Illegally Unlicensed Daycares that Advertise

[Heidi]

Here is our point detail...

http://dcf.wi.gov/youngstar/pdf/point_detail_family.pdf

Without a degree, you cannot be 5 star. Without at least 24 ECE credits, you cannot be a 4, and without 18, cannot be a 3.

Our head of DCF went on the news saying that "2 star programs are the equivalent of receiving a D grade".

The 2 star programs are the providers who reluctantly joined Youngstar because they had to (in order to take state-assisted kids). These are people who in some cases have been providers for years, meet the state's 750+ licensing rules, and sometimes are teachers of various childcare courses. But...they are "D" programs in her eyes.

A lot of people just said F-it, and either went unregulated or illegal, even. No one does anything to the illegals here, for the most part.

[Blackcat31]

Cat, I think I was just trolled. I bit. I HOPE this is a troll, because knowingly running an illegal child care is just........grrrrrr .....BLOOD BOILING.
I guess I just take this too seriously. It's not funny, at all. Kwim??
I'm usually pretty mild mannered. Sorry guys. Except for the troll, or the illegal operator, you can kiss my hippy rear end.

The sad part is that the "troll" you responded to is NOT the unregistered user that has been continuously posting in this thread (and others) about people minding their own business.

The unregistered poster you replied to did NOT post once in this thread as unregistered so I am completely confused by her statement that someone mentioned she was illegal. :confused:

If she is trying to "appear" as if she is the other unregistered user, she has failed.

[Sugar Magnolia]

absolutely they are!

And for Cat too......you can't "opt-out" of the whole QRIS program? And keep your license? We can opt-out, we just can't accept state subsidy without participating. My license and everything would be totally unaffected by opting out. I can't BELIEVE they would force people into illegal operation over NOT participating in a quality improvement plan. And I thought Florida was the capital of BS. Oh my..

[Blackcat31]

Just wondering why you think it is because of the rating system? What does it involve?

Here is your state's site for Quality rating system.

http://qualitystarsny.org/

Each state has different rules but most of the basics are the same.

[Heidi]

And for Cat too......you can't "opt-out" of the whole QRIS program? And keep your license? We can opt-out, we just can't accept state subsidy without participating. My license and everything would be totally unaffected by opting out. I can't BELIEVE they would force people into illegal operation over NOT participating in a quality improvement plan. And I thought Florida was the capital of BS. Oh my..

At the moment, you can opt-out. But that won't last forever, and when parents look you up on the state website, all those that opted out show up at the bottom of the list. Each in alphabetical order: 5's first, then 4's, then 3's, then 2's, then 1's (those that are about to be shut down) THEN "provider is not participating".

[Sugar Magnolia]

The sad part is that the "troll" you responded to is NOT the unregistered user that has been continuously posting in this thread (and others) about people minding their own business.

The unregistered poster you replied to did NOT post once in this thread as unregistered so I am completely confused by her statement that someone mentioned she was illegal. :confused:

If she is trying to "appear" as if she is the other unregistered user, she has failed.

Phew! I thought I might be in trouble for my outburst. ::
Smelly stinky poo poo pants on trolls.

[Blackcat31]

Phew! I thought I might be in trouble for my outburst. ::
Smelly stinky poo poo pants on trolls.

Your outburst was 100% justified! And appreciated.

I cannot believe anyone can find a logical reason for operating illegally.

It baffles me that those types providers think that just because they love kids, it's all ok.

[Cat Herder]

Sugar, we can opt out, but the State is also using our tax dollars to fund a huge TV marketing campaign/commercials to tell parents to avoid us even IF we have had no violations in over 20 years.. and stayed licensed in good faith.

To add insult to injury, the State CCR&R website now only shows two inspections for parents to review, so the new 18 year old/straight out of high school/no experience/living in their parents basement "providers" look better by comparison.

( not even two YEARS, two inspections out of 4 per year)

[Leanna]

Here is your state's site for Quality rating system.

http://qualitystarsny.org/

Each state has different rules but most of the basics are the same.

