Gay Marriage

[Live and Learn]

The people that fights so hard for TOLERANCE is the most intolerant people towards Christians.

I completely understand what you are saying but it is a two way street isn't it?

I'm guessing that "some of the people who who fight so hard for tolerance" (as you say) may have been told that they will go to hell, or that their marriage doesn't count as legitimate because they weren't married in a certain type of building, or feel judged by many Christians because they are single and chose to have a child, or because they married outside of their ethnicity, or had their child's funeral picketted, or because they are gay or lesbian.

I live my life in a way that conforms to most Christian standards but there is absolutely no way I would ever affiliate myself with the Christians. For me it is the judgmental hypocrisy that sends me screaming in the opposite direction.

I say let any two adults who love each other marry if they want to. It doesn't take anything away from my marriage at all. lovethisShare the love.lovethis

[Binkybobo]

Academy of Pediatrics supports gay marriage.
Exerpt below:

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) supports civil marriage for same-gender couples – as well as full adoption and foster care rights for all parents, regardless of sexual orientation – as the best way to guarantee benefits and security for their children.



The AAP policy statement, “Promoting the Well-Being of Children Whose Parents Are Gay or Lesbian,” and an accompanying technical report will be published in the April 2013 Pediatrics (published online March 21).



“Children thrive in families that are stable and that provide permanent security, and the way we do that is through marriage,” said Benjamin Siegel, MD, FAAP, chair of the AAP Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health, and a co-author of the policy statement. “The AAP believes there should be equal opportunity for every couple to access the economic stability and federal supports provided to married couples to raise children.”



In a previous policy statement published in 2002 and reaffirmed in 2010, the AAP supported second-parent adoption by partners of the same sex as a way to protect children’s right to maintain relationships with both parents, eligibility for health benefits and financial security. The 2013 policy statement and accompanying technical report adds recommendations in support of civil marriage for same-gender couples; adoption by single parents, co-parents or second parents regardless of sexual orientation; and foster care placement regardless of sexual orientation.



“The AAP has long been an advocate for all children, and this updated policy reflects a natural progression in the Academy’s support for families,” said Ellen Perrin, MD, FAAP, co-author of the policy statement. “If a child has two loving and capable parents who choose to create a permanent bond, it’s in the best interest of their children that legal institutions allow them to do so.”



A great deal of scientific research documents there is no cause-and-effect relationship between parents’ sexual orientation and children’s well-being, according to the AAP policy. In fact, many studies attest to the normal development of children of same-gender couples when the child is wanted, the parents have a commitment to shared parenting, and the parents have strong social and economic support. Critical factors that affect the normal development and mental health of children are parental stress, economic and social stability, community resources, discrimination, and children’s exposure to toxic stressors at home or in their communities -- not the sexual orientation of their parents.



According to the policy statement, the AAP “supports pediatricians advocating for public policies that help all children and their parents, regardless of sexual orientation, build and maintain strong, stable, and healthy families that are able to meet the needs of their children.”




What is unfair about any of that?
Another quote I saw earlier states that Marriage predates Christianity, so Christianity should not be able to define it.
Looking past your religion, what are your personal issues with homosexuality? The excuse that the children will be ridiculed is not valid. I was told the same thing when I married outside of my race. I was asked how it would make the church family feel? What would my children go through? I have been happily married for 9 years. My children are happiy alive. It's my life, and my happiness.

[mom2many]

I do believe they should receive the same bennifets as married man/women do I just believe "marriage" is a man and woman.

This is how I feel. We have several close friends and family members that are gay and I believe they should have EVERY right that a man & woman have in marriage...BUT it needs to continue being called something other than "Marriage", like a "Union" or whatever else!

In my opinion, "Marriage" is defined by the union of man & woman, so it is wrong to use that word with same sex couples. Call it ANYTHING else you want and I'm completely fine with it all!

