Children With NO Vaccinations!

[HappyEverAfter]

I agree the full disclosure should go both ways...

But I guess I am just having trouble understanding exactly what your vaccinated families are giving permission for?

*For their child to play with a non-vax'ed kid? (the vax'ed kid isn't the one at risk....)
*Permission for the non-vax'ed family to enroll? (that gives clients the idea that THEY get input in someone else's business)

What are they (vax'ed families) asked? ~ "Hey current families.... the Smith family wants to enroll here. Their child, Johnny Smith is not vax'ed. Are you okay with Johnny attending ABC Daycare?"

What if 5 out of 6 of your families are okay with it but one is not? Do you decline enrolling the Smith family then since they aren't vax'ed and your one current family isn't okay with them attending?


I am NOT trying to give you a hard time...as I said before I am pro-vax and don't enroll non-vaccinated kids at all.

I am just trying to wrap my head around how you implement this policy as I've seen/heard alot of different thoughts and ideas in regards to managing the non-vax/vax situation and this is the first time I've ever heard of a policy like yours so just trying to understand it better.

The vaccinated families would be giving me their feelings on me bringing an unvaccinated child into daycare. They would be asked something along the lines of “I’ve been interviewing potential families for the opening I have and wanted to let you know that there may be an unvaccinated child in consideration. Would this be something you would be comfortable with?”

If I had one hold out voting no, then I’d most likely move on to my next potential family and tell the non vaccinated family that I wouldn’t be enrolling them. Ultimately it will be my decision because it is my business, but because I really value my current families, I would want to make a decision that doesn’t jeopardize me losing them, especially when it’s over something like this since I personally don’t care either way if a child is vaccinated.

It is also worth mentioning that I have a very small daycare, only 4 kids, one of which is a relative and wouldn’t care about vaccines. If I had a larger daycare this probably wouldn’t be a policy simply because too many opinions would be put in the hat. With me only having to ask 2 or 3 families, it’s more manageable. It’s also worth mentioning that my daycare income is our extra money so if I have an opening that I don’t fill for awhile while I search for the right family, it won’t cause any problems in our household budget.

And I didn’t feel like you were giving me a hard time at all, so no worries there! One of the things I love most about this forum is hearing the different opinions of others. Seeing things from someone else’s perspective can be extremely helpful.

All of this said, it turns out that it doesn’t matter. As I was typing this, my husband just let me know that he accepted a job offer that will have us moving out of state and across the country which means my daycare will actually be closing soon. Looks like I’ll be losing those families I love afterall.

[hwichlaz]

Check your state’s exemption regs. There is probably a special form.

In my experience, non-immunized children have been healthier. My theory is that it’s because they aren’t fighting off the things they are exposed to while also fighting off everything injected into them. However, that means that they are MORE open to catching those illnesses if exposed. No immunization is 100% effective. I’ve had chicken pox go through my daycare twice since the vaccine became law. It hit the immunized and unimmunized kids equally...so that one isn’t very effective. :P I think it still needs more work.

[Annalee]

I know this is an old post and I have posted this before (even on this thread maybe), but I enrolled a nonvax family ONCE and will never do that again....their views just weren't my views at all. Only lasted a few months until I terminated and the dcm went psycho on me refusing to leave....but you HAVE TO ALLOW US TO FEED YOUR CHILD. She had major differences when it comes to how much an 11 month and four year old could eat....these kids were starving so they whined all the time till we fed them...I know where they are now and they are older but the center says they feel she in a sense "brainwashes" the kids....one is now school-age but I think she homeschools him but sends to daycare center...ironically this lady is a teacher at the local school.

[Miss A]

I know this is an old post and I have posted this before (even on this thread maybe), but I enrolled a nonvax family ONCE and will never do that again....their views just weren't my views at all. Only lasted a few months until I terminated and the dcm went psycho on me refusing to leave....but you HAVE TO ALLOW US TO FEED YOUR CHILD. She had major differences when it comes to how much an 11 month and four year old could eat....these kids were starving so they whined all the time till we fed them...I know where they are now and they are older but the center says they feel she in a sense "brainwashes" the kids....one is now school-age but I think she homeschools him but sends to daycare center...ironically this lady is a teacher at the local school.