Yes, that was part of my question...is it like what we have here in NY. But also why some of you think people are operating illegally due to the rating systems?

[Cat Herder]

some of you think people are operating illegally due to the rating systems?

Not THINK.... KNOW. I belong to a local providers group. It is often a topic of HEATED discussion.....

It is VERY new here.

[Lyss]

The whole thread makes me sick. Just when you think you hear it all.

I seriously hope this is all just to stir up the pot and not really someone who thinks its totally ok to do things illegally. Its about children, the rules are for their safety! Not wanting to follow them is pure laziness and endangerment, whether you love children or not.

There was a woman that lived down the street from me that had 5 DCKs, a small group by many standards, but 4 were under 15months and the other was barely 2. This is highly illegal, for licensed and unlicensed, in my state because you can only have 2 under 2. She stopped me on the way to the park once because she wanted to chat. She literally said "I just undercut competition by half or so and now I get paid to watch tv" when I told her the laws she replied "well my parents pay in cash so its not traceable and no one can prove otherwise" But hey she must love kids to put up with all those diapers and bottles, so I guess it's ok (I reported her BTW but heard nothing, they moved shortly after so I have no idea what happened but I'm sure she's still at it)

The sad part is that the "troll" you responded to is NOT the unregistered user that has been continuously posting in this thread (and others) about people minding their own business.

The unregistered poster you replied to did NOT post once in this thread as unregistered so I am completely confused by her statement that someone mentioned she was illegal. :confused:

If she is trying to "appear" as if she is the other unregistered user, she has failed.

I wondered about this. The OP kept saying she wasn't illegal and only watched one family, then suddenly the other one popped up and I had to go back to try to figure out where this one came from because it didn't sound like the OP

[BABYLUVER21]

Here the state is trying to go to qualistar ratings and ALL family homes will now be required to have a degree or CDA to run their businesses, even the smaller homes. They also have to start participating in the ratings programs. While for the larger homes this can be an advantage, for the small homes it's a huge disadvantage because to get the CDA here (not thru school but thru the state) is over $500 up front to the class start. A lot of smaller home providers cannot afford this. (There are some families that can only take 2-4 children total because own kids count in capacities or because of their sq footage, etc.) It's why we have a lot of unlicensed homes these days. Many licensed homes have ALSo given up their licenses because they know that by January 2014 that they'll be shut down if they don't finish the classes etc...and so it's pointless. Most did keep their families though.

[Sugar Magnolia]

Ok, this thread got really off track, but.still pertains to illegal care, so I'll add this:

If good, long-term providers with clear records and happy families.are being forced into illegal operation by DCF AND STATE SPONSORED PROGRAMS to improve quality.........then something is very Very VERY wrong with this picture. If you can opt out and keep your license, or at least still be LEGAL, then that's unfortunate, but waaaaay better than operating illegally.

"Dear Your State,
QRIS programs are meant to improve quality of child care in our.state. Your program is having the opposite effect when it forces good providers to become criminals if they choose not to participate. Shame on you.
Caregiver".

[Heidi]

Ok, this thread got really off track, but.still pertains to illegal care, so I'll add this:

If good, long-term providers with clear records and happy families.are being forced into illegal operation by DCF AND STATE SPONSORED PROGRAMS to improve quality.........then something is very Very VERY wrong with this picture. If you can opt out and keep your license, or at least still be LEGAL, then that's unfortunate, but waaaaay better than operating illegally.

"Dear Your State,
QRIS programs are meant to improve quality of child care in our.state. Your program is having the opposite effect when it forces good providers to become criminals if they choose not to participate. Shame on you.
Caregiver".

Good luck getting anyone to listen. NAFCCA, AFSCME, and countless provider groups have tried. SOMEBODY is making money on all of it, just not us.

[Leanna]

Not THINK.... KNOW. I belong to a local providers group. It is often a topic of HEATED discussion.....

It is VERY new here.

Really? Quality Stars is new here and I am afraid it will have the same effect. I am not against regulations/standards/etc. but am worried about how things are being implemented. The last thing the early childhood community needs is to be divided.