Temination Due To Transportation W/Out Permission

[kelliott]

Crystal I used the wording "awful parenting" in connection with the part where she was TOLD to pick up her child and didn't pick up her child. That's neglect as far as I am concerned. You're right it is the provider's right to go to her son's baseball games as she sees fit. And in her right to do so as a professional she needs to let parent's know that either A) she will transport them to the games along with her or B) they will have to pick up. The provider did this. The parent was in the wrong by agreeing that instead of having the provider transport the child she would pick him up and then failed to pick him up. The parent didn't pay the provider to watch her son over the provider's son's ball game times as per the contractual agreement the parent was to pick the child up over those times meaning the provider would not be paid to care for him over those times as the child was not suppose to be in attendance during those periods of time. Whether the parent would be putting her job on the line in this situation isn't the provider's problem. The parent is the one that agreed to pick her child up early for every game.

No one has defined what NOTICE IN ADVANCE means. I inform my families in advance (as soon as I know) of my fertility appointments and to me sometimes that notice means less than 12 hours.

You do not think that calling all of the parent's emergency contacts and getting the police involved (regardless of to what extent they can help) would not make the parent feel like a fool? That's ok because I think it would.

you are beyone immature..good thing i don't live in your town or have ever ran across your daycare.. i would be writing reviews glaore on ur awful attitude and childish comments.. stay off of this post!.. i am asking for opinions..and your's is below any and ALL others...

[Willow]

Crystal - to be fair, how many providers don't consider or simply don't give a rip about parents' feelings when they charge for time they're not actually caring for a child? Or for their own vacations. And holidays. And sick days. Etc. When they have to hand over loads of cash upfront for deposits, and to pay for services they haven't even yet been provided?

What you and others may consider good business practice others find abhorrent, so who's right?

I too wonder how providers stay in business with some of their practices but the fact of the matter is it's none of my business because it's no skin off my teeth. Providers can implement whatever they want to and if parents sign up then they need to gracefully accept the agreement that was made and abide by it.

Whatever a providers stipulations are, that's their own personal business and I don't think they deserve to be judged for them. Especially when we're only hearing one side of the story, especially when we could all sit here and pick each other apart for things we think are nuts. What would be the point?



I don't care the reasons behind this provider feeling the need to go to every single one of her child's baseball games. For all we know her child has terminal cancer and is dying, or is a senior who is starting this last season. Perhaps he's overcome something big in his life and it's important to him for his parents to see him now succeed in something he loves.

There was a breakdown of communication somewhere along the line. It happens to the best of us. I would assume licensing would have taken action if it would have been warranted, it speaks volumes that they did nothing in response to a mother calling and giving them the whole dirty on what happened from her point of view.


I do believe there is more to life than doing daycare and I think far too many parents have no respect for that.

[Willow]

you are beyone immature..good thing i don't live in your town or have ever ran across your daycare.. i would be writing reviews glaore on ur awful attitude and childish comments.. stay off of this post!.. i am asking for opinions..and your's is below any and ALL others...

You asked for opinions on a public forum.

You have to expect that people are going to be honest with you whether you like the answers you receive or not.

[Angelwings36]

you are beyone immature..good thing i don't live in your town or have ever ran across your daycare.. i would be writing reviews glaore on ur awful attitude and childish comments.. stay off of this post!.. i am asking for opinions..and your's is below any and ALL others...

Lol I do not even live in your country lady. When you post on this forum you need to expect both positive and negative opinions to your post. The immaturity lies in not accepting that. I have been reading this thread since the day it started and in the beginning I did side alot with you but as things progressed and I thought things through more and read more and more of your comments I realized that you were the one in fault to begin with and as someone else stated are now trying to come off as the victim. I thought long and hard before posting today. I wasn't even going to touch the thread. Immature people don't think before they do. I thought this out and wanted to share my opinion. You don't have to read it. You don't have to respond to it. You don't even have to like it. My opinion is not the end all it's just simply an opinion.

[Play Care]

I am SICK of providers defending other providers who are wrong simply to be in defense of their "profession" and never seeing anything from a parent's point of view.

This parent was not being unreasonable in any way and those of you who are chastising her should be ashamed of yourselves, and honestly you make me ashamed of being a provider, as I know that parents tend to lump us all together and think we are all the same.

Parents have rights. They have the right to DEMAND that their child not be transported. They have the right to expect AMPLE notification of early pick ups/closures. They have the right to expect to recieve the services for whihc they PAY.

Good grief, I honestly wonder how some of you manage to stay in business.

[Angelwings36]

you are beyone immature..good thing i don't live in your town or have ever ran across your daycare.. i would be writing reviews glaore on ur awful attitude and childish comments.. stay off of this post!.. i am asking for opinions..and your's is below any and ALL others...

Also I think my point has been proven that you acted childishly and were essentially looking to get the provider back. At least this is how your personality comes off:

I WOULD BE WRITING REVIEWS GLAORE ON YOUR AWFUL ATTITUDE AND CHILDISH COMMENTS.

