Kicking Child Out of Daycare

[Unregistered]

Sorry mom for this trouble. I presume you thought the issue to report was bad enough to justify the report. And I hope you tried to discuss the issue with your provider. As a licensed provider, who has been served with a bogus report, I can tell you that in my community, this is what would happen. If you didn't first try to work it out with the provider and discuss the problem...by the end of the work day, every provider in my area would know there had been a report. You'd likely have to leave the community to find anyone licensed who would even interview you for a spot.

I think most parents just don't understand the trauma caused by a report. We are in fact, considered guilty until we prove ourselves innocent. In some cases, even bogus, we are closed until proven innocent. Imagine if you would, how your life would change if you were fired at 5:00 and no one in the city was allowed to hire you until you were proven innocent. That's what happens to us. We cannot legally provide care in that case. And unfortunately you are allowed to report anonymously. Fortunately, providers almost always know who it was as soon as we hear the report. But we can't face our accuser in a court of law.

I wish you well.

[MarinaVanessa]

There's a reason that the licensure process exists and that the complaints are SUPPOSSED to be confidential.

Yes they're supposed to be confidential and a state agent will not tell a provider who filed a complaint but come on think about. A provider has children in care. Parent has a complaint about let's say "sleeping on the job" and talks to provider or just gives provider a look of disgust. Provider knows parent is upset. Provider for whatever reason does not satistfy parent and so parent files a complaint with state. State comes out and investigates and questions provider about "sleeping on the job". Um ... looks pretty obvious to me who the parent that made the complaint was without needing to be told by the state agent.

Also, inspectors due not issue violations on complaints alone. They INVESTIGATE and if they find something wrong they issue violations. If there is not merit to the complaint, then why would the daycare provider sweat it?

Providers "sweat it" because that's somebody telling you that you're not doing your job right. Let's say that you have a child and you hold a playdate. Then you hear from somebody that the playdates parent is criticizing your parenting skills. Would you want to host another playdate for that family? I know I wouldn't.

Providers "sweat it" because even though it is just an investigation it still counts on our records. Even if it unfounded and dismissed it still there. Other people look at that and say "Oh they have a complaint." and get iffy about whether or not to take their own child. Regardless of whether there was any truth to it or whether it was dropped. We "sweat it" because any complaint no matter how small counts. No matter if it was dropped or not, it counts. No matter if it was true or not, it counts. It is still on their records. Their credability is now questionable and so is their reputation.

know if the daycare provider can, after kicking you out citing other factors, call all the other daycare providers in town and tell them not to take you because you are a complainer?

As a provider I that networks with other providers in my area I would hope that if they had a client that called the state on them and that client could potentially come to me for childcare that I would be given a heads up. And yes, they can. Not that it would matter anyway since most providers check references anyway and would call your last provider and find out why you left anyway. That raises a flag and I'd immediately look up the incident and call licensing and ask about it to the agent that handled it. Then I'd make a decision. I have to say that unless it was something serious like child abuse, negligence, an incident where a child got seriously hurt or something then I'd deny the parent and not provide services. In other words ... it better be serious enough to call for the need and not just because you don't like the way I do something. My thinking is, what's going to happen when we don't see eye-to-eye in our own situation. I'd be too afraid to be firm in my beliefs for fear of being reported to licensing for something so I'd just flat out deny you to begin with.

You may think that it's unfair for a provider to call other providers and "warn" them about previous clients but think about it. Parent gets upset calls licensing. Parent is doing what they feel is right and protecting the children and wants other parents to be warned (record is public and can be viewed by anyone). In return provider has state called and feels the need to protect the provider network and so calls providers to "warn" about parent. Again, I am talking about calling licensing about smaller issues. "Sleeping on job" for example. How are you going to prove that s provider was sleeping? Unless you took a photo or something you can't. How is licensing going to prove that they slept on job? Unless their sleeping through the visit they can't. Proper steps? Change providers. If you still felt the need to file a complaint (because sleeping on the job could pose a safety risk) the smarter thing to do would be to find alternative care then call licensing. I just don't see any issue where you are willing to stay being serious enough to call licensing.

