Illegally Unlicensed Daycares that Advertise

[Blackcat31]

Ok, this thread got really off track, but.still pertains to illegal care, so I'll add this:

If good, long-term providers with clear records and happy families.are being forced into illegal operation by DCF AND STATE SPONSORED PROGRAMS to improve quality.........then something is very Very VERY wrong with this picture. If you can opt out and keep your license, or at least still be LEGAL, then that's unfortunate, but waaaaay better than operating illegally.

"Dear Your State,
QRIS programs are meant to improve quality of child care in our.state. Your program is having the opposite effect when it forces good providers to become criminals if they choose not to participate. Shame on you.
Caregiver".

Because this country no longer wants child CARE providers.

They want early childhood EDUCATORS.

I truly believe that family child care providers as we know them to be now will NO longer exist within the next 5 (+ or -) years.


Honestly, I DO think that having a CDA should really be a minimum standard. It is NOT hard to get and the education you get IS worth it.

I do NOT think providers should be required to have an actually A.A or A.A.S. degree or higher.

[Heidi]

Because this country no longer wants child CARE providers.

They want early childhood EDUCATORS.

I truly believe that family child care providers as we know them to be now will NO longer exist within the next 5 (+ or -) years.


Honestly, I DO think that having a CDA should really be a minimum standard. It is NOT hard to get and the education you get IS worth it.

I do NOT think providers should be required to have an actually A.A or A.A.S. degree or higher.

I've never had a problem with them requiring some education. But, if you look at our point system, you could score 100% in ALL areas of quality, and if you don't have a degree, you cannot be a 5 star. That is what I take issue with. If you score so high in all areas, then obviously you've learned it somehow, just not in a college classroom. For me, it was lots of research on my own, and tons of CEU's.

So, education should be a component, but not the only deciding factor. Writing a curriculum or doing assessments or providing teacher-led gym class could be components, just not the only deciding factors.

National Accreditation has 228 standards. About 20 of those are non-negotiable. The rest, you have to meet a percentage of to be accredited. If the QRIS were similar, it would be much fairer. Meet 90% of the standards, you are a 5 star, 80-4 star, etc. Or something like that.

It really confuses me that they even have a 1 star. That means, you are about to be shut down due to licensing violations, and you can't accept state-funded kids. What is the point of that?

[Cat Herder]

Because this country no longer wants child CARE providers.

They want early childhood EDUCATORS.

I truly believe that family child care providers as we know them to be now will NO longer exist within the next 5 (+ or -) years.


Honestly, I DO think that having a CDA should really be a minimum standard. It is NOT hard to get and the education you get IS worth it.

I do NOT think providers should be required to have an actually A.A or A.A.S. degree or higher.

Child Care is already dead... they just have not officially identified the body.

I loved the CDA training... I oppose the continued annual fee fee's, pressured accreditations, mandatory paid memberships in associations that receive money from the afore mentioned fee fees.... just to KEEP the CDA. blah, blah, blah

Not to mention the *recommended purchases* that are constantly pushed on you or the legislative measures you are *encouraged" to support.

With each new mailing I first look for the Scientology logo... :::: Just kidding, but... ugh

[Heidi]

Child Care is already dead... they just have not officially identified the body.

I loved the CDA training... I oppose the continued annual fee fee's, pressed accreditations, mandatory paid memberships in associations that receive money from the afore mentioned fee fees.... just to KEEP the CDA. blah, blah, blah

Not to mention the *recommended purchases* that are constantly pushed on you or the legislative measures you are *encouraged" to support.

With each new mailing I first look for the Scientology logo... :::: Just kidding, but... ugh

I always say that I am in the program because I have to be, but I am NOT drinking the Koolaid.

[Blackcat31]

Child Care is already dead... they just have not officially identified the body.

I loved the CDA training... I oppose the continued annual fee fee's, pressured accreditations, mandatory paid memberships in associations that receive money from the afore mentioned fee fees.... just to KEEP the CDA. blah, blah, blah

Not to mention the *recommended purchases* that are constantly pushed on you or the legislative measures you are *encouraged" to support.

With each new mailing I first look for the Scientology logo... :::: Just kidding, but... ugh

Hmm, I wonder if things have changed a lot since I first did mine. I remember having to be part of an association which wasn't a huge deal as I LOVE the magazine and info I get from the NAEYC and as far as renewal goes, I only had to take a couple CEU's or credits once every 5 years and that was all.