I don't even know you lady, haven't watched your child and you don't like something I SAY so you threaten (want) to ruin my business?

GOOD GRIEF!!

[momofboys]

You are very much saying the provider is right.

There is absolutley NO REASON that the provider couldn't have given earlier notice. There is NO WAY she found out at 8:00 the night before that her child had a game the next day. She did it intentionally because she wanted to cause the parent to be the one to terminate services so she wouldn't have to.

I would definately take legal action against her if she tried to charge me for the last four weeks of care.

Do you have kids who participate in sports? I have 3 boys in baseball right now & I have to say although we have not yet received schedules for our games (games set to start the 2nd week of May) it is not at all unusual for games to be re-scheduled with very little notice (due to very common rainouts in the spring & the fact that there are a lot of teams playing on only a few fields), as in coach calls you at 6 pm or later saying you will be having a make-up game the next day. Not saying anyone is right or wrong but it would not seem unusual to me as this has happened many times in our league (5th year baseball mom!)

[momofboys]

Crystal - to be fair, how many providers don't consider or simply don't give a rip about parents' feelings when they charge for time they're not actually caring for a child? Or for their own vacations. And holidays. And sick days. Etc. When they have to hand over loads of cash upfront for deposits, and to pay for services they haven't even yet been provided?

What you and others may consider good business practice others find abhorrent, so who's right?

I too wonder how providers stay in business with some of their practices but the fact of the matter is it's none of my business because it's no skin off my teeth. Providers can implement whatever they want to and if parents sign up then they need to gracefully accept the agreement that was made and abide by it.

Whatever a providers stipulations are, that's their own personal business and I don't think they deserve to be judged for them. Especially when we're only hearing one side of the story, especially when we could all sit here and pick each other apart for things we think are nuts. What would be the point?



I don't care the reasons behind this provider feeling the need to go to every single one of her child's baseball games. For all we know her child has terminal cancer and is dying, or is a senior who is starting this last season. Perhaps he's overcome something big in his life and it's important to him for his parents to see him now succeed in something he loves.

There was a breakdown of communication somewhere along the line. It happens to the best of us. I would assume licensing would have taken action if it would have been warranted, it speaks volumes that they did nothing in response to a mother calling and giving them the whole dirty on what happened from her point of view.


I do believe there is more to life than doing daycare and I think far too many parents have no respect for that.

lovethis

[Unregistered]

https://www.daycare.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60861

Did any of you remember this thread?

It's a provider's point of view of a similar situation...

The event is a PROVIDER'S BEING SICK instead of PROVIDER'S SON BASEBALL GAME... but I think it has some similarities with the present thread in the sense that a mother assumed her job's demands entitled her to ignore the provider's short notice that the daycare would be closed.


Ok... PROVIDER'S BEING SICK it's an emergency and the BASEBALL GAME it is not... but in the other hand, these games where something expected by this mother and she should be better prepared for the situation.

BUT, what I find interesting is how different, this somehow similar situation, was received by this forum.

In the “PROVIDER'S BEING SICK” thread most members were shocked by that mother's attitude in dropping off the child despite the provider's notice... In this “PROVIDER'S SON BASEBALL GAME” thread most members think the mother was not in fault by not picking up her child earlier after being informed by provider to do so...

I can't make sense of that!!

[Unregistered]

Angelwings you attacked her mothering abilities and basically called her an awful mother. The Mamabear instincts are bound to kick in

Kelliott - it's a learning experience. Gather the information you find useful from the posts. Learn from the varying opinions, and disregard the rest. I think many of us have learned from this post, so I thank you for coming here and posting in the first place.

No matter what the provider shoulders at least some of the blame for taking this client on in the first place.

[kelliott]

You asked for opinions on a public forum.

You have to expect that people are going to be honest with you whether you like the answers you receive or not.

it's not the answers i have a problem with.. it's the demeaning nature in which she delivers them!.. give me your two cents and tell me i was wrong. don't don't attack my ability as a mother and how i can't keep my child safe!!!(the cops should have been called?!).

i am 23 years old and doing the best i can.. for everyone else that commented and gave their respectful opinions on my situation-siding with me or not, THANK YOU..it is appreciated!! definitely a learning experience..

[Blackcat31]

it's not the answers i have a problem with.. it's the demeaning nature in which she delivers them!.. give me your two cents and tell me i was wrong. don't don't attack my ability as a mother and how i can't keep my child safe!!!(the cops should have been called?!).

i am 23 years old and doing the best i can.. for everyone else that commented and gave their respectful opinions on my situation-siding with me or not, THANK YOU..it is appreciated!! definitely a learning experience..

I am glad you view this as a learning experience.

That attitude can only be helpful in the future so good for you!