What someone wants to do in their own bedroom is their business and I truly do not care! However, I'm so tired of this "so called" fight for equality by gays. They ALREADY have the same EXACT benefits...it's just not called "marriage" in every state!!!!

Here in CA, we have voted on gay marriage and it did not pass, but somehow they think that the election meant nothing, even though that was what the majority wanted. Why even hold an election if the Supreme Court wants to arbitrarily over turn what the people of this state wanted. We might as well live in a dictatorship!

CA is extremely liberal and there is a huge concentration of gays, so I have to say it was shocking, when my vote was in the majority.

I truly believe in the sanctity of "marriage" & that will never change!

[CedarCreek]

Academy of Pediatrics supports gay marriage.
Exerpt below:

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) supports civil marriage for same-gender couples – as well as full adoption and foster care rights for all parents, regardless of sexual orientation – as the best way to guarantee benefits and security for their children.



The AAP policy statement, “Promoting the Well-Being of Children Whose Parents Are Gay or Lesbian,” and an accompanying technical report will be published in the April 2013 Pediatrics (published online March 21).



“Children thrive in families that are stable and that provide permanent security, and the way we do that is through marriage,” said Benjamin Siegel, MD, FAAP, chair of the AAP Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health, and a co-author of the policy statement. “The AAP believes there should be equal opportunity for every couple to access the economic stability and federal supports provided to married couples to raise children.”



In a previous policy statement published in 2002 and reaffirmed in 2010, the AAP supported second-parent adoption by partners of the same sex as a way to protect children’s right to maintain relationships with both parents, eligibility for health benefits and financial security. The 2013 policy statement and accompanying technical report adds recommendations in support of civil marriage for same-gender couples; adoption by single parents, co-parents or second parents regardless of sexual orientation; and foster care placement regardless of sexual orientation.



“The AAP has long been an advocate for all children, and this updated policy reflects a natural progression in the Academy’s support for families,” said Ellen Perrin, MD, FAAP, co-author of the policy statement. “If a child has two loving and capable parents who choose to create a permanent bond, it’s in the best interest of their children that legal institutions allow them to do so.”



A great deal of scientific research documents there is no cause-and-effect relationship between parents’ sexual orientation and children’s well-being, according to the AAP policy. In fact, many studies attest to the normal development of children of same-gender couples when the child is wanted, the parents have a commitment to shared parenting, and the parents have strong social and economic support. Critical factors that affect the normal development and mental health of children are parental stress, economic and social stability, community resources, discrimination, and children’s exposure to toxic stressors at home or in their communities -- not the sexual orientation of their parents.



According to the policy statement, the AAP “supports pediatricians advocating for public policies that help all children and their parents, regardless of sexual orientation, build and maintain strong, stable, and healthy families that are able to meet the needs of their children.”




What is unfair about any of that?
Another quote I saw earlier states that Marriage predates Christianity, so Christianity should not be able to define it.
Looking past your religion, what are your personal issues with homosexuality? The excuse that the children will be ridiculed is not valid. I was told the same thing when I married outside of my race. I was asked how it would make the church family feel? What would my children go through? I have been happily married for 9 years. My children are happiy alive. It's my life, and my happiness.

Beautiful. :hug:

[Lucy]

My feelings on the subject can be summed up in four words.

Live and let live.

[momofsix]

I base my beliefs and worldview on the Bible because I am a Christian.

I completely understand that a non-Christian would not give any authority to the Bible.

I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. It's a covenant between God, a man and a woman. It doesn't matter where a couple gets married. A building is not what validates a marriage. God instituted marriage right away when He created Adam and Eve.

I believe sex outside of marriage is a sin, whether it's before marriage or an affair. I believe homosexuality is a sin. But, it's no greater or less than any sin-be it gossip, stealing, murder...all sin is equal in the eyes of God. All of us are sinners and are only made righteous by the blood of Jesus. So any Christian that acts "holier" or "better than" anyone else is not truly following what the Bible teaches. As a matter of fact, Jesus had problems with the church people of his day more so than with the "sinners". I have a feeling that Jesus would show up at a gay wedding if He were on earth now just to teach the church leaders a lesson-because that's the kind of thing he did.


