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  • NeedaVaca
    Daycare.com Member
    • Mar 2012
    • 2276

    #46
    Originally posted by Michelle
    What do providers do when your own child gets sick from school? school buses don't transport for this.

    What do you do if little Johnny gets a ride to a soccer game that you have to miss half of because a mom that gets off at 3:30 wants to get her money's worth and get her nails done because you close at 5.... and your Little Johnny breaks his arm and is being taken to the hospital?

    What do you do if even after covering all you bases and you close at 12 p.m. and parents still don't show up and your dd or ds graduates in 4 hours? To get a good seat you would have to leave in 2 hours.

    Side note... I would NEVER take my dck's on a city bus... I would not take my own kids on one. We are suppose to keep our kids from potential child abusers and you don't know who is on that bus.. they are not seat belted in,also being on the bus doesn't "magically" make other drivers drive better... The no seat belts and car seats scare me the most..also.

    I have been driving for 25 years and have never even been pulled over or received a ticket.. My parents totally trust me and I love that!
    Not taking kids on a city bus because you are keeping them away from possible child abusers makes no sense to me? There could be child abusers at parks, zoo's, museums, etc...

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    • Play Care
      Daycare.com Member
      • Dec 2012
      • 6642

      #47
      Originally posted by Blackcat31
      I answered in bold above.

      One of this biggest things I read on this forum is providers who seem to feel that this profession should be respected and viewed as a "real" job by society yet, some providers feel that it should also be a job in which we should be given free passes to do things with our families and/or outside of care hours with little or no notice to families enrolled and expect parents to come pick up their children or change their work schedules to accommodate the things we want to do just because we are the bosses and/or the ones in charge.

      I truly believe parents want reliability and dependability. Not a provider who simply closes every time her own children have something going on and then expects the parents they have enrolled should just have to "deal with it" and figure out back up.

      Whether you close a little, a lot or not at all for family related things is fine and dandy but no matter how often you close, it is still something that should be discussed IN DEPTH with the families you enroll BEFORE they enroll so they (the families) know if they need to be flexible at their jobs or if you are going to be available to them on a regular basis.

      Providers need to let families know if they will be closing on short notice frequently or if they will always give adequate notice.

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      • Play Care
        Daycare.com Member
        • Dec 2012
        • 6642

        #48
        Originally posted by Michelle
        What do providers do when your own child gets sick from school? school buses don't transport for this.

        What do you do if little Johnny gets a ride to a soccer game that you have to miss half of because a mom that gets off at 3:30 wants to get her money's worth and get her nails done because you close at 5.... and your Little Johnny breaks his arm and is being taken to the hospital?

        What do you do if even after covering all you bases and you close at 12 p.m. and parents still don't show up and your dd or ds graduates in 4 hours? To get a good seat you would have to leave in 2 hours.

        Side note... I would NEVER take my dck's on a city bus... I would not take my own kids on one. We are suppose to keep our kids from potential child abusers and you don't know who is on that bus.. they are not seat belted in,also being on the bus doesn't "magically" make other drivers drive better... The no seat belts and car seats scare me the most..also.

        I have been driving for 25 years and have never even been pulled over or received a ticket.. My parents totally trust me and I love that!
        My families all know that we *might* have to take a ride, however I typically use either my assistant or licensed substitute to stay with the kids. I make every effort to *plan* for emergencies. I am not going to expect dc parents to have back up plans and fail to do so myself. I also think this is a case where everyone can do what is comfortable for them. If you know not being able to transport would be a deal breaker, be very clear with parents from the get go and don't take anyone on who doesn't want it. If you know you will never, ever transport, again, be upfront with parents. Let them decide if they want the service or not.

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        • Michelle
          Daycare.com Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 1932

          #49
          Originally posted by NeedaVaca
          Not taking kids on a city bus because you are keeping them away from possible child abusers makes no sense to me? There could be child abusers at parks, zoo's, museums, etc...
          On a bus they can be sitting right next to one. At the park, they are playing on the equipment..

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          • Michelle
            Daycare.com Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 1932

            #50
            Originally posted by Michelle
            On a bus they can be sitting right next to one. At the park, they are playing on the equipment..
            At the zoo, they are in strollers or on a walking rope, I have total control when they are in my van, in their safely installed new car seats, and I always have at least 2 assistants on field trips.. we get constant compliments.. people even ask to take our picture.. of course the answer is "no"

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            • NeedaVaca
              Daycare.com Member
              • Mar 2012
              • 2276

              #51
              I still don't see the reasoning :confused: Do you do background checks on all your daycare families? Even one of them could be a child abuser and they are in your house...You never know what goes on behind closed doors...

