Temination Due To Transportation W/Out Permission

[Country Kids]

This so reminds me of the sunscreen thread from last week!

How some thought one thing, others thought another.

[mom2many]

Lic and regulations do not regulate anything to do with transportation at all. There is NOTHING in title 22 that covers transporting children for any reason at any time.

However, if you are transporting in CA, you must follow of the rules of the CA state laws in regards to transporting children and infants.....

I just got this confirmed with my licensing analyst. This is EXACTLY what she said as well.

I was concerned b/c Crystal claimed there was a form for this and I had never heard or seen it. Because I do transport to and from school this was extremely important to me to get the facts straight!

In regards to the OP, I understand why you are upset. I would NEVER have transported a child w/o a parent giving me permission to do so. However, since CA does not have any kind of written consent forms regarding transportation and as long as the provider used the proper car seat and followed the CA laws regarding using them, licensing will not have a reason to cite her per Title 22 regs.

I hope you will be able to find a new daycare that better fits your needs.

[Country Kids]

I just got this confirmed with my licensing analyst. This is EXACTLY what she said as well.

I was concerned b/c Crystal claimed there was a form for this and I had never heard or seen it. Because I do transport to and from school this was extremely important to me to get the facts straight!

In regards to the OP, I understand why you are upset. I would NEVER have transported a child w/o a parent giving me permission to do so. However, since CA does not have any kind of written consent forms regarding transportation and as long as the provider used the proper car seat and followed the CA laws regarding using them, licensing will not have a reason to cite her per Title 22 regs.

I hope you will be able to find a new daycare that better fits your needs.

So what form is Crystal using through the state I wonder?

[Blackcat31]

In regards to the OP, I understand why you are upset. I would NEVER have transported a child w/o a parent giving me permission to do so. However, since CA does not have any kind of written consent forms regarding transportation and as long as the provider used the proper car seat and followed the CA laws regarding using them, licensing will not have a reason to cite her per Title 22 regs. .

The provider may not be in trouble with licensing but the provider still voided her own contract by doing something that she KNEW the parent would not be okay with or had given permission for.

In my opinion, I think that releases the parent from any contractual agreement to pay for or give a 4 week notice.

I think the parent still has the right to remove her child from somewhere she no longer trusted as a safe environment and in those circumstances should not be forced to pay for services she couldn't realistically use.

NO ONE in in there right mind would leave their child somewhere they thought was a safety risk.

[sharlan]

Crystal, you have something that I have never heard of, either. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, just not in any of the forms I've ever been given.

When I first started 29 yrs ago, we received all of our forms on pad form directly from licensing. We didn't have to download the forms from their website. The analysts brought them to us.

[sharlan]

As a provider, I would never have taken the child in the first place. I make it VERY PLAIN from the interview on that I do not stay home all day. That we frequently go on outings at the last minute. Most of the time, I try to notify parents in advance, but if I'm taking a quick trip to the grocery store or out to lunch, I don't always notify the parents. Sometimes we walk to the park, sometimes we drive.

I have the parents sign a waiver up front. I would not take the child if they were to refuse.

[Country Kids]

The provider may not be in trouble with licensing but the provider still voided her own contract by doing something that she KNEW the parent would not be okay with or had given permission for.

In my opinion, I think that releases the parent from any contractual agreement to pay for or give a 4 week notice.

I think the parent still has the right to remove her child from somewhere she no longer trusted as a safe environment and in those circumstances should not be forced to pay for services she couldn't realistically use.

NO ONE in in there right mind would leave their child somewhere they thought was a safety risk.

It only voids it IF the permission slip was PART of the contract.

I'm wondering if all the other parents picked up or let the children be transported?

[mom2many]

This so reminds me of the sunscreen thread from last week!

How some thought one thing, others thought another.

Good 'Ol CA! ::

A little bit ago when I had licensing on the phone in regards to the transportation, I did ask her about the whole sunscreen issue as well... She ACTUALLY had to put me on hold to ask her supervisor, b/c she wasn't sure!

She said that centers need permission to apply, but FCH do NOT. I think that the instructor was just confused when she told us it applied to everyone. I learned my lesson...a simple call to licensing puts my mind at ease.