I know and love dearly a few people that are gay/lesbian. I really struggle with the fact that I know they didn't choose to be what they are any more than I chose to be straight. I just have to trust that the God I believe created them knows what he is doing now just as He did thousands of years ago when He inspired the writing of the Bible. His ways are not my ways and His thoughts are not mine...he is holy and I am a sinner.

I do support those who are in long term gay relationships having a civil union, I just prefer that it's not called "marriage".

[Michelle]

1. That shouldn't even be an issue for children to say "ew" about.

2. What you're talking about is bullying and I hear it's not tolerated in schools nowadays.

Every kid has to deal with being picked on for something in their life. Can you think of nothing that your own children will be bullied for? I would assume that you would be upset too over it.

kids are very cruel!
but why purposely do this to them? If my kids were bullied for something and it was because of something I was doing.. I would fix it or make sure I kept my private life private.. not flaunt it and force everyone to change the way they believe!
They have enough to deal with. kids are born with abnormalities and some are overweight , too thin, wear glasses or whatever but the two mommy and 2 daddy homes are something that is done on purpose and these poor kids have to go through their whole lives defending their parents immoral behavior.

I watched a little of Rosie O'Donels gay cruise program and whenever they showed the kids faces when the adults were talking about how other people treat them, the kids looked embarrassed, ashamed and looked down a lot...they were not all standing tall and proud and defending their parents and why should they have to? When they have those gay pride parades, it's pretty disgusting .. all dressed in drag, wearing hardly any clothes. How could kids be proud of this lifestyle?

They probably secretly wish they can have a mom and dad at home. Seriously? would you want your two dads going bra shopping with you? or teaching you about your periods? well anyways I know a lot of people want to flame me now..

Just to let you know I do have a niece that is going to have a mastectomy and is going through the whole sex change ordeal.. guess what? she has a boy friend! BUT he wants to be a girl! I just don't get it... :confused:

I love her with all my heart but I will not call her by her male name.. I just can't ..this stuff makes me so sad.

[Binkybobo]

kids are very cruel!
but why purposely do this to them? If my kids were bullied for something and it was because of something I was doing.. I would fix it or make sure I kept my private life private.. not flaunt it and force everyone to change the way they believe!
They have enough to deal with. kids are born with abnormalities and some are overweight , too thin, wear glasses or whatever but the two mommy and 2 daddy homes are something that is done on purpose and these poor kids have to go through their whole lives defending their parents immoral behavior.

I watched a little of Rosie O'Donels gay cruise program and whenever they showed the kids faces when the adults were talking about how other people treat them, the kids looked embarrassed, ashamed and looked down a lot...they were not all standing tall and proud and defending their parents and why should they have to? When they have those gay pride parades, it's pretty disgusting .. all dressed in drag, wearing hardly any clothes. How could kids be proud of this lifestyle?

They probably secretly wish they can have a mom and dad at home. Seriously? would you want your two dads going bra shopping with you? or teaching you about your periods? well anyways I know a lot of people want to flame me now..

Just to let you know I do have a niece that is going to have a mastectomy and is going through the whole sex change ordeal.. guess what? she has a boy friend! BUT he wants to be a girl! I just don't get it... :confused:

I love her with all my heart but I will not call her by her male name.. I just can't ..this stuff makes me so sad.

There are also many children in the system that never get adopted. The "age" out of the system at 18. They are on their own with no family to go home to for the holidays, no one to laugh about old times with, and no one to call them on their birthday..........

