Gay Marriage

[Willow]

Michelle-

You have every right to feel the way you feel. You have every right to believe what you believe. The issue is...not everyone feels that or believes that. So, why do your (not you personally..general "you") beliefs trump anothers?

Gay people being allowed to marry does not affect YOU. You prohibiting them from marrying DOES affect them. That's the difference, in my mind. So, you can continue to have your beliefs, and I totally respect them. It's only when other's aren't allowed the same that I take issue.

I'm not directing this at you personally, please don't think so. I'm addressing the argument in general, which is "I think it's wrong, so it shouldn't be allowed". KWIM? It's two consenting adults, why is it our business to prevent, restrict, judge, or otherwise control?



I'm not trying to convince you to think it's ok...I'm trying to say, if you find it wrong, then don't do it.

Super well said Heidi!!!

[Blackcat31]

Michelle-

You have every right to feel the way you feel. You have every right to believe what you believe. The issue is...not everyone feels that or believes that. So, why do your (not you personally..general "you") beliefs trump anothers?

Gay people being allowed to marry does not affect YOU. You prohibiting them from marrying DOES affect them. That's the difference, in my mind. So, you can continue to have your beliefs, and I totally respect them. It's only when other's aren't allowed the same that I take issue.

I'm not directing this at you personally, please don't think so. I'm addressing the argument in general, which is "I think it's wrong, so it shouldn't be allowed". KWIM? It's two consenting adults, why is it our business to prevent, restrict, judge, or otherwise control?


I'm not trying to convince you to think it's ok...I'm trying to say, if you find it wrong, then don't do it.

Curious.........but does this same theory apply to someone who wants to marry their sister/brother or first cousin, aunt or uncle?

I am not trying to bring a separate debate into this already "warm" discussion, but that concept, idea and thought process has been mentioned several times throughout this thread so I am curious as to what situations as far as marrying the person you love it applies to?

[Country Kids]

Michelle-

You have every right to feel the way you feel. You have every right to believe what you believe. The issue is...not everyone feels that or believes that. So, why do your (not you personally..general "you") beliefs trump anothers?

Gay people being allowed to marry does not affect YOU. You prohibiting them from marrying DOES affect them. That's the difference, in my mind. So, you can continue to have your beliefs, and I totally respect them. It's only when other's aren't allowed the same that I take issue.

I'm not directing this at you personally, please don't think so. I'm addressing the argument in general, which is "I think it's wrong, so it shouldn't be allowed". KWIM? It's two consenting adults, why is it our business to prevent, restrict, judge, or otherwise control?



I'm not trying to convince you to think it's ok...I'm trying to say, if you find it wrong, then don't do it.

It does affect people more then you think. Look at this poll. It was asked what we thought. When people that said they didn't believe in it and why, they are called hater/disgusting/hiders behind their BIBLES/etc. We were asked something, we gave our thoughts, but it didn't go with the mainstream flow so we are wrong. Not one time was a name called out from the opposers. We didn't call gay people any bad names, didn't call the people that are supporters names any names. In fact many said they had friends that were gay but didn't condone the lifestyle. Thats like saying you have friends that drink/smoke but don't approve of it. Its a lifestyle choice either way.

Its just not here, its everywhere, schools, churches, workplaces. If you say your a Christian and don't believe in something, you will be flamed. Thats just how it is.

So yes, I may not believe in homosexuality/gay marriage and it may not affect me by practicing means but when I'm asked my opinion and give it, automatically I'm wrong, so yes it does affect me.

[jokalima]

It does affect people more then you think. Look at this poll. It was asked what we thought. When people that said they didn't believe in it and why, they are called hater/disgusting/hiders behind their BIBLES/etc. We were asked something, we gave our thoughts, but it didn't go with the mainstream flow so we are wrong. Not one time was a name called out from the opposers. We didn't call gay people any bad names, didn't call the people that are supporters names any names. In fact many said they had friends that were gay but didn't condone the lifestyle. Thats like saying you have friends that drink/smoke but don't approve of it. Its a lifestyle choice either way.

