Gay Marriage

[Binkybobo]

....Seems to me there may be a few posters who may need to take a step back and take a breather.....

This discussion is NOT going to solve the issues and I surely don't want to see what has been a wonderfully intellectual and mature debate turn ugly.....

I don't think it will turn sour. I am not here to attack anyone's religion. It just hurts me to see some of the terrible things that were written and all written in the name of Jesus. I hate it when people use religion to cover their own hateful feelings. I'd much rather have someone say that they are disgusted. I have had the scripture used against me for many reasons in my life. I've had ugly things said to me in the name of Jesus, but I knew that they were just using the bible as an excuse. Would Jesus wait in line at Chick-fil-a for 2 hours to get a sandwich just to rub it in the face of a gay person or would he be mentoring and loving that person during those 2 hours?

[Heidi]

LOL...My sister is gay. She and her partner have two children, 17 and 15. Both of the kids when to stellar private schools (oddly enough, Catholic High School) and no one cared that they have two moms, not even the nuns.

Both kids are doing great. My niece just got a $38,000 scholarshipr for college next year. They have tons of friends, play in sports, and have two parents who adore them. My sister and her partner are both lawyers (they own their own firm) and my sister is a law professor. At the moment, they are in Paris...

I will agree with you on one thing...children shouldn't have to defend their parents. Perhaps if more people taught their own children to respect others, they wouldn't have to.

[Willow]

Contradiction and hypocrisy.

It's far easier to manipulate religion to suit oneself than it is to acknowledge or adhere to it in it's true and actual form.

If people did most of this conversation would have never taken place.

[My3cents]

LOL...My sister is gay. She and her partner have two children, 17 and 15. Both of the kids when to stellar private schools (oddly enough, Catholic High School) and no one cared that they have two moms, not even the nuns.

Both kids are doing great. My niece just got a $38,000 scholarshipr for college next year. They have tons of friends, play in sports, and have two parents who adore them. My sister and her partner are both lawyers (they own their own firm) and my sister is a law professor. At the moment, they are in Paris...

I will agree with you on one thing...children shouldn't have to defend their parents. Perhaps if more people taught their own children to respect others, they wouldn't have to.

Love this:hug: I have said it time and time again there is good and bad in all different types of people. I don't think evil discriminates- This is not evil, this is Love and God said........Love one another- I know many gay couples that have been together longer then most marriages! Just as there are extravagant straight people there are those people that are gay and are extravagant. Live and let live- I care for a gay couples children and they are the best parents and people and the kids love the parents with all their hearts. Love them-

I have to agree that I think fear not religion makes a person against gay people or puts up the debate about what true marriage is.

[Heidi]

This is disgusting. I can just about wrap my mind about what the issue is. Just admit that you are disgusted by homosexuals. Besides the obvious religious talk, you're just disgusted by homosexuals. Going into great details about what happens in their bedroom and throwing out hurtful stigmas and stereotypes like they got that way from trauma or they want your daughter. We have to protect our children and be on the lookout for anyone that may harm them sure..but that just rubbed me the wrong way. And preferring that children have gay aunt and uncle programs instead a real home? This is ludicrous. It is very sad. I feel for any LGBT person reading this page right now. My eyes tear up for you because I can only imagine what it feels like. I am embarrased that people would openly say some of the ignorant things that they say, but I am vindicated in the fact that I got no response which leads me to believe that I stumped you. Just another example of followers using the bible to spread a message of bigotry.
I myself think the sin of glutton is disgusting! People putting unnatural amounts of food in their bodies. Stretching their bodies out in sick ways...Pooping unnatural amounts of poop out of all kinds of openings. It sickens me,and you know they only got that way because they were molested. Yeah it makes them eat, so you better watch your kids because molested people molest others. I'm not gonna go against my bible! Obese people will have their day in hell for their sins! I don't think kids should be with fat people because they'll get fat and then they'll get made fun of. I think they should just have an assigned fat person to call them on their birthday.

Oh my! You got pretty riled up there, lady. I agree, but wow! (I assume you're using the "fat" people as a raw, gritty metaphor)

[Binkybobo]

Oh my! You got pretty riled up there, lady. I agree, but wow! (I assume you're using the "fat" people as a raw, gritty metaphor)

Lol. Most definitely. I hoped everyone would see that, but I think it is a pretty good comparison if sin is sin..

[My3cents]

I don't care which side of the fence you're on regarding this issue, but it's ludicrous to use the Bible for the basis of an argument.

It outlines many MANY things that 99.9% of Christians don't agree with or abide by.

Drives me nuts when anyone of any religion picks and chooses mere parts to try to make their point while daily they're going against much of what it says themselves.

Let only those without sin cast the first stone.....

yes yes and yeslovethis

[sammie]

I have mulled over posting on this thread but something in the back of my mind keeps bring this up and reading it.

I am a Christian and strive on a daily basis to follow the Lord and do what I feel is right.

