Gay Marriage

[Binkybobo]

I disagree. I get what you are trying to say but no where in the definition of religion are the words love and peace.

As a matter of fact, most religious stories and situations are anything but peaceful and/or about love.


re·li·gion noun \ri-ˈli-jən\

Definition of RELIGION

1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion>

b(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness

4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

It is also my opinion that Jesus would rather have his message spread through love and compassion just as he showed the adulterous woman that day. Is jesus against adultery? Yes. He showed her love and compassion. He caught her with honey, and she became a sidekick of his.

[sammie]

You don't have to agree with it. I myself can't quite understand homosexuality, but denying someone a civil right is a message of hate.

I disagree...

[CedarCreek]

I disagree...

And why is that? What message do you think it sends? At the very least, it's discrimination and that is hateful.

Can't.stay.away.

[nanglgrl]

You don't have to agree with it. I myself can't quite understand homosexuality, but denying someone a civil right is a message of hate.

[Unregistered]

So should a church be forced to perform same-sex marriages if it goes against that churches belief system? Will churches be charged with hate crimes if they do not perform a religious marriage ceremony for a union they do not believe is marriage?

[CedarCreek]

So should a church be forced to perform same-sex marriages if it goes against that churches belief system? Will churches be charged with hate crimes if they do not perform a religious marriage ceremony for a union they do not believe is marriage?

Who said that?

[Binkybobo]

So should a church be forced to perform same-sex marriages if it goes against that churches belief system? Will churches be charged with hate crimes if they do not perform a religious marriage ceremony for a union they do not believe is marriage?

No. who would want to spend their special day somewhere they are not wanted? no one who is serious about equality and respects their mate and themselves would do that.
There is no way gay marriage is infringing on anyone else's rights. Let's not make it out to be that way.

[sammie]

I don't think it will turn sour. I am not here to attack anyone's religion. It just hurts me to see some of the terrible things that were written and all written in the name of Jesus. I hate it when people use religion to cover their own hateful feelings. I'd much rather have someone say that they are disgusted. I have had the scripture used against me for many reasons in my life. I've had ugly things said to me in the name of Jesus, but I knew that they were just using the bible as an excuse. Would Jesus wait in line at Chick-fil-a for 2 hours to get a sandwich just to rub it in the face of a gay person or would he be mentoring and loving that person during those 2 hours?

Just because people don't agree with their lifestlye doesn't mean that they hate them....

You don't have to agree with it. I myself can't quite understand homosexuality, but denying someone a civil right is a message of hate.

I disagree...

And why is that? What message do you think it sends? At the very least, it's discrimination and that is hateful.

Can't.stay.away.

Binkybobo stated that "I hate it when people use religion to cover their own hateful feelings". She is making some pretty big assumptions and generalizations. My point is that just because I do not agree with homosexuality does not mean that I hate people who are homosexual.

[Binkybobo]

Binkybobo stated that "I hate it when people use religion to cover their own hateful feelings". She is making some pretty big assumptions and generalizations. My point is that just because I do not agree with homosexuality does not mean that I hate people who are homosexual.

So you're point is that you support gay marriage?
People can tell me how much they love a certain group of people all they want. I've been told that all my life. I will not go into detail because this is about gay rights. Actions speak volumes. I am not even sure what your stance is. I am responding to the way religion is used to hurt. I guess I will have to go through your posts and see why you in particular feel attacked.

[nanglgrl]

And why is that? What message do you think it sends? At the very least, it's discrimination and that is hateful.

Can't.stay.away.

I'm right here with you I'm just trying not to comment because I know I can't change anyone's mind about this issue and I will end up saying something I regret. The arguments are always the same, important questions are constantly evaded, parts of the bible are quoted, scientific evidence is presented and the argument goes on and on. Take solace in the fact that there are more people on this board that are for gay marriage than against and that number is growing in our population as well.
Several of my college classmates were gay. Some of them didn't come out until after college because of fear.
My neighbor's dad is gay. He didn't come out until they were grown. I imagine because of fear.
This is a personal issue for me. I have a gay sister. She tried to pretend she wasn't and was in relationships with males (one relationship resulted in a son) but she finally came out. She was scared and tried to conform but couldn't. She's in the Navy. She fights for the freedoms of people who stand against her freedoms and sacrifices so much on a daily basis.
I never want to make someone go through their life being fearful. I would hate myself.
I believe in God. My God is kind, forgiving, loving and a joker (he made things like Flamingos and Platypus'). I think about this angry, vengeful God that some worship and I know I could never do that. If in my end days I found out that the angry God was it and that I was on the wrong side of the issue of homosexuality I would gladly go to hell.
I mentioned that my church has a gay pastor. My son's church is also progressive and accepting. His church is the "go to" place for all of the high school/college kids. The younger generation has this covered. I doubt this will even be an issue with my great grand-kids, maybe that's when we should have the marijuana debate. :: Then again the new pope is progressive and has called for peace..It will be interesting to see where that goes.
Eventually some of the people on this board will change their minds, some may decide it's wrong but most likely more will switch to acceptance. They will do it on their own time as some life circumstance effects them but will never change because they were given the facts. The facts have been out there forever and I've never heard anyone, no matter how good the argument is, end a debate on gay marriage by saying "Holy cow, you're right!"