[jen]

kids are very cruel!
but why purposely do this to them? If my kids were bullied for something and it was because of something I was doing.. I would fix it or make sure I kept my private life private.. not flaunt it and force everyone to change the way they believe!
They have enough to deal with. kids are born with abnormalities and some are overweight , too thin, wear glasses or whatever but the two mommy and 2 daddy homes are something that is done on purpose and these poor kids have to go through their whole lives defending their parents immoral behavior.

I watched a little of Rosie O'Donels gay cruise program and whenever they showed the kids faces when the adults were talking about how other people treat them, the kids looked embarrassed, ashamed and looked down a lot...they were not all standing tall and proud and defending their parents and why should they have to? When they have those gay pride parades, it's pretty disgusting .. all dressed in drag, wearing hardly any clothes. How could kids be proud of this lifestyle?

They probably secretly wish they can have a mom and dad at home. Seriously? would you want your two dads going bra shopping with you? or teaching you about your periods? well anyways I know a lot of people want to flame me now..

Just to let you know I do have a niece that is going to have a mastectomy and is going through the whole sex change ordeal.. guess what? she has a boy friend! BUT he wants to be a girl! I just don't get it... :confused:

I love her with all my heart but I will not call her by her male name.. I just can't ..this stuff makes me so sad.

LOL...My sister is gay. She and her partner have two children, 17 and 15. Both of the kids when to stellar private schools (oddly enough, Catholic High School) and no one cared that they have two moms, not even the nuns.

Both kids are doing great. My niece just got a $38,000 scholarshipr for college next year. They have tons of friends, play in sports, and have two parents who adore them. My sister and her partner are both lawyers (they own their own firm) and my sister is a law professor. At the moment, they are in Paris...

I will agree with you on one thing...children shouldn't have to defend their parents. Perhaps if more people taught their own children to respect others, they wouldn't have to.

[Country Kids]

"Looking past your religion, what are your personal issues with homosexuality? The excuse that the children will be ridiculed is not valid. I was told the same thing when I married outside of my race."

I will say "A natual thing" alot in this post. What I mean by that is if it was suppose to be a way of life, it would have already been placed into nature and be a natural way of living.

If it is a natural thing, why then hasn't it been recognized and accepted since time began? Why over time has people not been more outspoken about it and lived open lives? Why be so secretive about it if thats the way God created them? It shouldn't have shocked anyone over the thousands of years if it were a natural thing.

I was a teenager/young adult in the 80's. It seemed there were so many gay people then that you couldn't keep up with it. Everyone seemed to come out of the closet. Remember when Rock Hudson came out! I remember "pretty boys" and walking into department stores to see men at the makeup counter. Why not push for it then? Why 30 years later? If we are to be accepting of it now, why wouldn't we have been accepting of it then.

A few years ago there was a "Man" in our state having children.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/man-woman-claims-months-pregnant-article-1.291001

Thats something that you really don't want to even try to explain to your children and you shouldn't have to. A homosexual couple know from the get go that they can't have a child natually and will have to have help. If it was suppose to be natural, then they would be able to try for their own children first. A straight couple won't know that till they have tried for awhile and alot of times there is an answer and they can actually have their own child from both parents.

If it is a natural thing, how about the intimate part of life? Two men are using openings that weren't made for sexual intimacy. Rectal cancer is a scare among gay men and its because of the the misuse of it. Lesbians have to use other attachments to be able to satisfy the partner as they weren't born with the part that is meant for that. If its natural they would have what was needed for the act.

Someone has to decide who is the husband and who is the wife. In a straight couple it is pretty evident. Also, if they do have a child, they have to decide who carries the baby (its not always the wife). In a straight couple, once again its prettys straight forward.

If its something that was meant to be, there would have been no laws set against it in the first place. It would have been an automatic that marriage was for anyone that loved each other, no matter their sexual orientation.

Now on the children part. I have taken care of two little girls in the past (within the last 5 years/different families). The first one called anyone daddy because she honestly wanted a daddy extremely bad. She had a dad but he really wasn't in the picture and she wanted one of her own forever. Mom was pretty happy single so not sure if one will be in the works.