Was it you who posted a while back about the DCM not sending enough breast milk for the baby and refusing to send more because she only wanted the baby fed a certain amount? I guess I could go back through the archives and look, but I always wondered how that baby turned out.

[Annalee]

Was it you who posted a while back about the DCM not sending enough breast milk for the baby and refusing to send more because she only wanted the baby fed a certain amount? I guess I could go back through the archives and look, but I always wondered how that baby turned out.

That was me on a thread from the past but not sure if it was this one. These parents never cease to amaze me.:confused:

[Unregistered]

Medical discrimination

Hello everyone, thanks for having me. I'm coming here as a new provider and as the mother of two medically exempt children. The biggest issue I have with this whole discussion is that, due to our lack of concrete knowledge about vaccines, and the debate being a bit heated, I'm reading lots of what sounds like discrimination out of fear. There are professionals on both sides who make valid arguments, but that's besides the point. Sounds like we are discussing how to handle this as professionals. If the law allows for medical exemptions, why in the world would it be ethical to dismiss or turn away a family from your care who has one? If the law in your state allows parents a personal beliefs exemption, then how can you justify going against that law and discriminating against a family who is making descisions fully within the law? I know nobody means it this way but I read a lot of what sounds like treating these unvaccinated families as if you need to make sure it's "ok" with others if their kids are around this "diseased", kid. Do you ask the other parents if it's "ok" for you to enroll a disabled child? How about a black child? This is how ridiculous it looks.

I am the parent of three children. One fully vaccinated age 14, one partially vaccinated in middle childhood now medically exempt, and a fully medically exempt infant. In my personal experience, my vaccinated child was constantly sick, and the other two are exceptionally healthy. Unvaccinated children are sick least often, as their immune systems are in better shape. Also, my middle son has behavior issues, which I noticed after I began vaccinating him. Behavior and mood problems are a side effect. Some families are more susceptible to vaccine reactions, yet NO Dr I have ever met screens for these possible contradictions prior to shooting your child up with a vaccine ****tail.....unless you ask....and most parents are too trusting to even fathom questioning their doctor.

Now, keep in mind pro vaccine campaigns play on fear...so let's be fair and let me share some stories from people I have met in real life. One friend had a cousin who suddenly died at age 2, just days after being vaccinated....and the Drs blamed it on SIDS...which by deffinition doesn't happen after age 1 I believe. I spoke to a mother who's son went on for years with no problems with vaccinations, then went for his middle school boosters and got very I'll and came down with Lupis. The university who treated him verified the vaccine caused it. So parents are also risking death or permanent disabilities when vaccinating.....so I don't suggest treating parents like freaks simply for not vaccinating...they are just trying to protect their children.

As a professional, it's none of my business. I would treat an unvaccinated child just like any other. My only business is making sure each child's file is complete; whether that be with an immunization card, medical exemption, or personal beliefs depending on the state. Complete file or incomplete file: that's as far as my nose and judgement should be going!

Philosophically it's kind of silly when you think about it.....there's no vaccine for aids....but suddenly if there were one....would you be more afraid of children who weren't vaccinated against aids? If so, why? Flue shots aren't mandatory...are you afraid of allowing children in who don't have their flue shot? How many people do you encounter at the grocery store who touch the same surfaces as you, are unvaccinated? ATMs? Gas pumps? Doors? Do you shake hands with people you meet? When these parents take their kids to the park or a play place....do they ask all the kids to prove they are vaccinated? When they get to public school do you think they are going to announce to parents there are unvaccinated children?

All I ask is to consider that parents who don't vaccinate obstain for the same reasons pro vaccine parents choose to go ahead with it.......both feel with GOOD reason, they are protecting their children from death or disability. And please don't think all parents who dont vaccinate are lunatics. I'm sure there are plenty of vaccinating parents who are nuts, so don't say you'll "never" accept an unvaccinated child, or "never again".....that's like saying you had a bad experience with a black child and so you'll "never again".

