Gay Marriage

[Country Kids]

Curious.........but does this same theory apply to someone who wants to marry their sister/brother or first cousin, aunt or uncle?

I am not trying to bring a separate debate into this already "warm" discussion, but that concept, idea and thought process has been mentioned several times throughout this thread so I am curious as to what situations as far as marrying the person you love it applies to?

I don't know if anyone remembers this but Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin and they did have a baby! He was kicked out of England for this when he went to do a concert. I think also, he wasn't allowed to perform in America either.

Wait though, that was during the 50's (many morals were still in place).

[Lyss]

I know you weren't speaking to me in general and thanks for saying that-

Question though-when I expressed MY opinion and took God OUT of it, I was called disgusting and a hater. That was without anything of God mentioned.
See even taking God out of it and expressing my thoughts didn't changed anything. It didn't matter if it was because of my faith or without.

I bet though if I had said, I think this is why gays should be allowed to
marry/have children/etc. then I know there would have been no specific names said to me. Why is that?

I'm speaking of what was said to me personally, not what was said to others. I never called gay people any names, call them disgusting or straight haters. Did not say people that supported them were disgusting/call them names. These things were said to me though because I don't support gay lifestyles. So yes that did affect me personally.

From what I saw your post was about your religion and beliefs, there were several references to the bible, the Lord, and your interpretations/discussions of the bible. I'm not trying to "call you out," I just really didn't see where God was left out. BUT I think that this issue is heavily rooted in religion (obviously from this thread) so I understand your use of it in defense of your stance. I'm on the opposite side of you on this issue but I respect your right to believe what you want. :hug:

I'm not religious but I'm not naïve. Religion is large part of people's lives and identities so asking them not to believe or denounce it because they are "wrong" isn't fair, just as telling me I have to believe isn't fair. I just agree to disagree. There are those "haters" on both sides that take things to the extreme and do encourage hate but that is not the majority. Just like not all Muslims are terrorists, I know not all religious people are "haters" and I didn't think you were being one.

I just hoped people were above name calling It's not right no matter what side you are on.

Personally I've found this thread interesting, especially after seeing the religion poll. As stated I'm not religious but it's been informative and interesting to me getting to hear the other side.

[Lyss]

Whether a couple is going to procreate is irrelavent (sp?) since the couple could always adopt or be childless just like a gay couple could...................

So having children aside, how does the same theory apply to consenting adults who want to be in a committed relationship with the person they love?

What if a person loves two people? Can't 3 consenting adults be in a committed relationship too?

I just saw a show where a man was in a "relationship" with his car... Sexually and emotionally :confused:

[Binkybobo]

It may not be what is natura for you,but it is what is natural for them. That's what's most important. They could be in an unhappy marriage where the dad being in the closet would secretly step out on the mother with men. He could spend less time at the house while he is cheating. He could be a miserable father which "naturally" would not be good for the kids. ALl this or he could be in a happy gay marriage as described by the Academy of pediatrics. I don't care what goes into what openings as you described or who has a strap-on. YOLO. People deserve to live happy lives, and your fear of the unkown doesn't change that.

(Quote)The saddest part is that I am not even a christian. I believe religion can be good. It encourages people to love, help[, and be better people. On the other hand when religion is bad it can be very evil. I have had some great christians and Muslims in my life. They were loving without judgement. One was there when I gave birth to my first child at the age of 16. I love her. I know what Sister Sally believes, but she loves me and if anyone could convert me to Christianity it would be her. I worked with 2 Muslim ladies at my first job. They would go in the closet several times a day and pray. they never judged me. They brought me food every day for lunch. If anyone good convert me to Islam it would be these 2 Muslim ladies..not the people in line at Chick-fil-a waiting for hours. Religion is about love and peace. You can't convert gay people, but love is the way to get your message across.
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There are also many children in the system that never get adopted. The "age" out of the system at 18. They are on their own with no family to go home to for the holidays, no one to laugh about old times with, and no one to call them on their birthday..........


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One last comment on this and then I am off to bed.
I have read where it was acceptable in Roman and African cultures for men to have homosexual relationships. Look it up. There may be many more. There are many groups that now have rights that have never in the history of America or our world than ever before. You say that this has never been acceptable, but tell me when in the history of the world could people of any race, religion, background etc, work, learn, and eat together in one land peacefully without a war breaking out? Here in America I can marry or be friends with anyone of any religion or race without the fear of being killed. That would not have been possible 100 years ago. The argument that this has never been socially acceptable is then also not valid. This will bring you back to your original argument which is religion. Which I am not bashing, but the purpose of your post I am sure was to show me what other than religion makes you against gay marriage.


I hope you don't feel like I am the one who was name calling or hating Christians. I thought I had valid points. Again religion, and politics which is what the gay marriage debate is always going to be about are two subjects that will always get heated. I can't force you to accept these people. I just think people's feathers get a little ruffled by the great scripture debate and the WWJD debate of how we should treat people and what laws must be followed. This post in itself is not an attack on you. Just trying to clear my own name.