I mean if it was really that serious then no parent would have the need to want to stay with that provider. Licensing is for times of serious issues. If you wouldn't leave the provider then the issue isn't serious enough to call for a compaint to licensing. Need to stay because a shortage of daycares? Bull. I as a parent would NEVER take my child somewhere that I was not comfortable with. No matter what. The safety of my child overrides my need to have childcare.

[misol]

Yes they're supposed to be confidential and a state agent will not tell a provider who filed a complaint but come on think about. A provider has children in care. Parent has a complaint about let's say "sleeping on the job" and talks to provider or just gives provider a look of disgust. Provider knows parent is upset. Provider for whatever reason does not satistfy parent and so parent files a complaint with state. State comes out and investigates and questions provider about "sleeping on the job". Um ... looks pretty obvious to me who the parent that made the complaint was without needing to be told by the state agent.



Providers "sweat it" because that's somebody telling you that you're not doing your job right. Let's say that you have a child and you hold a playdate. Then you hear from somebody that the playdates parent is criticizing your parenting skills. Would you want to host another playdate for that family? I know I wouldn't.

Providers "sweat it" because even though it is just an investigation it still counts on our records. Even if it unfounded and dismissed it still there. Other people look at that and say "Oh they have a complaint." and get iffy about whether or not to take their own child. Regardless of whether there was any truth to it or whether it was dropped. We "sweat it" because any complaint no matter how small counts. No matter if it was dropped or not, it counts. No matter if it was true or not, it counts. It is still on their records. Their credability is now questionable and so is their reputation.



As a provider I that networks with other providers in my area I would hope that if they had a client that called the state on them and that client could potentially come to me for childcare that I would be given a heads up. And yes, they can. Not that it would matter anyway since most providers check references anyway and would call your last provider and find out why you left anyway. That raises a flag and I'd immediately look up the incident and call licensing and ask about it to the agent that handled it. Then I'd make a decision. I have to say that unless it was something serious like child abuse, negligence, an incident where a child got seriously hurt or something then I'd deny the parent and not provide services. In other words ... it better be serious enough to call for the need and not just because you don't like the way I do something. My thinking is, what's going to happen when we don't see eye-to-eye in our own situation. I'd be too afraid to be firm in my beliefs for fear of being reported to licensing for something so I'd just flat out deny you to begin with.

You may think that it's unfair for a provider to call other providers and "warn" them about previous clients but think about it. Parent gets upset calls licensing. Parent is doing what they feel is right and protecting the children and wants other parents to be warned (record is public and can be viewed by anyone). In return provider has state called and feels the need to protect the provider network and so calls providers to "warn" about parent. Again, I am talking about calling licensing about smaller issues. "Sleeping on job" for example. How are you going to prove that s provider was sleeping? Unless you took a photo or something you can't. How is licensing going to prove that they slept on job? Unless their sleeping through the visit they can't. Proper steps? Change providers. If you still felt the need to file a complaint (because sleeping on the job could pose a safety risk) the smarter thing to do would be to find alternative care then call licensing. I just don't see any issue where you are willing to stay being serious enough to call licensing.

I mean if it was really that serious then no parent would have the need to want to stay with that provider. Licensing is for times of serious issues. If you wouldn't leave the provider then the issue isn't serious enough to call for a compaint to licensing. Need to stay because a shortage of daycares? Bull. I as a parent would NEVER take my child somewhere that I was not comfortable with. No matter what. The safety of my child overrides my need to have childcare.

Well said.

[Chickenhauler]

It's not so simple just to say find another daycare. In our community there is a shortage of daycare and our providers know it. So they feel invincible and it's quite un-empowering for parents that want to make sure their children are receiving adequate care for the $$ we are paying for it.

You have plenty of empowerment...if you don't like the care being provided at this location, go to another. If none are available that fit your expectations, open your own.

Sounds to me like a business opportunity.