The other little girl-dad was not in the picture at at. Mom met a wonderful man and they were married. I will never forget the day that the little girl looked at me and said "Mommy and ******* are getting married and we are changing his name to daddy!" She was soooooo excited for this.

For some reason (to me) I don't see a little one being excited for another mommy or daddy. They already have that role filled by someone and need the opposite sex of the parent to fill in the role that isn't there. Two men aren't going to know how it feels for that little girl (if they had one) to get her first period. They won't be able to say "oh, I know it can be a painful time of the month" as they have never experienced a period in their live, the pain of childbirth, developing breasts, maybe taking birth control and what can come from that. Same with two lesbians that may have a son. Boys go through many changes that women can't relate to.

I know there are many single parents out there but to find a truly single one is rare. Usually there is a girl/boy friend in the picture that they child may talk to or they do have their biliogical parent of the same sex if the parents are divorced.

These are just my thoughts on the subject as they were asked. I have had gay people in my life in the past but they knew I didn't condone their lifestyle. I didn't condone other people (relatives/friends) lifestyles for things they did with their lives-drinking, drugs, other issues in their lives. I can love these people as Jesus did but he wouldn't have condoned the livestyles they lived. I'm sure there are many more things I could think of but these are just right off the top of my head.

[CedarCreek]

kids are very cruel!
but why purposely do this to them? If my kids were bullied for something and it was because of something I was doing.. I would fix it or make sure I kept my private life private.. not flaunt it and force everyone to change the way they believe!
They have enough to deal with. kids are born with abnormalities and some are overweight , too thin, wear glasses or whatever but the two mommy and 2 daddy homes are something that is done on purpose and these poor kids have to go through their whole lives defending their parents immoral behavior.

I watched a little of Rosie O'Donels gay cruise program and whenever they showed the kids faces when the adults were talking about how other people treat them, the kids looked embarrassed, ashamed and looked down a lot...they were not all standing tall and proud and defending their parents and why should they have to? When they have those gay pride parades, it's pretty disgusting .. all dressed in drag, wearing hardly any clothes. How could kids be proud of this lifestyle?

They probably secretly wish they can have a mom and dad at home. Seriously? would you want your two dads going bra shopping with you? or teaching you about your periods? well anyways I know a lot of people want to flame me now..

Just to let you know I do have a niece that is going to have a mastectomy and is going through the whole sex change ordeal.. guess what? she has a boy friend! BUT he wants to be a girl! I just don't get it... :confused:

I love her with all my heart but I will not call her by her male name.. I just can't ..this stuff makes me so sad.

This stuff makes you sad? Jeez Louise..

I'll tell you one thing, I would have rather had 2 stable daddies raise me then the crap I was raised in. My mother didn't talk to me about my period or take me bra shopping. I would have loooved a stable home. Any stable home.

I will agree with you that no one deserves to see their parents wearing next to nothing. Gay or not.

[Binkybobo]

"Looking past your religion, what are your personal issues with homosexuality? The excuse that the children will be ridiculed is not valid. I was told the same thing when I married outside of my race."

I will say "A natual thing" alot in this post. What I mean by that is if it was suppose to be a way of life, it would have already been placed into nature and be a natural way of living.

If it is a natural thing, why then hasn't it been recognized and accepted since time began? Why over time has people not been more outspoken about it and lived open lives? Why be so secretive about it if thats the way God created them? It shouldn't have shocked anyone over the thousands of years if it were a natural thing.

I was a teenager/young adult in the 80's. It seemed there were so many gay people then that you couldn't keep up with it. Everyone seemed to come out of the closet. Remember when Rock Hudson came out! I remember "pretty boys" and walking into department stores to see men at the makeup counter. Why not push for it then? Why 30 years later? If we are to be accepting of it now, why wouldn't we have been accepting of it then.

