Gay Marriage

[Willow]

I will agree with you on one thing...children shouldn't have to defend their parents. Perhaps if more people taught their own children to respect others, they wouldn't have to.

Holy buckets, well said.

The ability or desire to conform should have NOTHING to do with someone living a life free of harassment by others.

[Michelle]

There are also many children in the system that never get adopted. The "age" out of the system at 18. They are on their own with no family to go home to for the holidays, no one to laugh about old times with, and no one to call them on their birthday..........

well, maybe some people (gay and straight) need to start an "aunt or uncle" type program where kids can go to their house for the holidays and be an advocate to call or something ( I figure everyone has a a gay relative somewhere .. so it wouldn't hurt) but gay adoption? No!
These kids in the system have been through enough.

My dd had a 2 mommy couple as parents on her softball league last fall and I barely knew them but every time we saw them.. one of them kept hugging my dd and staring at her.. asking her how she is doing with a weird stare..
I am not saying all gay people are pedo's but I think something majorly wrong happened in their lives .. like not enough love from their mom or dad.
Well anyways that's just my opinion.

[Country Kids]

I don't care which side of the fence you're on regarding this issue, but it's ludicrous to use the Bible for the basis of an argument.

It outlines many MANY things that 99.9% of Christians don't agree with or abide by.

Drives me nuts when anyone of any religion picks and chooses mere parts to try to make their point while daily they're going against much of what it says themselves.

Let only those without sin cast the first stone.....

I would say your 99.9% is a little high but why not use the Bible for an argument if we believe in it?

How do you know I'm going against much of what it says or even what my believe system is? One, I never said I was perfect but try to do the best in what I was taught and believe in. Two, it was asked it I believe Gays should be married and I gave what I believe in and what my personal opinion is.

Sounds like both were wrong answers of course. Was I shocked-no, expected yes.

The AAP gives what an answer (mans views) and its a right answer. Someone says what the Bible states and its wrong.

I live in a pretty libriel state but its not passing here either. It should tell you that when a state as big as CA doesn't pass it, the people have spoken, they don't want it!

Why do we even have to vote on it and cause such a stir? If its wanted that badly and SO many people want it, why isn't it just made a law? Many things are passed without voters approval, so why not this?

[Live and Learn]

I am not saying all gay people are pedo's but I think something majorly wrong happened in their lives .. like not enough love from their mom or dad.

Wrong!

1) Most pedophiles aren't gay. They are straight men.

2) People don't turn gay from not enough love from their parents.

Pedophiles and gay/lesbian are two completely different things. One is a predator adult who victimizes children. The other is a relationship between two consenting adults.

[Michelle]

"Looking past your religion, what are your personal issues with homosexuality? The excuse that the children will be ridiculed is not valid. I was told the same thing when I married outside of my race."

I will say "A natual thing" alot in this post. What I mean by that is if it was suppose to be a way of life, it would have already been placed into nature and be a natural way of living.

If it is a natural thing, why then hasn't it been recognized and accepted since time began? Why over time has people not been more outspoken about it and lived open lives? Why be so secretive about it if thats the way God created them? It shouldn't have shocked anyone over the thousands of years if it were a natural thing.

I was a teenager/young adult in the 80's. It seemed there were so many gay people then that you couldn't keep up with it. Everyone seemed to come out of the closet. Remember when Rock Hudson came out! I remember "pretty boys" and walking into department stores to see men at the makeup counter. Why not push for it then? Why 30 years later? If we are to be accepting of it now, why wouldn't we have been accepting of it then.

A few years ago there was a "Man" in our state having children.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/man-woman-claims-months-pregnant-article-1.291001

Thats something that you really don't want to even try to explain to your children and you shouldn't have to. A homosexual couple know from the get go that they can't have a child natually and will have to have help. If it was suppose to be natural, then they would be able to try for their own children first. A straight couple won't know that till they have tried for awhile and alot of times there is an answer and they can actually have their own child from both parents.