Talk to a holistic dr....get their opinion. Remeber....medical drs have their entire medical career (including textbooks) planned and mannaged by pharmaceutical companies.(good hearted people but trained drug pushers) So sometimes talking to them is like asking a car salesman to choose a car off his lot for you to buy. remember we are in a time when inclusion is big...and our society has become so much better for it.

[Pestle]

Not even going to address that tomfoolery ^

I took a call yesterday afternoon from a woman looking for summer care for her SA kid. She told me I had to take him because his school only requires her to write the sentence "We don't do vaccinations any more."

Not how it works; if you choose to keep your child in a state of vulnerability to fatal illnesses, deal with the consequences of the rest of the world keeping your child away from itself.

[amberrose3dg]

Not even going to address that tomfoolery ^

I took a call yesterday afternoon from a woman looking for summer care for her SA kid. She told me I had to take him because his school only requires her to write the sentence "We don't do vaccinations any more."

Not how it works; if you choose to keep your child in a state of vulnerability to fatal illnesses, deal with the consequences of the rest of the world keeping your child away from itself.

I cannot take kids that are not vaccinated . If they have a reason for a specific one but it has to be documented(by a doctor) as why that vaccine was not given. There are special forms to fill out etc... Luckily I have not dealt with children that aren't. I have had one or two parents who delayed them a little. I won't get into the vaccine debate either way but I think it is a little crazy to say vaccines cause behavior issues and lupus. I can also say that I've seen kids that were healthier because of xyz, but it is on the individuals immune system and what they have been exposed to. I have two exclusively breastfed kids(siblings) that are almost always sicker than the formula fed kids. Should I jump to conclusions formula makes you healthier, nope! It has something to do with those children's immune systems.

[Unregistered]

So for those that do vaccinate their children, have you ever read the ACTUAL package insert that comes with the vaccine?

[Pestle]

So for those that do vaccinate their children, have you ever read the ACTUAL package insert that comes with the vaccine?

Sorry, but I already believe in Jesus and am not interested in adding another faith system at this point in time.

[Blackcat31]

So for those that do vaccinate their children, have you ever read the ACTUAL package insert that comes with the vaccine?

Did you read the other posts in this thread?

It's NOT a debate about vaccines.

It's about how providers manage BOTH vaccinated and non-vaccinated children within their families and businesses.

[Leigh]

If the law allows for medical exemptions, why in the world would it be ethical to dismiss or turn away a family from your care who has one? If the law in your state allows parents a personal beliefs exemption, then how can you justify going against that law and discriminating against a family who is making descisions fully within the law?

It isn't illegal to refuse a child who hasn't been vaccinated. How is it ethical to NOT accept these kids? Because I won't put unvaccinated infants at higher risk of being exposed to an illness. Because I don't take on families whose parenting styles are not in line with mine. And, because I have preemie twins here who have been ordered to not be around unvaccinated kids (one has cancer and has NO immunity to vaccine preventable illness at this time).

I have no issues with denying unvaccinated kids. There are daycares who accept them, and that is their right, but I am not one of them. I require all kids to have an influenza vaccine by Nov 1 of every year, as well, since I have 5 kids with lung issues here (and I also am at increased risk with influenza).

I choose to believe the scientists at NIH, WHO, and the like to have proven that vaccine risk is very low compared to benefit, and appreciate the data that shows that diptheria, small pox, and polio are pretty much 100% eradicated from our country because of vaccination. Measles, rubella, HiB are 99.9% eradicated. That data makes me decide that vaccination is the right choice for most kids. Medically exempt kids, I understand that it is hard to find care for them, and I empathize, but they aren't my kids, so that is for their parents to worry about.