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              • sharlan
                Daycare.com Member
                • May 2011
                • 6067

                #52
                Originally posted by NeedaVaca
                I still don't see the reasoning :confused: Do you do background checks on all your daycare families? Even one of them could be a child abuser and they are in your house...You never know what goes on behind closed doors...
                As I recall, someone here DID have that issue.

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                • Blackcat31
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 36124

                  #53
                  Taking a group of children OFF your PRIVATE property has a certain set of risks and a level of liability that NO amount of safeguarding can eliminate.

                  No matter how diligent you are.

                  For some providers it is just NOT worth that risk.

                  For some parents it is just NOT worth that risk.

                  That's ok.

                  Just as long as BOTH parties are CLEARLY understood from the beginning.

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                  • Michelle
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 1932

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Blackcat31
                    I answered in bold above.

                    One of this biggest things I read on this forum is providers who seem to feel that this profession should be respected and viewed as a "real" job by society yet, some providers feel that it should also be a job in which we should be given free passes to do things with our families and/or outside of care hours with little or no notice to families enrolled and expect parents to come pick up their children or change their work schedules to accommodate the things we want to do just because we are the bosses and/or the ones in charge.

                    I truly believe parents want reliability and dependability. Not a provider who simply closes every time her own children have something going on and then expects the parents they have enrolled should just have to "deal with it" and figure out back up.

                    Whether you close a little, a lot or not at all for family related things is fine and dandy but no matter how often you close, it is still something that should be discussed IN DEPTH with the families you enroll BEFORE they enroll so they (the families) know if they need to be flexible at their jobs or if you are going to be available to them on a regular basis.

                    Providers need to let families know if they will be closing on short notice frequently or if they will always give adequate notice.
                    In the 20 years I have been taking care of children, I have never closed due to an appt. emergency, myself being sick, or graduation, just my planned, payed one week vacation a year... I am very reliable and professional that's why I am full with a waiting list and 90% would not have chosen me if I didn't do the field trips because I incorporate them into my preschool program...we are studying sea life this month ... so we go to the Aquarium

                    For my dd graduation coming in June. I have informed all my parents to pick up at normal closing time but I have planned to hire my usual Summer assistant to be here just in case because I don't trust some of the parents to pick up on time.

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                    • Crystal
                      Advanced Daycare.com Member
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 4002

                      #55
                      Originally posted by blackcat31
                      i answered in bold above.

                      One of this biggest things i read on this forum is providers who seem to feel that this profession should be respected and viewed as a "real" job by society yet, some providers feel that it should also be a job in which we should be given free passes to do things with our families and/or outside of care hours with little or no notice to families enrolled and expect parents to come pick up their children or change their work schedules to accommodate the things we want to do just because we are the bosses and/or the ones in charge.

                      I truly believe parents want reliability and dependability. Not a provider who simply closes every time her own children have something going on and then expects the parents they have enrolled should just have to "deal with it" and figure out back up.

                      Whether you close a little, a lot or not at all for family related things is fine and dandy but no matter how often you close, it is still something that should be discussed in depth with the families you enroll before they enroll so they (the families) know if they need to be flexible at their jobs or if you are going to be available to them on a regular basis.

                      Providers need to let families know if they will be closing on short notice frequently or if they will always give adequate notice.
                      amen!!!!!

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                      • Crystal
                        Advanced Daycare.com Member
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 4002

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Michelle
                        What do providers do when your own child gets sick from school? school buses don't transport for this.

                        What do you do if little Johnny gets a ride to a soccer game that you have to miss half of because a mom that gets off at 3:30 wants to get her money's worth and get her nails done because you close at 5.... and your Little Johnny breaks his arm and is being taken to the hospital?

                        What do you do if even after covering all you bases and you close at 12 p.m. and parents still don't show up and your dd or ds graduates in 4 hours? To get a good seat you would have to leave in 2 hours.

                        Side note... I would NEVER take my dck's on a city bus... I would not take my own kids on one. We are suppose to keep our kids from potential child abusers and you don't know who is on that bus.. they are not seat belted in,also being on the bus doesn't "magically" make other drivers drive better... The no seat belts and car seats scare me the most..also.