[mom2many]

So what form is Crystal using through the state I wonder?

Idk...I was told it does NOT exist! A provider can write up her own release authorization form, but the State could care less. It is not in our regs.

[Unregistered]

yes i did.. in fact, she texted me and said that i did not approve transportation therefore i would need to pick him up early.. and it was the DAY OF the game in which case i could not just tell my boss i wanted to leave

So after you get this text saying you need to pick him up early... what did you do??? Did you try to have an adult conversation/explanation with this provider...Or you just stayed passive waiting to see how far could you push your personal interests over this provider's personal life!!

Now, if this provider, as many others, had to give you a short notice due to her own illness... would you just ignore it the same way??!!! Do you really do not have a back up plan for these situations?????! ...or you just intentionally decided to not use it this time !!!

The provider was in the wrong... but I'm getting the impression that also this parent is intentionally trying to push this providers buttons and just used this event as an opportunity!

This seems to me more like a power struggle of "who's the boss" and it is so sad to see one parent jeopardizing his child safety and a provider jeopardizing her license for such a childish behavior!

[mom2many]

The provider may not be in trouble with licensing but the provider still voided her own contract by doing something that she KNEW the parent would not be okay with or had given permission for.

In my opinion, I think that releases the parent from any contractual agreement to pay for or give a 4 week notice.

I think the parent still has the right to remove her child from somewhere she no longer trusted as a safe environment and in those circumstances should not be forced to pay for services she couldn't realistically use.

NO ONE in in there right mind would leave their child somewhere they thought was a safety risk.

I totally agree with you! I would be furious if I was the OP.

I always make sure I get a parent's permission before I ever transport anyone and in most cases, they even provide their own car seats.

I also feel the contract was broken, when she failed to get permission and transported this child knowing the mom had not approved of it. I totally understand her issues with this and do not think she owes the provider anything!

This was not a good fit all the way around.

[daycare]

Good 'Ol CA! ::

A little bit ago when I had licensing on the phone in regards to the transportation, I did ask her about the whole sunscreen issue as well... She ACTUALLY had to put me on hold to ask her supervisor, b/c she wasn't sure!

She said that centers need permission to apply, but FCH do NOT. I think that the instructor was just confused when she told us it applied to everyone. I learned my lesson...a simple call to licensing puts my mind at ease.

sorry to Hijack this, but one thing that I do know for sure is that I have called the duty officer of the day only to be told something completely different than what I was told by my annalist then to have a manger call me back and tell me something completely different. CA stinks on making things CLEAR...

[Laurel]

The provider may not be in trouble with licensing but the provider still voided her own contract by doing something that she KNEW the parent would not be okay with or had given permission for.

In my opinion, I think that releases the parent from any contractual agreement to pay for or give a 4 week notice.

I think the parent still has the right to remove her child from somewhere she no longer trusted as a safe environment and in those circumstances should not be forced to pay for services she couldn't realistically use.

NO ONE in in there right mind would leave their child somewhere they thought was a safety risk.

Laurel

[Willow]

I don't understand why this provider ever accepted this family....

If the games were important to her and her family and this mom refused to sign the transportation form holy asking for hairy business there.

Why didn't mom address the text?

Why didn't provider ask at drop off that day what the plan would be after getting no.response to the text?

Why did she ever allow the drop off that morning without an agreed upon plan?


I would have required the transportation form if it was that important to me, and if I hadn't secured that form or got some response from mom when I notified her of the game I'd have never let her leave him in care that day......

[daycare]

I don't understand why this provider ever accepted this family....

If the games were important to her and her family and this mom refused to sign the transportation form holy asking for hairy business there.

Why didn't mom address the text?

Why didn't provider ask at drop off that day what the plan would be after getting no.response to the text?

Why did she ever allow the drop off that morning without an agreed upon plan?


I would have required the transportation form if it was that important to me, and if I hadn't secured that form or got some response from mom when I notified her of the game I'd have never let her leave him in care that day......

Willow, I am a little confused on this too, its hard to get things across sometimes when posting.

I agree, I dont understand why they entered into a business agreement together when it was clear from the start that they were NOT on the same page....