Holy !@#T!!! Shortest Enrollment Ever!

[Cat Herder]

I would not worry too much. As a Mom reading that ad my first thought would be...

"Oh, wow... Your 3 year old daughter was HITTING her new provider, on her first day and you TOLD people that. I'd be so ashamed."

Of course she left out the part about her daughter kicking other children while they laid quietly on their nap mats.

THAT was the "hot button" issue for me. My clients would have hit the roof if I had allowed her to stay another day.

[nannyde]

My favorite part is the "I felt so disrespected as a parent" That answers all the questions we have had about her being embarrassed or surprised.


You don't get respect because you have had sex, given birth to a child, and can pay for child care or be low enough income to get free child care. NONE of those result in having another adults respect.

How you GET respect is by raising your children to be respectful and being respectful to others.

In order for someone to respect you as a parent you have to actually be good at being a parent. Being a good parent is HARD work. It's not bestowed upon you.

[Blackcat31]

If it continues, I will definetely be thinking about court. Although with an outstanding daycare bill elsewhere, I'm not sure what good that will do.

I just reported this to craigslist`there is a form you can fill out. What a PITA for 30 mins. of my time. Geesh.

Wait...this mom receives assistance AND has an outstanding daycare bill elsewhere (or with you)? If so, you might have some recourse.... Hmmm....

How do you know about the outstanding balance?

[sassysue]

Well it's still on there
I flagged it too,hopefully it will be off soon.
You could always post a reply to defend yourself.

[Cat Herder]

You could always post a reply to defend yourself.

Please don't.

It will backfire. Please Let hers speak for itself.

I understand the desire to, but I cannot imagine a good outcome.

[flightlessbird11]

Wait...this mom receives assistance AND has an outstanding daycare bill elsewhere (or with you)? If so, you might have some recourse.... Hmmm....

How do you know about the outstanding balance?

She actually mentioned that when she dropped off yesterday. I had asked about her county assistance case ( I had talked to her worker the day before to make sure she had an open case) and she mentioned that there was some hold up for their backpay for another month and that they owed this other place like $500. Then left. I literally stood there with my jaw firmly at the floor, then the preceding post happened.

[flightlessbird11]

Please don't.

It will backfire. Please Let hers speak for itself.

I understand the desire to, but I cannot imagine a good outcome.

I have no intention of giving her the satisfaction of a reply on my part. If anything, she is just making herself look silly. I have no desire to take part in her little game.

[Blackcat31]

She actually mentioned that when she dropped off yesterday. I had asked about her county assistance case ( I had talked to her worker the day before to make sure she had an open case) and she mentioned that there was some hold up for their backpay for another month and that they owed this other place like $500. Then left. I literally stood there with my jaw firmly at the floor, then the preceding post happened.

I PM'ed you.

[mommiesherie]

You have to do what is best for you and your day care. If you think terminating is best then its best for you. I would have done the same thing. If she owes the other center that amount of money then chances are she will owe you too. I am shocked she told you that honestly. Sounds like mom is the one with the bad behavior and the child is set for failure. This is truly unfortunate for this child. I am not equipped to deal with this type of family. Chalk this one up to an experience you will never forget.

[nannyde]

She actually mentioned that when she dropped off yesterday. I had asked about her county assistance case ( I had talked to her worker the day before to make sure she had an open case) and she mentioned that there was some hold up for their backpay for another month and that they owed this other place like $500. Then left. I literally stood there with my jaw firmly at the floor, then the preceding post happened.

How in the heck do you get 500 bucks behind when you have state assistance? I haven't had a state paid kid in many years but afaikn my state does NOTHING about stopping payment if the parent is behind in co pay. They have every other dang thing on computer. You think they would have a portal set up for providers to report the co pay not being paid. If the parent knew they were going to get bounced out for non payment it wouldn't happen.

[Blackcat31]

How in the heck do you get 500 bucks behind when you have state assistance? I haven't had a state paid kid in many years but afaikn my state does NOTHING about stopping payment if the parent is behind in co pay. They have every other dang thing on computer. You think they would have a portal set up for providers to report the co pay not being paid. If the parent knew they were going to get bounced out for non payment it wouldn't happen.

My guess is that she received services and then failed to do her part so that payment is delayed to the provider. I am also betting the provider she owes money to (before Momwith4) provided services with the mom's word that the service agreement is coming and she will be paid...when in reality, if you do not have the service agreement IN HAND, you should NEVER provide services. Same as pre-pay or no stay.

Old provider probably termed because the service agreement never arrived and then this mom ended up at Momwith4's child care with the same story.

IF the mom does end up doing whatever it is she needs to do, the payment WILL come eventually but after how many providers are screwed over first and how many providers have to endure an angry child who has been moved from one provider to another every time mom messes up....

FWIW~ Our state DOES suspend assistance IF the parent owes a provider money. They have x amount of days to pay it or set up a payent plan before the case is re-opened or closed.

[cheerfuldom]

The $500 might have been back pay, plus a two weeks notice, plus other fees....maybe even payment if her kid destroyed something, thats likely.

[countrymom]

thank goodness you termed them. Now its not even a question about the child hitting the provider, its what the mother is doing, that is not very good.

I hope you send this to your lisencerer, she needs to see this, because this women is going to go from one person to another till she is stopped. I would have termed the minute she said that she ows 500 dollars, I will gaurentee that you would never get your money.

[MyAngels]

NO

This kid was asked to do something she had done thousands of times. Asking a kid to lie down is NOT something that a normal kid would be violent about.

She wasn't force feeding her raw liver
She wasn't asking her to jump off a bridge
She wasn't asking her to run thru fire

She was telling her to LAY DOWN.

It's a horse that needs to be beat to death. We need to tell providers that they do NOT have to have violence in their home. They CAN make mistakes and not expect to get slapped hard across the face by a three year old.

She might have been in the wrong asking a kid to lay down immediately on her first day but that STILL is not a situation where a child should slap an adult.

If my three year old son had slapped an adult across the face I would have DIED inside. I would have been soooooooooooo apologetic to the adult. I would have frankly been a puddle of tears. It would DEVESTATE me that my son was raised so poorly that he felt comfortable hitting an adult much less a stranger adult who was asking him to do something he had done a thousand times before.

What did this Mom do? She acted like a Mom who has had her kid smacking HER. She knew that kid was violent and didn't tell the provider. She deserves to be let go immediately. Maybe now she will get her kid in check and not leave her in someone else's care until she can trust that her child won't hurt THEM.

It's not about the kid. It's about the adult. We should be able to do our jobs without living in fear of being smacked by little kids.

Enough already with the "it's normal" crap. I'm sick of it.

Amen to this.

I also flagged the Craigslist ad. Hopefully you can get this resolved soon. I would definitely contact an attorney about whether or not you have a case for libel. Make sure you keep a copy of the ad, in case you do.

[daycare]

Print out the ad from craigs list and put it in her file as proof.

Glad you went with your gut.. You have done a great job.

Sorry you are having to go through this.