[Pestle]

Different people have different feelings about it. That doesn't make those feelings equal--we all believe there's a massive amount of scientific evidence to support our side and that the people pushing the other side are misguided at best and predatory at worst. We're all making decisions for our own businesses based on what we believe to be the best practice. And we're not going to change that because some parent calls us and tells us that "My doctor gave me a note so you have to accommodate me."

Nor are we going to change it because some internet slactivist links us to the blog that changed their life. True for vaccinations, true for diet, for sleep practices, for religion, political affiliation, and everything else that makes up our faith and practice.

[Unregistered]

I can’t believe all of you are so keen on waivers and money and fines but not one of you have listed the ingredients in the vaccines? For one, human diploid cell is listed on the package insert I don’t think any of you have asked the doctor for before administration. It lists it on the cdc site itself. It even lists sids and autism as a side effect amongst the hundred other side effects. It says formaldehyde solution, human diploid lung fibroblasts (aborted fetal tissue) chick embryo, bovine serum, monkey kidney, latex, peanut derivative, wheat germ, ect. And it states that GM yeast bacterial and viral DNA can incorporate into recipients DNA and cause unknown genetic mutations. Go read it all for yourself. I for one will forever refuse anymore vaccines after almost losing my son within 72 hours after 4 shots were administered. It took my son almost dying to do enough research to realize the industry became immune from lawsuit since 1986 and they were charged with knowing the SV cancer virus was contaminated in our polio vaccine in the beginning. That they were just fined over 15 billion and they just went back to doing it. That 75,000 have died from the MMR vaccine already and the billions in compensation to vaccine injured children. And guess what, the same people that own the patents, are in control of our media and pharmaceutical industry. My last two are by far the healthiest and it is well known natural acquired immunity is far better than injection that by passes your immune system and can overload and kill your liver,spleen, and appendix. We wonder where our autoimmune issues and allergies are coming from when they were unheard of before vaccination. That every disease declined before vaccines were ever introduced. Something that bypasses your blood brain barrier. We are to give no more than 26mcg max of aluminum to a child yet they are receiving 250mg on their first dose. Wonder about all those shaken baby syndromes where parents are out in jail and they say they never did it. It’s the encephalitis from the Dtap shot and the uncontrollable screaming. This world wants money. How is my child that has never even been exposed to the diseases you’ve injected into yourself a harm to you? If anything we are cleaner and safer than anyone who has been. And Remeber in 1990 you may have got 8-14 shots as you got older. They require 74 now with my kids. Screw that. If we were fine why more now? Why has our autism rate skyrocketed to every 1-1,000 ? And if I breastfeed my immunities for what I was vaccinated against, should be passed to my children anyways. Please do your research. And realize that vaccines shed anywhere from a couple weeks to a month. And every pertussis epidemic was caused by the ones vaccinated for it. They are the ones spreading it. Not the ones who have never been exposed. All info you can reseRch for yourself. Remember google sensors anything against vaccination even vaccine injured claims settled in court. Pinterest is the only thing left uncensored

[Unregistered]

It isn't illegal to refuse a child who hasn't been vaccinated. How is it ethical to NOT accept these kids? Because I won't put unvaccinated infants at higher risk of being exposed to an illness. Because I don't take on families whose parenting styles are not in line with mine. And, because I have preemie twins here who have been ordered to not be around unvaccinated kids (one has cancer and has NO immunity to vaccine preventable illness at this time).

I have no issues with denying unvaccinated kids. There are daycares who accept them, and that is their right, but I am not one of them. I require all kids to have an influenza vaccine by Nov 1 of every year, as well, since I have 5 kids with lung issues here (and I also am at increased risk with influenza).

I choose to believe the scientists at NIH, WHO, and the like to have proven that vaccine risk is very low compared to benefit, and appreciate the data that shows that diptheria, small pox, and polio are pretty much 100% eradicated from our country because of vaccination. Measles, rubella, HiB are 99.9% eradicated. That data makes me decide that vaccination is the right choice for most kids. Medically exempt kids, I understand that it is hard to find care for them, and I empathize, but they aren't my kids, so that is for their parents to worry about.

You are part of the reason kids are dying