[CedarCreek]

Whether a couple is going to procreate is irrelavent (sp?) since the couple could always adopt or be childless just like a gay couple could...................

So having children aside, how does the same theory apply to consenting adults who want to be in a committed relationship with the person they love?

What if a person loves two people? Can't 3 consenting adults be in a committed relationship too?

I wouldn't say its irrelevant. You cant tell married people that they can't procreate. But for a hypothetical situation, sure. Marry your brother. Marry three of your brothers. Everyone is consenting, their life does not affect my life.

[nanglgrl]

I wouldn't say its irrelevant. You cant tell married people that they can't procreate. But for a hypothetical situation, sure. Marry your brother. Marry three of your brothers. Everyone is consenting, their life does not affect my life.

my thoughts exactly.

[Country Kids]

From what I saw your post was about your religion and beliefs, there were several references to the bible, the Lord, and your interpretations/discussions of the bible. I'm not trying to "call you out," I just really didn't see where God was left out. BUT I think that this issue is heavily rooted in religion (obviously from this thread) so I understand your use of it in defense of your stance. I'm on the opposite side of you on this issue but I respect your right to believe what you want. :hug:

I'm not religious but I'm not naïve. Religion is large part of people's lives and identities so asking them not to believe or denounce it because they are "wrong" isn't fair, just as telling me I have to believe isn't fair. I just agree to disagree. There are those "haters" on both sides that take things to the extreme and do encourage hate but that is not the majority. Just like not all Muslims are terrorists, I know not all religious people are "haters" and I didn't think you were being one.

I just hoped people were above name calling It's not right no matter what side you are on.

Personally I've found this thread interesting, especially after seeing the religion poll. As stated I'm not religious but it's been informative and interesting to me getting to hear the other side.

I had a whole post written that not once was the Bible nor my religious beliefs talked about-#115

This is a response back:This is disgusting. I can just about wrap my mind about what the issue is. Just admit that you are disgusted by homosexuals. Besides the obvious religious talk, you're just disgusted by homosexuals.

Nothing was said in this thread about religion, nor the Bible. This was my own beliefs with everything aside.

Not once did I say I hated them, call them names, or call the supporters names.

I was stating different things, most of them if not all were very obvious. I brought things to light and right away, its disgusting and I'm disgusted by homosexuals. I even comment on how I have had gay friends but didn't condone the lifestyle they led.

Guess the horse didn't fully die!

[Binkybobo]

Do you overeat?
Would you enter into a forced married with your rapist?
Do you eat Christmas ham, pork chops, or bacon?
Would you release your slave at the agreed upon age as written in the scripture?
Do you cover your hair in the sanctuary?

As I look back, I can see how it got a little heated and you may have felt attacked. I guess my thoughts come from the events that lead me to become agnostic or atheists. At one point I really tried to follow all of the scriptures because I thought i was not a "good christian" if I could not follow ALL of the rules. I just about lost my mind trying to be perfect. but if I think to my own message of religion helping people to become better I have to realize that your Christianity that gives you peace may not be of the same denomination or extreme level that I believed that I needed to be. I hope that you continue to do what makes you happy and I hope that doesn't cause other people hurt in the process. I have a tendency to take up for groups that I feel are being stereotyped, hurt, or treated badly because of my own life experiences. I feel the need to take up for them in extreme ways because I have been on the other end of a prejudice sword myself, hurt and with no one willing to speak up and defend me. It does hurt me to read that people think tat gay people may harm children or that they got that way because of trauma. When religion was brought in, I suppose that opened the door for it to be discussed? When one scripture is used and many others ignored it just opens the door for this type of heated debate. I am not really sure how I could have expressed my point any differently.

[Crystal]

As I look back, I can see how it got a little heated and you may have felt attacked. I guess my thoughts come from the events that lead me to become agnostic or atheists. At one point I really tried to follow all of the scriptures because I thought i was not a "good christian" if I could not follow ALL of the rules. I just about lost my mind trying to be perfect. but if I think to my own message of religion helping people to become better I have to realize that your Christianity that gives you peace may not be of the same denomination or extreme level that I believed that I needed to be. I hope that you continue to do what makes you happy and I hope that doesn't cause other people hurt in the process. I have a tendency to take up for groups that I feel are being stereotyped, hurt, or treated badly because of my own life experiences. I feel the need to take up for them in extreme ways because I have been on the other end of a prejudice sword myself, hurt and with no one willing to speak up and defend me. It does hurt me to read that people think tat gay people may harm children or that they got that way because of trauma. When religion was brought in, I suppose that opened the door for it to be discussed? When one scripture is used and many others ignored it just opens the door for this type of heated debate. I am not really sure how I could have expressed my point any differently.

I think you have expressed your point quite eloquently.

[Binkybobo]

I had a whole post written that not once was the Bible nor my religious beliefs talked about-#115

This is a response back:This is disgusting. I can just about wrap my mind about what the issue is. Just admit that you are disgusted by homosexuals. Besides the obvious religious talk, you're just disgusted by homosexuals.

Nothing was said in this thread about religion, nor the Bible. This was my own beliefs with everything aside.

Not once did I say I hated them, call them names, or call the supporters names.

