Operating an Unlicensed Daycare

[Unregistered]

So she's stealing your business and you're pissed?

"People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things."

First of all, get yourself a spellchecker.....it's THEIR not THERE. Further, unlicensed daycare cast a pall upon all the good care providers out there that follow the law. What's wrong with the world is people like you that think only certain laws and statutes are important. Operating an unlicensed day care is the equivalent of operating a restaurant without the proper safety and cleanliness guidelines. If the woman wants to "make her money" then let her comply with the same statutes and laws that licensed day care facilities must abide by.

So she's taking business away from you...is that the problem?!

[Unregistered]

similar situation as your post

I have a similar situation as to the one you experienced. Where did you go to see if they were licensed or not?
If you have a minute - please get back to me asap colinmurphy@acnrep.com
Thanks again

I just turned in a resident in my town for operating an unlicensed daycare - I inspect daycares in Massachusetts as part of my job. This woman and her husband own a nice home and have two college kids. He, the husband works outside the home, full-time and she has five or six unrelated daycare kids at her house full time, Monday thru Friday. She has a pool, not fenced in and an unfenced yard.

Here in Mass., daycare rules are very strict, for a reason - the state runs Cori and Sori checks, inspects playground equipment - pools, everything! In Mass you also have to carry hefty liability insurance which is expensive. The State promptly came to her house and shut her down. (I knew she was unlicensed because I did my homework and called the State first) I hope she incurred a hefty fine as well. Who in their right mind would run an unlicensed daycare and care for other's children? Full-time daycare in Mass. runs $300 and up per child - I'd like to make about 60 to 70K, tax free, per year.

My son, who is in college, pays 43k per year to go to school - my husband and I have taken out huge loans to help him out and we both work full time and pay huge taxes. It's called greed, plain and simple and a lot of people think they are above the law. Shame on the parents of these children, as well, for not checking to see if this daycare was licensed in the first place. I stewed for about a year about this before I called the state. There is no excuse for this.

[Unregistered]

Mind your own

The person who has this problem is a hater! Let the woman make a decent living in the privacy of her own home. She is doing families a great service by watching their children, which is probably more affordable for them anyway. So STFU! #ThatIsAll

[Unregistered]

TN unlicened day care

I have been looking to starting a small day care to see if it is something i would like to do and open up a larger day care... i am unable to find information on an unlicensed day care for Nashville tn area. What information can u give me or tip insite anything would be a help

[Unregistered]

Why would you want to chance a law suit in the event of an accident,your home owners not paying because you are running an unlicensed day care( business) and not having training, what about being accused of wrong doing.I know of a unlicensed daycare right now that is going to get in trouble for hiding a child for a parent when they were given the court order and said it would not happen again but they did.

People seriously need to get a life and get their noses out of everyone else's.

To begin with.. 5 kids plus her own kids would look like a LOT of kids to the unexperienced eye. So she may be unlicensed but that doesn't mean she's operating illegally.

Secondly, just because someone is unlicensed does not mean they don't pay taxes. I have been unlicensed for 16 years and was licensed 6 years before that. I've always paid my taxes, so get over yourselves.

Thirdly.. It is true that more kids are hurt in licensed facilities than unlicensed. BUT, that doesn't mean that licensed is bad. But being licensed doesn't mean the facility is good either. It may just mean that more people choose to become licensed so they can get on the food program. So it stands to reason that there would be more children hurt in licensed facilities. For one thing, licensed facilities almost ALWAYS have more kids and more kids are more difficult to manage. I provide a much better service as a small unlicensed caregiver than I did when I was licensed for 10 kids all by myself PLUS my own 3 children that don't count against me in my state.

I've been in business 22 years without a single accident in my home. I pay my taxes and make a decent living. My parents and kids are happy.

[Unregistered]

Who Do you Contact?

Hi Can you please tell me who one is to report a unlicensed day care to?

[Blackcat31]

Hi Can you please tell me who one is to report a unlicensed day care to?

Remember there is a difference between unlicensed and illegal. NOT all unlicensed child cares are illegal.

In many states it is perfectly legal to watch children without being licensed.

Please know your state's laws before reporting anyone. Use this link:

https://www.daycare.com/states.html

It will have both your state requirements as well as who to contact if you are sure the person you want to report is actually operating illegally.

