Illegally Unlicensed Daycares that Advertise

[Patches]

Somebody mentioned that I might be illegal and the answer is yes. According to my state I can only watch 3 kids including my own and I have 3 kids myself. I currently have 1 family with 2 children and 1 part time child who comes 2 days a week. If I was licensed I could be watching 6 - 8 kids. And background checks can be done if a parent requests it and just because someone can pass a background check meana nothing there are licensed daycare that have been reported for abuse. All the ppaperwork required by the state takes way to much time and like someone said they would be running my business not me

This sounds a little bit troll-ish to me

[Cat Herder]

Just throwing this out there....

What do you think would happen if CPS started holding PARENTS who choose illegal daycare for their children responsible for their choice?

I know if they let them ride without a seatbelt (also illegal) they are held accountable.

What is the difference? :confused:

I think that will be the new topic for letters to my representatives. I am just babysitting, anyway... I have lots of free time while they sit in front of the TV. :::: OK, too far, was asked for free childcare by a acquaintance again today, ya know "since you are home". Feeling punchy.... Sorry.

[Heidi]

Just throwing this out there....

What do you think would happen if CPS started holding PARENTS who choose illegal daycare for their children responsible for their choice?

I know if they let them ride without a seatbelt (also illegal) they are held accountable.

What is the difference? :confused:

I think that will be the new topic for letters to my representatives. I am just babysitting, anyway... I have lots of free time while they sit in front of the TV. :::: OK, too far, was asked for free childcare by a acquaintance again today, ya know "since you are home". Feeling punchy.... Sorry.

I have never been asked for free childcare. I'll count myself lucky.

As for CPS, I think they have bigger fish to fry, but I sure wish DCF would concentrate more on that, and less on trying to reinvent the wheel by raising the bar higher and higher for us. Wisconsin has some of the most stringent licensing laws in the country, yet they keep coming up with stuff to add to our load.

[Blackcat31]

Somebody mentioned that I might be illegal and the answer is yes. According to my state I can only watch 3 kids including my own and I have 3 kids myself. I currently have 1 family with 2 children and 1 part time child who comes 2 days a week. If I was licensed I could be watching 6 - 8 kids. And background checks can be done if a parent requests it and just because someone can pass a background check meana nothing there are licensed daycare that have been reported for abuse. All the ppaperwork required by the state takes way to much time and like someone said they would be running my business not me

This is really sad.

If you truly care about the children you watch, why would getting licensed be so difficult?

I don't buy or except the excuse that the paperwork takes too long.

KNOWINGLY providing care that is ILLEGAL sheds a bad light on ALL providers.

KNOWINGLY providing care that is ILLEGAL says alot about your own morals and values.

Do ALL of your child care parents know that you are operating ILLEGALLY? Not that you aren't licensed but that you are actually illegal but that should you get shut down, they would immediately lose their child care?

I also wonder about the legal ramifications of this...is your contract still valid? Would it be upheld in a court of law if a parent were to use your illegal operation against you?

Whew.....that is really a huge risk (on many levels) to take IMHO. :confused:

[CedarCreek]

Somebody mentioned that I might be illegal and the answer is yes. According to my state I can only watch 3 kids including my own and I have 3 kids myself. I currently have 1 family with 2 children and 1 part time child who comes 2 days a week. If I was licensed I could be watching 6 - 8 kids. And background checks can be done if a parent requests it and just because someone can pass a background check meana nothing there are licensed daycare that have been reported for abuse. All the ppaperwork required by the state takes way to much time and like someone said they would be running my business not me

Your begging for it. I hope someone reports you.

[BABYLUVER21]

I don't understand. Are you arguing that if someone wants to do illegal daycare that we should mind our own business and let it go?

How about if they want to drive illegally? Lets say they have DWI's up the wazoo or just never took the test?

Decide to open a restaurant from their home next door, without benefit of inspections, licenses, or training of any kind (hey...mom was a great cook).

Decide to cut hair, give perms, or offer tanning services without a license or oversight?

A liquor store or bar?

Want to sell pot or cocaine just down the block?

Where would you draw the line?

Funny thing is, I think some regulations or laws are just plain over-the-top. But does it mean I should only follow the ones I like, because breaking them "isn't hurting anyone".

It DOES hurt someone...those people who made the commitment and took the time to "jump through all the hoops".

If you don't like a law, you can lobby your congress person. But, breaking the law in the meantime is still not okay.

You know what's funny about all that? It is happening EVERY DAY! All of those things you listed, people are doing.

On one hand, it ****s that we have to be regulated for every little thing and that some people may do these things for family and friends and be successful without all the red tape.

On the OTHER hand, people doing it for strangers getting paid without being taxed, without having to pay for permits, without having to be held accountable for anything doing it, taking potential income from others who ARE following all the laws.

AND as consumers, we have limited rights if something goes wrong with someone who is unlicensed/unregulated.