Its just not here, its everywhere, schools, churches, workplaces. If you say your a Christian and don't believe in something, you will be flamed. Thats just how it is.

So yes, I may not believe in homosexuality/gay marriage and it may not affect me by practicing means but when I'm asked my opinion and give it, automatically I'm wrong, so yes it does affect me.

100% agree

It does affect a great deal. Again, I don't expect non believers to understand, but I have a 2yr old and I feel threaten by the world, I am not trying to sound dramatic or making things bigger than they are, but that is how I feel. I've been having conversations with my husband that years ago , when I was not a mom, I would not even dream of having. I am concerned about schools, what they will teach my child that goes against my beliefs, I constantly think about homeschooling because private school is to expensive for me. I know that the battle I have is far greater that the one my parents had, because now everything is accepted and I know that by the time my child is a teenager this is going to be the new normal. After that something else is going to pass, someone else is going to say "I want equal rights" and the battle of acceptance will keep going. This is not about calling gay people names, or saying they are bad or hated by God, that is just not true. This is about having the world around me calling my God a liar and the battle that I would have if I send my child to school and they tell him something there and I say the contrary based on what I believe God wants, someone would be lying to my child, me or the system?

I am pretty sure that the person that opened this thread did not have this in mind, but people, please understand, if you want to know the "why's", it is true you don't have to accept it, but you don't have to be rude about it either. The fact that some of us decided to say why or give answer to some questions is not going to change no ones life, they are going to get married, they are going to adopt, it is going to happen. We on the other hand, have to try to keep our family values intact against a changing world that denies God each day more and more and that calls his people haters, liars, hypocrites and even say they are disgusted by us.

[Crystal]

I think this has been a fairly civil discussion. Both sides have disagreed and there has been a bit of "name-calling" from both sides, but all in all it has been a fairly decent discussion. I see no reason why it cannot remain that way, if everybody agrees to stop taking things personally :hug:

[CedarCreek]

Curious.........but does this same theory apply to someone who wants to marry their sister/brother or first cousin, aunt or uncle?

I am not trying to bring a separate debate into this already "warm" discussion, but that concept, idea and thought process has been mentioned several times throughout this thread so I am curious as to what situations as far as marrying the person you love it applies to?

In my opinion, I would say no the same theory would not apply. "inbreeding" is known to be possibly harmful. If that couple has children, they would knowingly be subjecting the fetus to possible disorders.

Once dh and I discovered that because of a genetic mutation, I would never have a healthy pregnancy/ baby, we made the decision to stop having children. It's not fair to put them into harms way.

[CedarCreek]

It does affect people more then you think. Look at this poll. It was asked what we thought. When people that said they didn't believe in it and why, they are called hater/disgusting/hiders behind their BIBLES/etc. We were asked something, we gave our thoughts, but it didn't go with the mainstream flow so we are wrong. Not one time was a name called out from the opposers. We didn't call gay people any bad names, didn't call the people that are supporters names any names. In fact many said they had friends that were gay but didn't condone the lifestyle. Thats like saying you have friends that drink/smoke but don't approve of it. Its a lifestyle choice either way.

Its just not here, its everywhere, schools, churches, workplaces. If you say your a Christian and don't believe in something, you will be flamed. Thats just how it is.

So yes, I may not believe in homosexuality/gay marriage and it may not affect me by practicing means but when I'm asked my opinion and give it, automatically I'm wrong, so yes it does affect me.

You don't get flamed for your beliefs. You get flamed for how you express your opinion on those beliefs and how you perpetuate this theory that since god governs your life, he also governs the law and in turn everyone else's life. And this is not the case.

I'm speaking to the general "you" and not you directly, ck. I quoted you though because you gave a good example.

[Luna]

It's far easier to manipulate religion to suit oneself than it is to acknowledge or adhere to it in it's true and actual form.

If people did most of this conversation would have never taken place.