I didn't even receive regular mailings from them.

If they ARE starting to really be pushy and annoying about it, I can see why it would be a turn off to providers who already have enough on their plates working 12-15 hour days.

[Sugar Magnolia]

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I always say that I am in the program because I have to be, but I am NOT drinking the Koolaid.

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[Cat Herder]

Hmm, I wonder if things have changed a lot since I first did mine. .

So far my understanding is:

*$15 for renewal application packet.

*$100 for "processing" said packet.

*$ for 4.5 CEUs ( 1 "hour" classes= .1 CEUs and prices vary for $10-$65 per hour here unless you can attend the occasional free classes, that will count for CEUS, offered 2 hours away on weekdays. This is AFTER you have already paid for and completed 120 hours.)

* a letter from a "supervisor" stating you worked 80 hours (if you work alone you have to beg your CCR&R and wait patiently for them to respond no matter how over worked they already are)

*Letter of Recommendation from a certified reviewer...a stranger at best/competitor at worst... who comes into your home and micromanages your program. (THIS is where it gets very VERY sticky for private home providers/parents who prefer a home like environment) The pressure is harsh.

* Documented proof of membership in an association with a couple "recommended" by your reviewer.

It really gets overwhelming...$$$$ I may have missed a step or two, I have opted out of renewal.

Back to topic , sorry, I know I am the wost.

ILLEGAL daycare is wrong, wrong, wrong!!! No matter how frustrated you are with the system. The QRIS thing will wash itself out eventually, ride it out. It is not the first government program to upset small business owners, it won't be the last.

Wear your 1-2 STARS proudly like the Sneetches if you have to.... Eventually, it will all work out.

[nannyde]

I am the poster of the original post above this quote, first let me say that I am a former nurse and have had all the training you need to take care of a child,second I have had two children of my own,now have families of their own. I did not need any extra training courses to raise my own kids, I raised them just fine. Do you think that women need to be licensed to raise their own kids? I know that's a loaded question, but seriously, if a women can raise her own children, then why does she need to be licensed to care for others...I know this sounds ridiculous, but it just makes a point.

As far as the licensed daycare home being dirty, no that is not the case with every licensed daycare home, but in turn does that mean that all unlicensed daycare homes are unsafe or dirty ? No, it doesn't.

Some of us unlicensed providers just choose to only care for a few kids and not make it a career, but want to do it because we love the little ones. That does not make us bad people or not responsible. It does cost a lot to be licensed and for just taking a couple kids,from the same family, it is hard for people to afford to do updates on their homes to be licensed for one thing. If you plan on making it a career and have the money to do that , then go for it.

I just don't think it is fair to judge providers for whatever choice they make,whether they are licensed or not and how they advertise. It really is nobody's business on how we conduct our own daycare business, it is up to each provider to as how they do things and their choices. It is hard enough to find kids theses days anyway as many people are losing their jobs, money is tight and they are having to pull their kids out of daycare or look for cheaper ways of finding care.

So lets not nit pic about whether one provider is licensed or not and how they advertise. Initially it is up to parents to choose the right provider for their child and there preferences.

It isn't up to the parents. The laws were made long before they had their child. The laws didn't consider their opinion because they aren't knowledgeable about the care of other people's children. You don't get that either. Caring for other people's kids isnt anything like caring for your own.

[Lyss]

So I'm going to continuing the OT conversation (who wants to go on about the OPost anyway ) with a quick question:

I have an AAS in Early Childhood Education how does this relate to the CDA? as in is it higher, lower, the same? I feel a bit special on this topic as I've never heard of a CDA until this forum.

[Blackcat31]

So I'm going to continuing the OT conversation (who wants to go on about the OPost anyway ) with a quick question:

I have an AAS in Early Childhood Education how does this relate to the CDA? as in is it higher, lower, the same? I feel a bit special on this topic as I've never heard of a CDA until this forum.

Your degree is higher and requires more credits and courses.

A CDA is only a portion of those credits or courses.

Not sure how "old" a CDA credential is but I earned mine in 1993-94 originally.

I stopped renewing it when I got my A.A.S. as the current degree trumps the CDA .