Gay marriage I feel is not right and was not instituted to be between two people of the same sex. It is to be between a man and a woman. There are many,many places in the BIBLE that says this. No where does it say its ok for to people of the same sex to be married. No where-whether legal or not.

Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of the homosexuality going on in the city for one of the bigger examples in the BIBLE. It talks on how it is wrong in the New Testament as well. It is condemed throughout the entire Bible.

If God wanted people of the same sex to be married/together, I feel thats who he would have put on the earth first-not a man and a woman. If he had put to people on the earth of the same sex, guess what there would have been no more population! It would have stopped right there.

I also do not like how churches are suddenly OK with the whole issue because of the fear they are being put through. Nothing has changed in the BIBLE, its still the same now as it was in the beginning. I feel sometimes Christians go along with the flow because we are tired of the fight. We also, have had many things taken away from us but if we go against the grain we are instantly "Haters".

God doesn't make something that he considers "sinful". We all have choices in how we live our life. We have a right choice and a wrong choice. We have a choice to commit sin or not.

No where in the Bible does it say you have to be married in a church building to be considered married. This is again something that has been added to different religions. In fact there were no Church Buildings in the Bible. The church is actually the body of people that attend the church-the assembly. So to say you aren't married unless married in the church is not even correct. Saying you aren't married unless you were to be married in the church building would be correct. I find no mention of where a person is to be married in order to be considered married. In the BIBLE, Christians met in homes of each other and some do that to this day.

Alot is taken away and added to the Bible by man to make life easier for us. God did take quiet a bit away himself from the Old Testament to the New Testament. Because I believe something is wrong because of my faith doesn't make me a hater. Every day I see things that are wrong in our world that are slowly becoming the norm and at the end of the day, I have to look back and think did I do everything I could to make this a better world the way I was taught, raised and believe in.

I too have been mulling over posting on this thread but wasn't quite sure how to put my thoughts into words. Very well said CK!!

[Binkybobo]

It's far easier to manipulate religion to suit oneself than it is to acknowledge or adhere to it in it's true and actual form.

If people did most of this conversation would have never taken place.

The saddest part is that I am not even a christian. I believe religion can be good. It encourages people to love, help[, and be better people. On the other hand when religion is bad it can be very evil. I have had some great christians and Muslims in my life. They were loving without judgement. One was there when I gave birth to my first child at the age of 16. I love her. I know what Sister Sally believes, but she loves me and if anyone could convert me to Christianity it would be her. I worked with 2 Muslim ladies at my first job. They would go in the closet several times a day and pray. they never judged me. They brought me food every day for lunch. If anyone good convert me to Islam it would be these 2 Muslim ladies..not the people in line at Chick-fil-a waiting for hours. Religion is about love and peace. You can't convert gay people, but love is the way to get your message across.

[NeedaVaca]

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

http://livelonger.hubpages.com/hub/leviticus-homosexuality

[sammie]

I don't think it will turn sour. I am not here to attack anyone's religion. It just hurts me to see some of the terrible things that were written and all written in the name of Jesus. I hate it when people use religion to cover their own hateful feelings. I'd much rather have someone say that they are disgusted. I have had the scripture used against me for many reasons in my life. I've had ugly things said to me in the name of Jesus, but I knew that they were just using the bible as an excuse. Would Jesus wait in line at Chick-fil-a for 2 hours to get a sandwich just to rub it in the face of a gay person or would he be mentoring and loving that person during those 2 hours?

Just because people don't agree with their lifestlye doesn't mean that they hate them....

[Willow]

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

Luke 6: 37
1 Corinthians 4: 4
Matthew 7: 1-4
Galatians 5: 14
Romans 2: 1-3

I could go on and on here.....

Again, believe what you want to believe, but don't hide behind the Bible saying homosexuals deserve your judgement when that very book says it is just as sinful to make such assertions about others.

[Blackcat31]

Religion is about love and peace.

I disagree. I get what you are trying to say but no where in the definition of religion are the words love and peace.

As a matter of fact, most religious stories and situations are anything but peaceful and/or about love.


re·li·gion noun \ri-ˈli-jən\

Definition of RELIGION

1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion>

b(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness

4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

[Binkybobo]

Just because people don't agree with their lifestlye doesn't mean that they hate them....

You don't have to agree with it. I myself can't quite understand homosexuality, but denying someone a civil right is a message of hate.

[Binkybobo]

I disagree. I get what you are trying to say but no where in the definition of religion are the words love and peace.

As a matter of fact, most religious stories and situations are anything but peaceful and/or about love.


re·li·gion noun \ri-ˈli-jən\

Definition of RELIGION

1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion>

b(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness

4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Is it stated this way in the bible? How was it described by Jesus? love one another. Religions stop a lot of people from doing a lot of bad things. It aso causes radicals to do a lot of bad things. In my eyes as an atheist the benefits of religion are love. How would Jesus want you to spread his good word. It is easier to show love and compassion. You catch more bees with honey.