Remember UNLICENSED DOES NOT MEAN ILLEGAL IN ALL STATES.

[Unregistered]

First of all, get yourself a spellchecker.....it's THEIR not THERE. Further, unlicensed daycare cast a pall upon all the good care providers out there that follow the law. What's wrong with the world is people like you that think only certain laws and statutes are important. Operating an unlicensed day care is the equivalent of operating a restaurant without the proper safety and cleanliness guidelines. If the woman wants to "make her money" then let her comply with the same statutes and laws that licensed day care facilities must abide by.

Actually that is not a fair statement at all! I ran an unlicensed daycare for several years when I was a stay at home mom. Doing it this way allowed me to provide a VERY discounted rate to the parents of my daycare kids without some of the hassle and complications of being registered. In my daycare I followed all laws and regulations, fed healthy meals, and spent a great deal of time doing fun projects and small trips and things for the kids! In the several years since I quit doing that, I have had several of 'my parents' come and tell me how much their children miss my daycare or don't enjoy their new ones. Not to mention how much the parents miss my prices! It allowed me to charge a miniscule rate (usually $2 for first child and $1 for additional children) that allowed me some extra money while still home with my kids, but didn't KILL the parent's pocketbook! I would also like to mention that it is NOT the same thing as running a restaurant without proper cleanliness or safety, because that is ILLEGAL and it is NOT illegal to run an unregistered daycare! And I've known of several 'unlicensed' daycare providers that do a better job than some licensed ones!

[Unregistered]

The bottom line...

Ok, the bottom line is that her daycare being licensed or unlicensed doesn't matter! By your own statements, your issue is the parking and cars so here is your solution! You don't report your neighbor to any agency related to daycare! If a parent hits your car, you call the police on that parent! If a car blocks your driveway, you call a tow truck or once again the police! If the cars are just inconvenient to you or your guests but not breaking any laws, you get the hell over it! It sounds to me like you are trying to abuse a system that is there for reporting child abuse or concerns of child safety to get even for parking issues! That's abuse of that particular system and you should be ashamed of yourself!

[Hazel]

I am unlicensed but legal, meaning I only have 3 children unrelated to me at one time.... But my neighbor HATES me for numerous reasons (one, we believe is bc I get to be home and work and she doesn't).
She tried to report me to my local code enforcement officer and after his visit he said she has no basis for her call...she then called the police and said I (right at that moment) was abusing the kids! The police came withing 3 minutes of the call and I didn't even have kids here yet that day! I said he could wait until someone came to give personal testimony to my character but he declined saying he only came bc he HAD to ( he is well aware of this ladys bull since she has called about stupid stuff before).
She DOES constantly complain about the traffic issues outside our twin houses (usually by complaining loudly on her porch) but the traffic is also coming from the neighbor on her OTHERSIDE that also is unlicensed but ILLEGAL.. Yet she is great buddies with her! I have asked my parents to park on the side of my house since I am on the corner, so she can have the spot out front (which is TECHNICALLY in from of MY house.. But she thinks it belongs to her and has keyed MY fathers van for parking there)
It all stems from the fact that she thinks she can do whatever she wants and I stand up to her.. Like putting up a pool against my fence when the fence isn't to code for a pool! Her other neighbor is quiet and a bit timid and lets this lady walk all over her!
I looked into getting a license so I could have that sacred "piece of paper" but they said I couldn't watch children during the licensing process.... Well that won't work! I live off my income! And they said it takes about 3 months! Yea? No... So I upped my prices so I could survive off three kids and work a second job until I am in a position to be able to close to be licensed.
I follow ALL the state guidelines ( I was a director of a center for 4 years, so I am well versed) have my CPR cert, a bachelors degree and 20 years experience. I also have all my clearances including FBI.
Funny, I have been doing this for 10 years and she didn't complain until LAST winter when someone parked in her dug out spot a week after a snow storm! And it wasn't even a client in the spot! It was my heating contractor here to measure for my new boiler! They have also thrown snow onto my sidewalk bc we piled it up too high on the corner near her car!
The point is, yes, some unlicensed daycares maybe problematic, but unless you actually SEE something, why are you putting your nose where it doesn't belong? Cause that's all it is! In the daycare industry, we call that tattling! Telling on someone HOPING to get them into trouble!

[Building Blocks]

Hello, im in NY I can give you info you will need/want.