I'm having a lot of trouble organizing my thoughts into a coherent post, but this comes very close to what I'm thinking.

[Country Kids]

You don't get flamed for your beliefs. You get flamed for how you express your opinion on those beliefs and how you perpetuate this theory that since god governs your life, he also governs the law and in turn everyone else's life. And this is not the case.

I'm speaking to the general "you" and not you directly, ck. I quoted you though because you gave a good example.

I know you weren't speaking to me in general and thanks for saying that-

Question though-when I expressed MY opinion and took God OUT of it, I was called disgusting and a hater. That was without anything of God mentioned.
See even taking God out of it and expressing my thoughts didn't changed anything. It didn't matter if it was because of my faith or without.

I bet though if I had said, I think this is why gays should be allowed to marry/have children/etc. then I know there would have been no specific names said to me. Why is that?

I'm speaking of what was said to me personally, not what was said to others. I never called gay people any names, call them disgusting or straight haters. Did not say people that supported them were disgusting/call them names. These things were said to me though because I don't support gay lifestyles. So yes that did affect me personally.

[CedarCreek]

I know you weren't speaking to me in general and thanks for saying that-

Question though-when I expressed MY opinion and took God OUT of it, I was called disgusting and a hater. That was without anything of God mentioned.
See even taking God out of it and expressing my thoughts didn't changed anything. It didn't matter if it was because of my faith or without.

I bet though if I had said, I think this is why gays should be allowed to marry/have children/etc. then I know there would have been no specific names said to me. Why is that?

I'm speaking of what was said to me personally, not what was said to others. I never called gay people any names, call them disgusting or straight haters. Did not say people that supported them were disgusting/call them names. These things were said to me though because I don't support gay lifestyles. So yes that did affect me personally.

I can see how that would effect you negatively. I don't think name calling is going to get any side anywhere. But none of us are going to change the others opinion though.

Let's all hug it out. :hug: (in a non gay way)

[Blackcat31]

In my opinion, I would say no the same theory would not apply. "inbreeding" is known to be possibly harmful. If that couple has children, they would knowingly be subjecting the fetus to possible disorders.

Once dh and I discovered that because of a genetic mutation, I would never have a healthy pregnancy/ baby, we made the decision to stop having children. It's not fair to put them into harms way.

Whether a couple is going to procreate is irrelavent (sp?) since the couple could always adopt or be childless just like a gay couple could...................

So having children aside, how does the same theory apply to consenting adults who want to be in a committed relationship with the person they love?

What if a person loves two people? Can't 3 consenting adults be in a committed relationship too?

[Country Kids]

I can see how that would effect you negatively. I don't think name calling is going to get any side anywhere. But none of us are going to change the others opinion though.

Let's all hug it out. :hug: (in a non gay way)

:hug:'s to you also!!!!!

If you knew me in person, you would see that I'm a believer in hugs!


No, we won't change others opiniions but when asked our thoughts, views, beliefs (personal or spiritual), no reason to attack with names and such because it doesn't go with yours.

I think this horse me actually be pretty dead except for BC question. Who knows though, it may rise from the dead later-

[Michelle]

Whether a couple is going to procreate is irrelavent (sp?) since the couple could always adopt or be childless just like a gay couple could...................

So having children aside, how does the same theory apply to consenting adults who want to be in a committed relationship with the person they love?

What if a person loves two people? Can't 3 consenting adults be in a committed relationship too?

[Michelle]

Let's all hug it out. (in a non gay way)

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Love you Country Kids..( in a non gay way!)

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and Black Cat!!!
:hug:

[Country Kids]

Whether a couple is going to procreate is irrelavent (sp?) since the couple could always adopt or be childless just like a gay couple could...................

So having children aside, how does the same theory apply to consenting adults who want to be in a committed relationship with the person they love?

What if a person loves two people? Can't 3 consenting adults be in a committed relationship too?

Remember when Tom and Roseanne Arnold had their girlfriend!

Wasn't there an uproar over that back then or was that so the 90's-