I do hope you have a plan for alternate care and in a program that better suits your needs. Sometimes, it takes a little bending from BOTH parties to come to an agreement so I hope this experience at least opens up the lines of communication on a deeper and clearer level between you and your next provider.

Please update us as to what your plan of action will be as far as paying for the final 4 weeks of care or if you and the provider have somehow come to a mutual agreement, which I hope for everyone's sake is somehow possible.

I am curious though....was this your first child care experience?
Is the provider fairly new or one who has been in business for a while?
Was it large group or a small group?
Did the provider ever transport for other purposes such as field trips?
Did she bring other daycare children with her to he son's baseball game that day or just yours?

I don't mean to ask 100 questions, but I like to know the background of things to give myself a deeper and clearer picture.

Anyways, I really do hope you can learn from this and I hope you find alternate care that is better suited for you and your son. Good luck!

[Angelwings36]

it's not the answers i have a problem with.. it's the demeaning nature in which she delivers them!.. give me your two cents and tell me i was wrong. don't don't attack my ability as a mother and how i can't keep my child safe!!!(the cops should have been called?!).

i am 23 years old and doing the best i can.. for everyone else that commented and gave their respectful opinions on my situation-siding with me or not, THANK YOU..it is appreciated!! definitely a learning experience..

I am sorry for using the words "awful parenting" you're right I don't know you and I don't know how you parent. In the moment of my posting I chose very strong words and I apologize for that. But I still think that you made very poor decisions.

1) MOST IMPORTANTLY: Choosing a provider whom would not be available to care for your son (without transporting him) during the hours that you needed care for when you knew you didn't have enough flexability at work.

2) Not communicating effectively enough with your provider to find a solution that both you and her could accept as far as what would happen after 4:30pm that day. Then choosing to gamble that your provider would not transport your son if you just put your foot down and upright refused to pick up your son. The provider put your son's life at risk by transporting him and you put your son's life at risk by not picking him up on time knowing she may end up transporting him.

Your mistakes were the ones I feel caused the reactions from your provider in the end and that's what I was emphasizing on.

The provider made poor decisions when:

1) She did not communicate effectively enough with you to find a solution that both you and her could accept as far as what would happen after 4:30pm that day.

2) By deciding as a reprocusion to your incooperation in the situation that she would transport your child regardless. Like I said she should have been blowing up phones looking for someone to pick him up and presented you with a termination letter.

Both of you were at fault. I just didn't understand how you didn't see the mistakes you made leading up to the final result. It's not fair that provider is the one getting all the slack here (calling licensing, threatening to ruin business, etc..) for something that took two parties to go down.

[MarinaVanessa]

Do you have kids who participate in sports? I have 3 boys in baseball right now & I have to say although we have not yet received schedules for our games (games set to start the 2nd week of May) it is not at all unusual for games to be re-scheduled with very little notice (due to very common rainouts in the spring & the fact that there are a lot of teams playing on only a few fields), as in coach calls you at 6 pm or later saying you will be having a make-up game the next day. Not saying anyone is right or wrong but it would not seem unusual to me as this has happened many times in our league (5th year baseball mom!)

I don't know about her but I do. And yes this happens and when this does my child's coaches know that if I don't give my clients notice in advance that I can't leave and if I can't find someone to take my child to her short notice games then she can't make it.

I have a business to run and although my children and my family are extremely important to me I don't expect my clients to be inconvenienced by a short notice to find alternative care. It's my responsibility as a business woman to interview my clients, make sure that they are a good fit and to have my ducks in a row by having all of my required forms signed, I's dotted and T's crossed. For that reason I simply don't enroll clients that are not 100% comfortable with me leaving my property with their children with or without vehicle transportation for whatever reason at all whenever I wish. It is clear to them that if they don't feel comfortable they need to move on.

I wouldn't take on a client that didn't sign my transportation form because I require it. I have enough trouble when I call clients to come and get a sick child and that's when they are sick. If I allow a client to refuse to allow vehicle transportation enroll in my program with the contingency that they pick the child up when we have to use a car I can easily assume that at one point or another I will have a client that either showed up late or not at all. To me as a provider that has seen the track record of sick pick ups and late pick ups I can make the assumption that hey, clients don't always come and pick up their kids on time. Sign the form so that I can take your child with me or pick another daycare. It really is that simple.

Not saying that DCM here has no fault in this because as a parent if I knew that I hadn't been handed a schedule of games I'd be hounding that provider for it day and night, no action doesn't make you any less guilty ... but (according to the parent) the provider has a piece of paper that is signed by the parent that restricts her from taking the child anywhere in a car. I don't know if she will win, that depends on her contract, policies and a whole lot of other stuff but she can try KWIM?

[LaLa1923]

I really think this is unfair to the parent. She agreed to work with the provider on this, but the provider did not give her enough notice. Honestly, the provider is expecting WAY to much IMO.....an occasional early pick up, sure, but a couple of times each week....NO.

Then she should not have contracted with her!!!!