I was stating different things, most of them if not all were very obvious. I brought things to light and right away, its disgusting and I'm disgusted by homosexuals. I even comment on how I have had gay friends but didn't condone the lifestyle they led.

Guess the horse didn't fully die!

Truce. I could point out more, but i just don;t see the point anymore? I could defend what I said, but I no longer care? The horse is in hospice taking extra shots of morphine...

[Lyss]

I had a whole post written that not once was the Bible nor my religious beliefs talked about-#115

This is a response back:This is disgusting. I can just about wrap my mind about what the issue is. Just admit that you are disgusted by homosexuals. Besides the obvious religious talk, you're just disgusted by homosexuals.

Nothing was said in this thread about religion, nor the Bible. This was my own beliefs with everything aside.

Not once did I say I hated them, call them names, or call the supporters names.

I was stating different things, most of them if not all were very obvious. I brought things to light and right away, its disgusting and I'm disgusted by homosexuals. I even comment on how I have had gay friends but didn't condone the lifestyle they led.

Guess the horse didn't fully die!

I wasn't trying to beat a dead horse I was just bringing up what I had seen and agree that you didn't say anything that was hateful or rude, you have your beliefs and a right to use them to support your views :hug:

[Heidi]

It does affect people more then you think. Look at this poll. It was asked what we thought. When people that said they didn't believe in it and why, they are called hater/disgusting/hiders behind their BIBLES/etc. We were asked something, we gave our thoughts, but it didn't go with the mainstream flow so we are wrong. Not one time was a name called out from the opposers. We didn't call gay people any bad names, didn't call the people that are supporters names any names. In fact many said they had friends that were gay but didn't condone the lifestyle. Thats like saying you have friends that drink/smoke but don't approve of it. Its a lifestyle choice either way.

Its just not here, its everywhere, schools, churches, workplaces. If you say your a Christian and don't believe in something, you will be flamed. Thats just how it is.

So yes, I may not believe in homosexuality/gay marriage and it may not affect me by practicing means but when I'm asked my opinion and give it, automatically I'm wrong, so yes it does affect me.

First....no one should be judging your beliefs, especially those asking you not judge theirs. I didn't read anyone here doing that, though. Pretty much what I've read here as far as opposing viewpoints is that they are saying "you can beleive what you want, just don't impose it on me". That is what I'm arguing. That you have every right to believe anything at all, that no one should interfere with that, but that you should allow others the same choices. Even if I think you're wrong, I am not forbidding you from thinking it, feeling it, or even picketing it, if you were so inclined. By the same token, I have a right to roll my eyes at your logic. Because we have those freedoms. We can respect each other's differences and still be friends. :hug:


What I AM asking you to do is practice what YOU beleive, and allow others to do the same. I would not tell you who to marry. I may not approve of blonds marrying brunettes. But, I would never support legislation to prevent them from marrying. KWIM?

[Heidi]

Curious.........but does this same theory apply to someone who wants to marry their sister/brother or first cousin, aunt or uncle?

I am not trying to bring a separate debate into this already "warm" discussion, but that concept, idea and thought process has been mentioned several times throughout this thread so I am curious as to what situations as far as marrying the person you love it applies to?

Ok...you KNEW that despite your protests I'd answer this...I promised...

Yes...if consenting sisters, brother, uncles, cousins, or whatever wanted to marry, I'd say so what? It would take generations of this to cause "inbreeding", and there are places in the world, and in this country where that does happen. If 3 or 4 people wanted to get married, I wouldn't care either. Consenting adults. Should they receive the same tax benefits, etc? I dont' know...would have to do more research on that.

Next question: should someone be able to marry a dog, a toaster, or a child? NO...only one party is consenting. The poor toaster can't say no, and consumating the marraige would be...electrifying...


sorry....couldn't resist

[nanglgrl]

Ok...you KNEW that despite your protests I'd answer this...I promised...

Yes...if consenting sisters, brother, uncles, cousins, or whatever wanted to marry, I'd say so what? It would take generations of this to cause "inbreeding", and there are places in the world, and in this country where that does happen. If 3 or 4 people wanted to get married, I wouldn't care either. Consenting adults. Should they receive the same tax benefits, etc? I dont' know...would have to do more research on that.

Next question: should someone be able to marry a dog, a toaster, or a child? NO...only one party is consenting. The poor toaster can't say no, and consumating the marraige would be...electrifying...


sorry....couldn't resist

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[CedarCreek]

Ok...you KNEW that despite your protests I'd answer this...I promised...

Yes...if consenting sisters, brother, uncles, cousins, or whatever wanted to marry, I'd say so what? It would take generations of this to cause "inbreeding", and there are places in the world, and in this country where that does happen. If 3 or 4 people wanted to get married, I wouldn't care either. Consenting adults. Should they receive the same tax benefits, etc? I dont' know...would have to do more research on that.

Next question: should someone be able to marry a dog, a toaster, or a child? NO...only one party is consenting. The poor toaster can't say no, and consumating the marraige would be...electrifying...


sorry....couldn't resist

I just died X-D

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