[Sugar Magnolia]

Somebody mentioned that I might be illegal and the answer is yes. According to my state I can only watch 3 kids including my own and I have 3 kids myself. I currently have 1 family with 2 children and 1 part time child who comes 2 days a week. If I was licensed I could be watching 6 - 8 kids. And background checks can be done if a parent requests it and just because someone can pass a background check meana nothing there are licensed daycare that have been reported for abuse. All the ppaperwork required by the state takes way to much time and like someone said they would be running my business not me

You are LAZY. And SELFISH. Good luck with your illegal operation. Licensing won't be "running" your business. Get legal or get the ==== out.

[Cat Herder]

You are LAZY. And SELFISH. Good luck with your illegal operation. Licensing won't be "running" your business. Get legal or get the ==== out.

WOW Sugar..... ::::::

I know I have not been on as much as I used to be but.... You, my dear, have blossomed into a bad @$$. happyface

Maybe you should be Steel Magnolia, now.... lovethislovethis

[Sugar Magnolia]

WOW Sugar..... ::::::

I know I have not been on as much as I used to be but.... You, my dear, have blossomed into a bad @$$. happyface

Maybe you should be Steel Magnolia, now.... lovethislovethis

Cat, I think I was just trolled. I bit. I HOPE this is a troll, because knowingly running an illegal child care is just........grrrrrr .....BLOOD BOILING.
I guess I just take this too seriously. It's not funny, at all. Kwim??
I'm usually pretty mild mannered. Sorry guys. Except for the troll, or the illegal operator, you can kiss my hippy rear end.

[Cat Herder]

Cat, I think I was just trolled. I bit. I HOPE this is a troll, because knowingly running an illegal child care is just........grrrrrr .....BLOOD BOILING.
I guess I just take this too seriously. It's not funny, at all. Kwim??
I'm usually pretty mild mannered. Sorry guys. Except for the troll, or the illegal operator, you can kiss my hippy rear end.

Oh, I know... believe me. I am swimming in illegal daycares. Two providers within 5 miles are related to me. They have the audacity to try to use me as their reference...

It has always been a hot topic button for me.

My whole *large* county only has two LEGAL home providers... we keep a total of 12 kids between us. With only two commercial centers in 10 miles..... Well, you do the math.

The rest dropped their licensing because of this whole QRIS Ratings thing and never looked back. They are not being investigated, either... I bet the States licensed provider "Compliance Percentage" looks great on paper to the Feds though. Beyond frustrating.

[Heidi]

Oh, I know... believe me. I am swimming in illegal daycares. Two providers within 5 miles are related to me. They have the audacity to try to use me as their reference...

It has always been a hot topic button for me.

My whole *large* county only has two LEGAL home providers... we keep a total of 12 kids between us. With only two commercial centers in 10 miles..... Well, you do the math.

The rest dropped their licensing because of this whole QRIS Ratings thing and never looked back. They are not being investigated, either... I bet the States licensed provider "Compliance Percentage" looks great on paper to the Feds though. Beyond frustrating.

Wisconsin lost a lot of legal providers when they went to Youngstar (our QRIS) as well. I'm sure not all of those people are out of business. They just went underground, or they take less kids. They can't take state-funded kids unless they're regulated, so it's all private-pay.

I'm considering dropping my license next time around as well (but not operating illegally). There is only so much "they" can keep heaping on us for what amounts to less than minimum wage.

[Sugar Magnolia]

Oh, I know... believe me. I am swimming in illegal daycares. Two providers within 5 miles are related to me. They have the audacity to try to use me as their reference...

It has always been a hot topic button for me.

My whole *large* county only has two LEGAL home providers... we keep a total of 12 kids between us. With only two commercial centers in 10 miles..... Well, you do the math.

The rest dropped their licensing because of this whole QRIS Ratings thing and never looked back. They are not being investigated, either... I bet the States licensed provider "Compliance Percentage" looks great on paper to the Feds though. Beyond frustrating.

Ok, so you are saying people are going from licensed to ILLEGAL? To avoid QRIS? What?!? Omg.....(palm to face) . Oy Vey.

[Leanna]

The rest dropped their licensing because of this whole QRIS Ratings thing and never looked back. They are not being investigated, either... I bet the States licensed provider "Compliance Percentage" looks great on paper to the Feds though. Beyond frustrating.

Just wondering why you think it is because of the rating system? What does it involve?

[Heidi]

Ok, so you are saying people are going from licensed to ILLEGAL? To avoid QRIS? What?!? Omg.....(palm to face) . Oy Vey.

absolutely they are!

[Cat Herder]

Ok, so you are saying people are going from licensed to ILLEGAL? To avoid QRIS? What?!? Omg.....(palm to face) . Oy Vey.

Yes. A few stated it is because even with 20 years of perfect service, you cannot achieve Stars without the College Degree *IN* Child Care/Development.

It was not even available when most of us started and high school seniors are graduating with them in hand, on our tax dollars.

Many providers are just "over it".

I simply printed off HOW they get the STARS and handed that info directly to my clients. They rolled their eyes, laughed and said "We're good.".