                        I have been driving for 25 years and have never even been pulled over or received a ticket.. My parents totally trust me and I love that!
                        I think that these situations are VERY different than attending field trips. If I had an emergency and had to load the kids up, I would. If, as it has been, my child was graduating, I would close early or close for the day, using one of my paid days off in order to do so. This was not your original inquiry, and you were very insulting to those providers who do not take children on field trips, insinuating that those providers are failing to provide special moments.

                        Your claim about public transportation and child molesters is absurd. You say the difference between the bus and the park is that the kids are on equipment at the park.....which, IMO puts them at greater risk because you cannot be within an arms reach of every single child, which could result in one getting snatched right off of the equipment and kidnapped....how would you stop it AND continue to monitor the rest of the children??? On the bus, at least they couldn't get far AND all of the children would be sitting WITH YOU, not on equipment ten feet away.

                        I think it is great for those provders and families who want the feld trip expereince, and if it works for all involved, fantastic. However, I think that there are just as many fantastic experiences possible without field trips and to insinuate otherwise is rude, at best.

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                        • Crystal
                          Advanced Daycare.com Member
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 4002

                          #57
                          And, FTR, I DO field trips, etc. BUT, the parents are involved and THEY transport their own children. We do many things with our families and the children expereince the field trips AND witness close parent/caregiver relationships as well.

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                          • Michelle
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 1932

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Crystal
                            I think that these situations are VERY different than attending field trips. If I had an emergency and had to load the kids up, I would. If, as it has been, my child was graduating, I would close early or close for the day, using one of my paid days off in order to do so. This was not your original inquiry, and you were very insulting to those providers who do not take children on field trips, insinuating that those providers are failing to provide special moments.

                            Your claim about public transportation and child molesters is absurd. You say the difference between the bus and the park is that the kids are on equipment at the park.....which, IMO puts them at greater risk because you cannot be within an arms reach of every single child, which could result in one getting snatched right off of the equipment and kidnapped....how would you stop it AND continue to monitor the rest of the children??? On the bus, at least they couldn't get far AND all of the children would be sitting WITH YOU, not on equipment ten feet away.

                            I think it is great for those provders and families who want the feld trip expereince, and if it works for all involved, fantastic. However, I think that there are just as many fantastic experiences possible without field trips and to insinuate otherwise is rude, at best.
                            I prevent abductions by having 3 adults walking around interacting with them at all times... The public bus where we live has every weirdo ,crazy, psycho you can imagine... I bought my20 year old dd a car to go to college so she does not have to sit next to them... Yes I know they can be at parks but my dh will rest assured they will not get anywhere near my sweet angels! Trust me on this! ::::

                            Crystal, do the parents that go on field trips ( I am assuming during work hours) not need daycare? Are they stay at home moms?
                            I am not implying that if a daycare provider can't do field trips, they are bad... I am just saying that there is such an advantage to those of us that do.
                            The only time I had a parent volunteer to go on a field trip was when we went to Disneyland and she works there so it was pretty awesome to get all the inside perks... I would love to have parents come.. but they are at work.

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                            • daycare
                              Advanced Daycare.com *********
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 16259

                              #59
                              I created a program called community in the classroom here in my city.

                              We leave the house every single day. Not all of the kids qualify to go on every field trip due to age appropriate or not, but for the most part every child leaves here daily by foot or car.

                              I believe the community takes an important role in helping to guide and build strong leaders. I believe it takes a community to help raise a child.

                              This program is what works for me and I am doing well with it. I do everything in my power to prevent and prepare for emergencies and accidents, but I'm not going to live life by the what if this what if that. Heck, a child could get stung by a bee on my property and die.

                              I am or for every family and I am ok with that. My offsite field trips, lessons, hikes, and community classes are my selling point. Either you love it or you don't.

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                              • Crystal
                                Advanced Daycare.com Member
                                • Dec 2009
                                • 4002

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Michelle
                                I prevent abductions by having 3 adults walking around interacting with them at all times... The public bus where we live has every weirdo ,crazy, psycho you can imagine... I bought my20 year old dd a car to go to college so she does not have to sit next to them... Yes I know they can be at parks but my dh will rest assured they will not get anywhere near my sweet angels! Trust me on this! ::::

                                Crystal, do the parents that go on field trips ( I am assuming during work hours) not need daycare? Are they stay at home moms?
                                I am not implying that if a daycare provider can't do field trips, they are bad... I am just saying that there is such an advantage to those of us that do.
                                The only time I had a parent volunteer to go on a field trip was when we went to Disneyland and she works there so it was pretty awesome to get all the inside perks... I would love to have parents come.. but they are at work.
                                We do all of them on the weekend when parents are not working.

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