A few years ago there was a "Man" in our state having children.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/man-woman-claims-months-pregnant-article-1.291001

Thats something that you really don't want to even try to explain to your children and you shouldn't have to. A homosexual couple know from the get go that they can't have a child natually and will have to have help. If it was suppose to be natural, then they would be able to try for their own children first. A straight couple won't know that till they have tried for awhile and alot of times there is an answer and they can actually have their own child from both parents.

If it is a natural thing, how about the intimate part of life? Two men are using openings that weren't made for sexual intimacy. Rectal cancer is a scare among gay men and its because of the the misuse of it. Lesbians have to use other attachments to be able to satisfy the partner as they weren't born with the part that is meant for that. If its natural they would have what was needed for the act.

Someone has to decide who is the husband and who is the wife. In a straight couple it is pretty evident. Also, if they do have a child, they have to decide who carries the baby (its not always the wife). In a straight couple, once again its prettys straight forward.

If its something that was meant to be, there would have been no laws set against it in the first place. It would have been an automatic that marriage was for anyone that loved each other, no matter their sexual orientation.

Now on the children part. I have taken care of two little girls in the past (within the last 5 years/different families). The first one called anyone daddy because she honestly wanted a daddy extremely bad. She had a dad but he really wasn't in the picture and she wanted one of her own forever. Mom was pretty happy single so not sure if one will be in the works.

The other little girl-dad was not in the picture at at. Mom met a wonderful man and they were married. I will never forget the day that the little girl looked at me and said "Mommy and ******* are getting married and we are changing his name to daddy!" She was soooooo excited for this.

For some reason (to me) I don't see a little one being excited for another mommy or daddy. They already have that role filled by someone and need the opposite sex of the parent to fill in the role that isn't there. Two men aren't going to know how it feels for that little girl (if they had one) to get her first period. They won't be able to say "oh, I know it can be a painful time of the month" as they have never experienced a period in their live, the pain of childbirth, developing breasts, maybe taking birth control and what can come from that. Same with two lesbians that may have a son. Boys go through many changes that women can't relate to.

I know there are many single parents out there but to find a truly single one is rare. Usually there is a girl/boy friend in the picture that they child may talk to or they do have their biliogical parent of the same sex if the parents are divorced.

These are just my thoughts on the subject as they were asked. I have had gay people in my life in the past but they knew I didn't condone their lifestyle. I didn't condone other people (relatives/friends) lifestyles for things they did with their lives-drinking, drugs, other issues in their lives. I can love these people as Jesus did but he wouldn't have condoned the livestyles they lived. I'm sure there are many more things I could think of but these are just right off the top of my head.

It may not be what is natura for you,but it is what is natural for them. That's what's most important. They could be in an unhappy marriage where the dad being in the closet would secretly step out on the mother with men. He could spend less time at the house while he is cheating. He could be a miserable father which "naturally" would not be good for the kids. ALl this or he could be in a happy gay marriage as described by the Academy of pediatrics. I don't care what goes into what openings as you described or who has a strap-on. YOLO. People deserve to live happy lives, and your fear of the unkown doesn't change that.

[Binkybobo]

Let me also add that straight people may also do some unnatural things in the bedroom. Its their business. I have never thought about someone's sex life in such detail. Why should it concern me?

[Binkybobo]

"Looking past your religion, what are your personal issues with homosexuality? The excuse that the children will be ridiculed is not valid. I was told the same thing when I married outside of my race."

I will say "A natual thing" alot in this post. What I mean by that is if it was suppose to be a way of life, it would have already been placed into nature and be a natural way of living.

If it is a natural thing, why then hasn't it been recognized and accepted since time began? Why over time has people not been more outspoken about it and lived open lives? Why be so secretive about it if thats the way God created them? It shouldn't have shocked anyone over the thousands of years if it were a natural thing.