[Building Blocks]

daycare

Im all for his persons REPLY

This statement is not true. Just because someone runs an unlicensed daycare, DOES NOT mean they are not following the safety guidelines. I am an unlicensed daycare and follow the guidelines of my state. Just because someone isn't licensed does not mean they do not operate a quality program. I am sure just as there are "bad" unlicensed providers, there are just as many "bad" licensed providers. In my opinion, it simply comes down to people not minding their own business.
I am unlicedsed at this time I do go by the laws with only having 2 children or 3 if no more then 3 hours at a time plus my own dont count. I also had a family at one time pull there children out of a center to bring them to me.

[Unregistered]

Hi everyone! My name is Crystal. I realize I am new here, and I do not mean to offend anyone, but I'd like to share a story, that explains why I consider a license to be pertinent.

When I opened my program 13 years ago, I went through the licensing process. I knew a lady down the street from my home who, at the same time, chose to operate an unlicensed program, which is against regs here in Ca. unless care is only for one family. I chose to mind my own business, I knew her, she seemed like a fine person, as did her (what I thought was) husband, who did some volunteer work for the elementary school that my children were attending. I did lose out on a couple of potential clients, who decided that cheaper was the way to go, but I figure those parents were only thinking about the bottom line, so I probably didn't want them as clients anyway. She ran her business there for about three years, until one day I noticed helicopters flying overhead. This woman, who I never had an issue with, who seemed to be doing all the right things, had alot to hide, hence the reason for not being licensed. The man living in her home had been molesting her daughter (with Mom's knowledge) and had been molesting two three year olds attending her program for some time. He also had several prior felony convictions for drugs and assault charges and the provider herself had done jail time for other offenses. The man is now serving 25 years to life and she did time as well for not preventing it from happening.

I have kicked myself for years over not reporting her unlicensed program to licensing. I COULD have prevented children from being molested, but I chose to "look the other way" because her unlicensed program was "none of my business". In some regard, I have always felt responsible for what occurred in that home.

That being said, of course there are many, many unlicensed programs that go above and beyond. But without that background check, how do we TRULY know that the people operating these programs are who they say they are? Is it a gut instinct that parents should have about the person they are interviewing?

I will NEVER look the other way again. If I EVER come across an unlicensed program, it will immediately be reported, regardless of how clean their home is, how nice they seem to be, or whether or not I "see" any violations other than not having a license. As they say "never judge a book by it's cover" and I think that applies here.

This is a REALLY sad story. However, again, having a license has no bearing on whether people have the capacity to abuse children. If a child molester has no record, has not been caught, then nothing will prevent him/her from obtaining a license and abusing children. Its unfortunate, but true. In my state, its legal to run without a license if I adhere to ratio guidelines. I'm looking into becoming licensed so I can watch more kids, but I am deciding against it because I don't have the resources to attend all the training since I am already in business. They make it really hard to GET the license so I'm kind of stuck running as is.

A responsible parent will require a background check on a potential childcare provider. I would happily submit and PAY for it for anyone who required it, and volunteer one on my husband as well. You don't have to have a license to get a background check. I can go to my Sheriff's department and order them every single day if I want to.

[MamaG]

In my state you can be registered and not licensed. As I have been for 3 years. I follow all state laws and regulations. I have even taken child care classes even tho I don't have to. I want to provide high quality care. I just had no desire to have a bunch of kids so I didn't need a license. I have just turned in my packet to start licensing process.

[MamaG]

This is a REALLY sad story. However, again, having a license has no bearing on whether people have the capacity to abuse children. If a child molester has no record, has not been caught, then nothing will prevent him/her from obtaining a license and abusing children. Its unfortunate, but true. In my state, its legal to run without a license if I adhere to ratio guidelines. I'm looking into becoming licensed so I can watch more kids, but I am deciding against it because I don't have the resources to attend all the training since I am already in business. They make it really hard to GET the license so I'm kind of stuck running as is.

A responsible parent will require a background check on a potential childcare provider. I would happily submit and PAY for it for anyone who required it, and volunteer one on my husband as well. You don't have to have a license to get a background check. I can go to my Sheriff's department and order them every single day if I want to.

The DCG I've had 2 years came to me from a licensed home. That provider used words like 'nigger' and spanked her for knocking over a lamp. So yea a license doesn't mean anything in my book.