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I agree that is depends on the child's age and maturity level. A child that is just learning to use the toilet no way would be made to clean up, I would have them watch me do it and explain what I am doing.
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This is what I believe in as well and I havn't had a potty training "accident" yet in my DC. I personally don't participate in potty training in daycare until I believe that the child is ready and I have yet to have a potty training accident happen in my home. I have had a 4 yo already potty trained DCB wet himself a bit ago but it was strange for him and it turned out he had a bladder infection ... not exactly a potty training accident. In his case I had him change his own clothes and leave them in the bathroom sink. I bagged his clothes and cleaned the sink (it didn't get anywhere else). If I did have a DCK have a potty training accident I'd probably to the same if only because I'd want that mess cleaned up quickly where spilled milk could wait.
I teach enough about responsibility through other ways that I doubt that it would really matter if I had them clean their accidents or not. They clean up the toys they use, take one bin out at a time, use the toys properly or have them taken away, clean up their own spills and dishes after meals and snacks etc.
PS: Urine is only sterile while it is in the body of a healthy person. Some people that feel healthy may get infections and have bacteria in their urine and not even know it. You don't want to know how many times I've gone to the Dr's for my dose of birth control and my urine results showed that I had a UTI. Bladder infections and UTI's are more common in kids than you think and I personally wouldn't want to take the risk of having one child with a bladder infection touch his/her urine and possibly contaminate daycare equipment. If I knew for sure that there was no possibility of infection then I wouldn't see it as a big deal as long as it wasn't as a form of punushment like many of you ladies have said.
Here is an interesting read that may get you to ponder:
ScienceDaily: Study Debunks Common Myth That Urine Is Sterile 2012Comment
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Here is another: http://aem.asm.org/content/70/12/7365.full
I concede :
:. Cleaning up Urine or Milk present a trivial amount of health risk.
I feel the bigger issue with this whole topic is the public perception, not actual risk.- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
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Which ones specifically?
The ones that have proved making a child feel ashamed (intentionally or unintentionally) for having a toilet accident is profoundly damaging to a child's psyche? The one's that have proved potty "training" is essentially pointless? The ones that have proved early training (before the age of 2.5) actually changes the structure of the bladder and rectum?Comment
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I do agree with this.
In this day and age if a provider can near lose her license for putting a child in time out is it worth the risk of having them clean up what a lot of adults themselves can't stomach? I can only imagine the issues many licensing departments would have with it.Comment
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Agreed. The article does say that it's the raw milk that may pose a risk. I personally don't serve, eat or drink anything made of raw milk. Of course I do eat raw oysters and those seem to have a warning attached to them as well :Here is another: http://aem.asm.org/content/70/12/7365.full
I concede ::. Cleaning up Urine or Milk present a trivial amount of health risk.
I feel the bigger issue with this whole topic is the public perception, not actual risk.:.
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The one that shows having a healthy, developmentally normal child help clean up a pee accident is damaging. I'm ho estly interested. I have never had a daycare child have a potty accident here but I have four kids of my own so a few have happened over the years. I usually say, "Oh sweetie you had an accident. Accidents happen so lets clean it up and move on." It honestly never occurred to me that this matter of fact view would be damaging or shaming.Comment
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And we wonder why society is crumbling. Now we can't enlist the help of a 3 year old with wiping up a little bit of their own pee pee? Maybe I have only cared for genius 3 year olds who understand cause and effect and taking responsibility for their actions- I have yet to come across a child who was psychologically damaged from being taught proper toileting.
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My guess would be when the parent says the child old enough. :confused:
IMHO, This is one of those times having a written "Toileting" policy is important. Professionally Speaking, It is not about age, it is about politics and liability.
Some parents feel their child is not "old enough" to clean it up if they are "young enough" to still be having accidents.
Some parents feel they paid you to do it FOR their child so it is part of your job. (this is where my clients are
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Some even spank for accidents at home, making our potty-time an absolute nightmare.
Anything to do with closed doors, naked bottoms and excrement is going to be a touchy subject.
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.Comment
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I think in the other thread people imagined a child sprawled out over a lake of urine and wiping it up. Usually the clothes catch most of the potty and there isn't much to clean up. I agree with you....this is how they learn. You mess it up, you clean it up. Logical consequence. Now diarrhea or vomit.....problably not the best teachable moment!Comment
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I think it had alot to do with the dcp's general attitude towards alot of thing. I don't think this was the type of dcp that had alot of patience and in my head from what was explained about him, I can picture him standing there with his hands on his hips while the child was cleaning it up. I think maybe that was the concern.
There have been so many children killed because of accidents. I'm not saying in daycare settings, but by parents.Comment
, but when she does come out, I'm going to ask her this question.
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