.

I heard from our pediatrician that it's adults that aren't immunized/haven't had boosters/etc that are a fast growing segment of the population infected with preventable disease now.

[CedarCreek]

I don't think we are required to let any parents know of unvaccinated kids here in Texas.

I would take an unvaccinated kid, given they sign a form understanding the risk they are taking and that I wouldn't be responsible for any illness that occurs from that decision.

Also, just wanted to add: http://www.infowars.com/breaking-cou...causes-autism/

Sorry in advance for the debate this may spark!

[Michael]

I don't think we are required to let any parents know of unvaccinated kids here in Texas.

I would take an unvaccinated kid, given they sign a form understanding the risk they are taking and that I wouldn't be responsible for any illness that occurs from that decision.

Also, just wanted to add: http://www.infowars.com/breaking-cou...causes-autism/

Sorry in advance for the debate this may spark!

I'll be honest with you. I, like you, worry about vaccinations but I would never reference an article from Alex Jones. IMO he's a barn burner.

[Cradle2crayons]

I have been saying this for YEARS. 1 vax may be enough to give one person immunity. 3 may be enough for another, etc. Why require a blanket 3-4 of the same immunizations for everyone? Proof of immunity.

I heard from our pediatrician that it's adults that aren't immunized/haven't had boosters/etc that are a fast growing segment of the population infected with preventable disease now.

They don't do what makes sense.... Why??

BECAUSE IT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE LOL.

I know kids aren't like cats and dogs, but a lot of vets over the last several years have discovered that animals are MAJORLY over vaccinated and they have changed recommendations.

Just saying....

[BrooklynM]

I think a great amount of caution needs to be had on this topic. I'm not going to pick a side either way because I have seen both sides. My kids are vaccinated, however I worked with special needs kids for years and have personal relationships with the parents and understand the concerns. I do also wonder if we are overdoing it, etc. However, with that said, its not up to me, or any of us as providers to guide any parents in my humble opinion. We must be careful. What if you say- you should never immunize and their child comes down with Rubella? Or you tell a pregnant mom who is debating to immunize- you must do it, and then their child is Autistic? It could be a coincidence, sure, but we should never advise anyone. You can tell them to research both sides and support their decision, but please be careful!

As far as the business is concerned, I would just check with your local licensing department. Double check to make sure if it is ok not to accept anyone that isn't vaccinated, even if it is for religious purposes? Then, do what you feel is best for your business and your family.

[dingledine]

Each state has a loop hole of some sort, for any child, in any circumstance, be it medical, personal reasons, so forth. I have some vaxed and unvacced kids here. The vaccinated kids are the paying ones... and the lightly vaccinated kids are my own. This is a hot topic. I used to be heavily weighted toward PRO vaccinating, and wondered what morons wouldn't vax their kids, now with age, and insight, my personal views have changed, and I think that there is more than one view, and reasons for that view. My oldest was in fact, over vaccinated, and I regret it, but at the time, I thought more was better! Is that why he developed certain issues... I don't know... I don't want to speculate.

I understand the parents concern. You, as the provider have to decide what you are going to do. Term the child that isn't vaxed? Who knows. Is that child a risk? Perhaps. Are the other kids a risk? Perhaps. Vaccines wear off, but at this age, they are pretty fresh, so they are probably doing their job.

[hope]

My own DD n DS were unable to receive any live immunizations for the past two and a half years bc my DH has had a bone marrow transplant and he needs to be completely immunized again. Unfortunately his immune system has not recovered as it should so his vaccinations have been put off making my children unable to receive theirs also.
Our pediatrician has done blood work on my children for the live immunizations to see if they have a natural immunity and surprisingly they do. I'm not sure this would apply to all immunizations, but you can suggest blood work be done to ease everyones fears.

[Meyou]

And this is the reason why we have an epidemic of MMR and whooping cough.

You know MMR is the name of the vaccine, not a disease right? MMR vaccinates for several diseases......

I'm all for differing opinions but PLEASE base yours on fact before you post things that you obviously aren't educated on.

And for the record my fully MMR vaccinated child as well as myself (fully vaccinated) and many other members on my family (fully vaccinated) got the mumps so while vaccines can offer a measure of protection they are NOT the be all and end all. There was an "mumps epidemic" in my town 8 years ago and almost all cases were among the fully vaccinated. There were several hundred confirmed cases and it started at the university not with unvaccinated school children.

[CedarCreek]

I'll be honest with you. I, like you, worry about vaccinations but I would never reference an article from Alex Jones. IMO he's a barn burner.

I'm not sure who that is and what makes him a barn burner but I also don't see where it says Alex Jones. It says the article is by Jonathan Benson.

Maybe you see something I don't?

Eta: Aha! I see now. Well in that case, there are plenty of other references available I just picked the first one with the same article