If it is a natural thing, how about the intimate part of life? Two men are using openings that weren't made for sexual intimacy. Rectal cancer is a scare among gay men and its because of the the misuse of it. Lesbians have to use other attachments to be able to satisfy the partner as they weren't born with the part that is meant for that. If its natural they would have what was needed for the act.

Someone has to decide who is the husband and who is the wife. In a straight couple it is pretty evident. Also, if they do have a child, they have to decide who carries the baby (its not always the wife). In a straight couple, once again its prettys straight forward.

If its something that was meant to be, there would have been no laws set against it in the first place. It would have been an automatic that marriage was for anyone that loved each other, no matter their sexual orientation.

Now on the children part. I have taken care of two little girls in the past (within the last 5 years/different families). The first one called anyone daddy because she honestly wanted a daddy extremely bad. She had a dad but he really wasn't in the picture and she wanted one of her own forever. Mom was pretty happy single so not sure if one will be in the works.

The other little girl-dad was not in the picture at at. Mom met a wonderful man and they were married. I will never forget the day that the little girl looked at me and said "Mommy and ******* are getting married and we are changing his name to daddy!" She was soooooo excited for this.

For some reason (to me) I don't see a little one being excited for another mommy or daddy. They already have that role filled by someone and need the opposite sex of the parent to fill in the role that isn't there. Two men aren't going to know how it feels for that little girl (if they had one) to get her first period. They won't be able to say "oh, I know it can be a painful time of the month" as they have never experienced a period in their live, the pain of childbirth, developing breasts, maybe taking birth control and what can come from that. Same with two lesbians that may have a son. Boys go through many changes that women can't relate to.

I know there are many single parents out there but to find a truly single one is rare. Usually there is a girl/boy friend in the picture that they child may talk to or they do have their biliogical parent of the same sex if the parents are divorced.

These are just my thoughts on the subject as they were asked. I have had gay people in my life in the past but they knew I didn't condone their lifestyle. I didn't condone other people (relatives/friends) lifestyles for things they did with their lives-drinking, drugs, other issues in their lives. I can love these people as Jesus did but he wouldn't have condoned the livestyles they lived. I'm sure there are many more things I could think of but these are just right off the top of my head.

wow well said.. I also wanted to touch on this very obvious physiological fact of just be the sex that you were born with and find the mate that "fits" your body! ::::::::

[Willow]

well, maybe some people (gay and straight) need to start an "aunt or uncle" type program where kids can go to their house for the holidays and be an advocate to call or something ( I figure everyone has a a gay relative somewhere .. so it wouldn't hurt) but gay adoption? No!
These kids in the system have been through enough.

My dd had a 2 mommy couple as parents on her softball league last fall and I barely knew them but every time we saw them.. one of them kept hugging my dd and staring at her.. asking her how she is doing with a weird stare..
I am not saying all gay people are pedo's but I think something majorly wrong happened in their lives .. like not enough love from their mom or dad.
Well anyways that's just my opinion.

That's one of the saddest and sickest things I've ever read.

Homosexuality isn't the result of trauma. It is inherent, just as your heterosexuality is.

If you want to deny what science has proven that's fine, but it is indeed fact.


A sibling pair I fostered for was adopted by a lesbian couple, they ate seriously some of the best patents I know. At the time they'd already adopted close to a dozen children out of the system? Although I consider myself an exceptional parent they had it more together with their giant family than I ever have had with my small one.


Don't paint them all with the same brush. It's really not any more fair than saying all men in heterosexual relationships are abusive and dangerous based on a dcd staying a little longer at drop off than might be necessary....

[Michelle]

Wrong!

1) Most pedophiles aren't gay. They are straight men.

2) People don't turn gay from not enough love from their parents.

Pedophiles and gay/lesbian are two completely different things. One is a predator adult who victimizes children. The other is a relationship between two consenting adults.

I know that!
I was just saying that "this" woman was always trying to hug my daughter and talk to her and I didn't want her to because I think I can choose who can talk to and touch my 9 year old daughter.. and by the way there are pedophiles that are women too!