I was a teenager/young adult in the 80's. It seemed there were so many gay people then that you couldn't keep up with it. Everyone seemed to come out of the closet. Remember when Rock Hudson came out! I remember "pretty boys" and walking into department stores to see men at the makeup counter. Why not push for it then? Why 30 years later? If we are to be accepting of it now, why wouldn't we have been accepting of it then.

A few years ago there was a "Man" in our state having children.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/man-woman-claims-months-pregnant-article-1.291001

Thats something that you really don't want to even try to explain to your children and you shouldn't have to. A homosexual couple know from the get go that they can't have a child natually and will have to have help. If it was suppose to be natural, then they would be able to try for their own children first. A straight couple won't know that till they have tried for awhile and alot of times there is an answer and they can actually have their own child from both parents.

If it is a natural thing, how about the intimate part of life? Two men are using openings that weren't made for sexual intimacy. Rectal cancer is a scare among gay men and its because of the the misuse of it. Lesbians have to use other attachments to be able to satisfy the partner as they weren't born with the part that is meant for that. If its natural they would have what was needed for the act.

Someone has to decide who is the husband and who is the wife. In a straight couple it is pretty evident. Also, if they do have a child, they have to decide who carries the baby (its not always the wife). In a straight couple, once again its prettys straight forward.

If its something that was meant to be, there would have been no laws set against it in the first place. It would have been an automatic that marriage was for anyone that loved each other, no matter their sexual orientation.

Now on the children part. I have taken care of two little girls in the past (within the last 5 years/different families). The first one called anyone daddy because she honestly wanted a daddy extremely bad. She had a dad but he really wasn't in the picture and she wanted one of her own forever. Mom was pretty happy single so not sure if one will be in the works.

The other little girl-dad was not in the picture at at. Mom met a wonderful man and they were married. I will never forget the day that the little girl looked at me and said "Mommy and ******* are getting married and we are changing his name to daddy!" She was soooooo excited for this.

For some reason (to me) I don't see a little one being excited for another mommy or daddy. They already have that role filled by someone and need the opposite sex of the parent to fill in the role that isn't there. Two men aren't going to know how it feels for that little girl (if they had one) to get her first period. They won't be able to say "oh, I know it can be a painful time of the month" as they have never experienced a period in their live, the pain of childbirth, developing breasts, maybe taking birth control and what can come from that. Same with two lesbians that may have a son. Boys go through many changes that women can't relate to.

I know there are many single parents out there but to find a truly single one is rare. Usually there is a girl/boy friend in the picture that they child may talk to or they do have their biliogical parent of the same sex if the parents are divorced.

These are just my thoughts on the subject as they were asked. I have had gay people in my life in the past but they knew I didn't condone their lifestyle. I didn't condone other people (relatives/friends) lifestyles for things they did with their lives-drinking, drugs, other issues in their lives. I can love these people as Jesus did but he wouldn't have condoned the livestyles they lived. I'm sure there are many more things I could think of but these are just right off the top of my head.

One last comment on this and then I am off to bed.
I have read where it was acceptable in Roman and African cultures for men to have homosexual relationships. Look it up. There may be many more. There are many groups that now have rights that have never in the history of America or our world than ever before. You say that this has never been acceptable, but tell me when in the history of the world could people of any race, religion, background etc, work, learn, and eat together in one land peacefully without a war breaking out? Here in America I can marry or be friends with anyone of any religion or race without the fear of being killed. That would not have been possible 100 years ago. The argument that this has never been socially acceptableis then also not valid. This will bring you back to your original argument which is religion. Which I am not bashing, but the purpose of your post I am sure was to show me what other than religion makes you against gay marriage.

[Willow]

I don't care which side of the fence you're on regarding this issue, but it's ludicrous to use the Bible for the basis of an argument.

It outlines many MANY things that 99.9% of Christians don't agree with or abide by.

Drives me nuts when anyone of any religion picks and chooses mere parts to try to make their point while daily they're going against much of what it says themselves.

Let only those without sin cast the first stone.....