There's a reason that the licensure process exists and that the complaints are SUPPOSSED to be confidential.

Yes, they are confidential, but it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to do the sleuthing of who was the guilty party in most cases.

Also, inspectors due not issue violations on complaints alone. They INVESTIGATE and if they find something wrong they issue violations. If there is not merit to the complaint, then why would the daycare provider sweat it?

IDK if this is true in all states, but in many, even if there is no basis for the complaint, and no violation is discovered, that complaint remains upon the providers record INDEFINITELY.

Then you factor in the whole "guilty until proven innocent" thing, and you can begin to see why this is a concern.

Part II: I'd like to know if the daycare provider can, after kicking you out citing other factors, call all the other daycare providers in town and tell them not to take you because you are a complainer?

Ethically, it's kinda low....but we have this thing called the First Amendment. That whole "freedom of speech" thing?

[Unregistered]

Happened to me too

My son was being put in an infant swing at age 11 months against my wishes....and against the manufacturer's recommendations for proper usage of the equipment. I talked to the director about the swing and about putting kids in a pack n play instead of the nice play area in the room. Turns out they had issues with the way the room was set up, but the director was in denial. She also said that no other parent complained about the swing. Even when I told her that a child that age is not recommended to be in the baby swing, she got gruffy and defended herself. Argh. She at least agreed to not put my son in the swing.

I immediately started looking for new daycare. I called the state to find out the rules for infant equipment, but did not file a complaint. But they went to the daycare anyway and my son was kicked out. There were some violations, but not for the improper use of infant equipment. Oh well.

And for daycares that call other daycares in the area, that is low and unethical.

[judytrickett]

Part II: I'd like to know if the daycare provider can, after kicking you out citing other factors, call all the other daycare providers in town and tell them not to take you because you are a complainer?

You might be surprised how many local providers forums there are and YES, most of them have a special section where they will let other providers know about problem parents or those easy to report providers.

[Unregistered]

complaints against childcare provider

Seriously everyone! This is not black and white! This person did what she felt she needed to do. Do you know the situation? Yes, most of you are providers and are biased!!!! I have been on both ends of this. I agree somewhat with what is in your responses but I know there are valid issues! It is not always a pleasant position to be in when you feel someone needs to step in. I do think talking is the best way. But there are PROVIDERS out there who are guilty! what if it was you in this situation? What if you tried talking, and talking, and you loved the childcare and the provider and the issue was out of concern for ALL the children in the facility??? Home daycare or school, or big daycare? Don't you realise that there are risks in just about any place? this person ( if she is being sincere and not just complaining, Should be able to get people to listen and get results). I care what happens to the children and employees. I understand perfectly the situation . Sometimes it is not about being dissatisfied with the quality of care but due to proceedures or bogus guidelines where there are other children causing dangerous or disruptive environments! The parent should not be dismissed because the other child is the one who should be removed. Or does that child have the right to continue as they are and maybe cause more then physical harm to several children... Because that is the guideline? It does happen. I have worked in many daycares, private and other. I have children in daycares now and am dealing with many issues because of their ideas on how to deal with disruptive and aggressive children. I am not a " whistle blower " but if someone feels that they need help and the state needs to check out the situation, why should they kick out the child as a solution? kinda makes them look bad!!! Especially if you consistantly witness these issues and episodes. But are told it is ( confidentiality ) if you inform your friend of their childs behaviors in the same class as your child. Then the providers tell you that they are not going to discuss other children .when you are the witness and they are getting paid to care for ALL the kids!!! Oh, and the state does help with many childcare services so they do need to stay on top of things. By law any witnessing or suspicion of neglect or abuse or danger is mandated reporting!

[Unregistered]

Can dayscares kick kids out.

My son has seizers and the daycare know about this. My son has a two problems of showing himself. They said one more time and he is out even though he is getting help. Can they do that.