[nanglgrl]

Natural?
Actually, some same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom.

[Live and Learn]

and by the way there are pedophiles that are women too!

That is why I said MOST are straight men.

[Willow]

CK - why not use the Bible to support a single argument? I suppose you can, just like I can then turn around and use it to peg you and your life as "wrong" in 100's of other ways.

The level of hypocrisy in Christianity has never ceased to amaze me. This countries Christians have plenty to say about governing marriage, abortion and sexual orientation....but who in that group has never taken a birth control pill? Held a job outside the home? Had intercourse outside of procreation purposes? Has premarital sex? Slept in the same bed as their spouse while they were having a period? Broke ANY of the 10 commandments?

Last I was aware sin was sin. God never had a conversation about level of sin, or about giving us as His followers the right to judge each other.

Doesn't it say smack dab in the same book several of you are using to defend your bias that only HE is the one allowed to hold such opinions - of anyone?

I never read any sort of disclaimer pre Genesis that said the Bible was a multiple choice choose your own adventure type book.....if it doesn't all apply then what's to say the parts you're arguing are valid do? Or any parts at all for that matter??

[nanglgrl]

That's one of the saddest and sickest things I've ever read.

I have to stop reading this thread.

[nanglgrl]

CK - why not use the Bible to support a single argument? I suppose you can, just like I can then turn around and use it to peg you and your life as "wrong" in 100's of other ways.

The level of hypocrisy in Christianity has never ceased to amaze me. This countries Christians have plenty to say about governing marriage, abortion and sexual orientation....but who in that group has never taken a birth control pill? Held a job outside the home? Had intercourse outside of procreation purposes? Has premarital sex? Slept in the same bed as their spouse while they were having a period? Broke ANY of the 10 commandments?

Last I was aware sin was sin. God never had a conversation about level of sin, or about giving us as His followers the right to judge each other.

Doesn't it say smack dab in the same book several of you are using to defend your bias that only HE is the one allowed to hold such opinions - of anyone?

I never read any sort of disclaimer pre Genesis that said the Bible was a multiple choice choose your own adventure type book.....if it doesn't all apply then what's to say the parts you're arguing are valid do? Or any parts at all for that matter??

Well said

[Binkybobo]

This is disgusting. I can just about wrap my mind about what the issue is. Just admit that you are disgusted by homosexuals. Besides the obvious religious talk, you're just disgusted by homosexuals. Going into great details about what happens in their bedroom and throwing out hurtful stigmas and stereotypes like they got that way from trauma or they want your daughter. We have to protect our children and be on the lookout for anyone that may harm them sure..but that just rubbed me the wrong way. And preferring that children have gay aunt and uncle programs instead a real home? This is ludicrous. It is very sad. I feel for any LGBT person reading this page right now. My eyes tear up for you because I can only imagine what it feels like. I am embarrased that people would openly say some of the ignorant things that they say, but I am vindicated in the fact that I got no response which leads me to believe that I stumped you. Just another example of followers using the bible to spread a message of bigotry.
I myself think the sin of glutton is disgusting! People putting unnatural amounts of food in their bodies. Stretching their bodies out in sick ways...Pooping unnatural amounts of poop out of all kinds of openings. It sickens me,and you know they only got that way because they were molested. Yeah it makes them eat, so you better watch your kids because molested people molest others. I'm not gonna go against my bible! Obese people will have their day in hell for their sins! I don't think kids should be with fat people because they'll get fat and then they'll get made fun of. I think they should just have an assigned fat person to call them on their birthday.

[CedarCreek]

I too have to stop reading this thread.

Aunt or uncle program instead of adoption?

These kids have been through enough?

Michelle, there is having a respectful, different opinion and then there is just being ludicrous.

Good luck with that.

[Binkybobo]

I too have to stop reading this thread.

Aunt or uncle program instead of adoption?

These kids have been through enough?

Michelle, there is having a respectful, different opinion and then there is just being ludicrous.

Good luck with that.

My thoughts exactly.