[CedarCreek]

Binkybobo stated that "I hate it when people use religion to cover their own hateful feelings". She is making some pretty big assumptions and generalizations. My point is that just because I do not agree with homosexuality does not mean that I hate people who are homosexual.

I asked what message you thought it sent to deny a civil right. Not about you and binkys squabble.

[CedarCreek]

I'm right here with you I'm just trying not to comment because I know I can't change anyone's mind about this issue and I will end up saying something I regret. The arguments are always the same, important questions are constantly evaded, parts of the bible are quoted, scientific evidence is presented and the argument goes on and on. Take solace in the fact that there are more people on this board that are for gay marriage than against and that number is growing in our population as well.
Several of my college classmates were gay. Some of them didn't come out until after college because of fear.
My neighbor's dad is gay. He didn't come out until they were grown. I imagine because of fear.
This is a personal issue for me. I have a gay sister. She tried to pretend she wasn't and was in relationships with males (one relationship resulted in a son) but she finally came out. She was scared and tried to conform but couldn't. She's in the Navy. She fights for the freedoms of people who stand against her freedoms and sacrifices so much on a daily basis.
I never want to make someone go through their life being fearful. I would hate myself.
I believe in God. My God is kind, forgiving, loving and a joker (he made things like Flamingos and Platypus'). I think about this angry, vengeful God that some worship and I know I could never do that. If in my end days I found out that the angry God was it and that I was on the wrong side of the issue of homosexuality I would gladly go to hell.
I mentioned that my church has a gay pastor. My son's church is also progressive and accepting. His church is the "go to" place for all of the high school/college kids. The younger generation has this covered. I doubt this will even be an issue with my great grand-kids, maybe that's when we should have the marijuana debate. :: Then again the new pope is progressive and has called for peace..It will be interesting to see where that goes.
Eventually some of the people on this board will change their minds, some may decide it's wrong but most likely more will switch to acceptance. They will do it on their own time as some life circumstance effects them but will never change because they were given the facts. The facts have been out there forever and I've never heard anyone, no matter how good the argument is, end a debate on gay marriage by saying "Holy cow, you're right!"

You're totally right.

[Binkybobo]

I'm done beating this dead horse. My stick just broke. if anyone has anything new and life changing to say email me so I get a notification.

[Lyss]

That's one of the saddest and sickest things I've ever read.

Homosexuality isn't the result of trauma. It is inherent, just as your heterosexuality is.

If you want to deny what science has proven that's fine, but it is indeed fact.


A sibling pair I fostered for was adopted by a lesbian couple, they ate seriously some of the best patents I know. At the time they'd already adopted close to a dozen children out of the system? Although I consider myself an exceptional parent they had it more together with their giant family than I ever have had with my small one.


Don't paint them all with the same brush. It's really not any more fair than saying all men in heterosexual relationships are abusive and dangerous based on a dcd staying a little longer at drop off than might be necessary....

So should a church be forced to perform same-sex marriages if it goes against that churches belief system? Will churches be charged with hate crimes if they do not perform a religious marriage ceremony for a union they do not believe is marriage?

Read through the posts, its been said by people that support it that the church should have the option and choose if they do or don't allow it.

[My3cents]

CK - why not use the Bible to support a single argument? I suppose you can, just like I can then turn around and use it to peg you and your life as "wrong" in 100's of other ways.

The level of hypocrisy in Christianity has never ceased to amaze me. This countries Christians have plenty to say about governing marriage, abortion and sexual orientation....but who in that group has never taken a birth control pill? Held a job outside the home? Had intercourse outside of procreation purposes? Has premarital sex? Slept in the same bed as their spouse while they were having a period? Broke ANY of the 10 commandments?

Last I was aware sin was sin. God never had a conversation about level of sin, or about giving us as His followers the right to judge each other.

Doesn't it say smack dab in the same book several of you are using to defend your bias that only HE is the one allowed to hold such opinions - of anyone?

I never read any sort of disclaimer pre Genesis that said the Bible was a multiple choice choose your own adventure type book.....if it doesn't all apply then what's to say the parts you're arguing are valid do? Or any parts at all for that matter??

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