[suzyQ]

child safety in daycare

Hello everyone, I am a concern parent. I don't know if any of you ever have this problem with your child's daycare or have any advice for me. I am concern about my child coming home everyday with sand in her head. she is two years old. Everday she comes she has sand on her face and in her head. I call the daycare, they said they have sand boxes and the children love to play in them. I told them I do not want my child to play in the sand, because it can get into her eyes. they said there's nothing they can do about it because its a requirement. what must I do? If I take her out of the daycare, I would have to continue paying the daycare until they find someone to replace my child. That what they said, but I dont remember reading anything like that.

[cheerfuldom]

you're seriously complaining because your child has sand in their hair? well welcome to daycare, school and kids in general. Sorry but you need to get over it. Be glad your daycare has plenty of outdoor space and time to let your child run around and have fun. She will let them know if sand gets in her eyes. Nothing a little water rinse can't fix.

[texascare]

WHEN YOUR CHILD COMES HOME MESSY
Red paint in the hair? Blue paint on the jeans?
Sand in the shoes? Peanut butter on a favorite shirt?
White socks that look brown? Sleeves a bit damp?

YOUR CHILD PROBABLY....

worked with a friend
solved a problem
created a masterpiece
negotiated a difference
learned a new skill
had a great time
developed new language skills

YOUR CHILD PROBABLY DIDN'T....

feel lonely
become bored
do a repetitive task that is babyish
do worksheets that are too easy
do sit down work that is discouraging


YOU PROBABLY....

paid good money for those clothes
will have trouble getting the red paint out
are concerned the caregiver isn't paying enough attention to your child


YOUR CAREGIVER PROBABLY....

was aware of your child's special needs and interests
spent time planning a challenging activity for the children
encouraged the children to try new things
was worried you might be concerned


Young children really learn when they are actively involved in play...not when someone is talking to them. There is a difference between "messy" and "lack of care." Your caregiver made sure your child was fed, warm, offered new skills and planned messy fun things to do because that's how your children learn!

Send your child in clothes that can get dirty! Keep extra clothes at the site for the times when the child gets really messy. But remember, your children need time to be kids.


~~~Author Unknown~~~

[jen]

Hello everyone, I am a concern parent. I don't know if any of you ever have this problem with your child's daycare or have any advice for me. I am concern about my child coming home everyday with sand in her head. she is two years old. Everday she comes she has sand on her face and in her head. I call the daycare, they said they have sand boxes and the children love to play in them. I told them I do not want my child to play in the sand, because it can get into her eyes. they said there's nothing they can do about it because its a requirement. what must I do? If I take her out of the daycare, I would have to continue paying the daycare until they find someone to replace my child. That what they said, but I dont remember reading anything like that.

Find your contract, I'm sure there is a policy on removing your child from care. There is no way in the world that they can force you to continue to pay indefinitely.

If you don't want your child to play in the sand, by all means pull her. If you chose to continue in a group daycare situation, please be aware that your child needs to participate in group activities, which, as long as they are safe, you will have little say over...most daycares have sand boxes or go to the park where there is sand and dirt. If you want to avoid these things, you will most likely need to hire a nanny to stay home with her.

Nanny's are meant for Mom's like yourself that want to have more control over their childs day. Good luck! Let us know how it turns out.

[Cat Herder]

Find your contract, I'm sure there is a policy on removing your child from care. There is no way in the world that they can force you to continue to pay indefinitely.

If you don't want your child to play in the sand, by all means pull her. If you chose to continue in a group daycare situation, please be aware that your child needs to participate in group activities, which, as long as they are safe, you will have little say over...most daycares have sand boxes or go to the park where there is sand and dirt. If you want to avoid these things, you will most likely need to hire a nanny to stay home with her.

Nanny's are meant for Mom's like yourself that want to have more control over their childs day. Good luck! Let us know how it turns out.

Jen, she started another thread called Child Safety...did you see it?

I think she realized this one was 3 years old....

[jen]

Jen, she started another thread called Child Safety...did you see it?

I think she realized this one was 3 years old....

I just saw it and posted there as well...

[Cat Herder]

I just saw it and posted there as well...

No need to

I had just noticed, too, as I was about to respond here....