Okay-Here's A Good One! So Mad!

[daycare]

Having a helper isn't by accident here. My business is built around the low child to adult ratios.

I have birth to five and I don't "teach".

You said "I have never had issues with any of the kids putting things in the toilet, but I think this is because I have potty trained every child that is here and they know the rules from way back in the day".

I'll bet the OP has never had issues with kids putting things down the toilet either. It just takes one day to do 10K of damage.

gosh you make that sound even worse when you say it that way...

It just takes one day to do 10K of damage

well regardless of supervison or not, I still think that both parties failed here and that they both are to be responsible...but again thats just my two cents..... sure its worth less than that.....

i wish I could be a fly on your way just for a day nan........you should start that as a side business .....nan's flies on the wall for a day! I want 10% cut.... jk

[Cat Herder]

I would be in huge trouble with my CCR&R if it was reported that I left a daycare child, not related to me, unsupervised in the restroom.

It is considered a really big deal here. Drowning, poisonings, burns, cuts etc. Of course my regs are so bad I no longer even keep kids once they turn 4.

I just buy them each their own potty chair that is kept by the changing table (completely inaccessible to kids unless I lift them over a half wall) and call it even. Too much hassle for them to even enter that room, IMHO.

I had even considered using those bedside chair pottys used by home health aides and rigging up partial walls ala bathroom stalls. Until I priced them.

It is a hard lesson and I learned it in my early 20's....

DCK's Flooded my entire living room and hallway in a RENTAL!!

Yeah, it was pretty awful, but if I had tried to make the parents help pay I would have been cited for leaving kids unsupervised near water. The fault was mine alone.

[nannyde]

gosh you make that sound even worse when you say it that way...

It just takes one day to do 10K of damage

well regardless of supervison or not, I still think that both parties failed here and that they both are to be responsible...but again thats just my two cents..... sure its worth less than that.....

i wish I could be a fly on your way just for a day nan........you should start that as a side business .....nan's flies on the wall for a day! I want 10% cut.... jk

10K would be devestating to most of us... right?

Not worth it.

I don't see where the parents failed. Can you explain what you mean?

[daycare]

10K would be devestating to most of us... right?

Not worth it.

I don't see where the parents failed. Can you explain what you mean?

so from what I understand the provider had addressed the parents about this several times in the past correct? The provider asked for their assistance in resolving the matter, but the parents did not do anything about it, but offer to take their child out to dinner.

[Crystal]

so from what I understand the provider had addressed the parents about this several times in the past correct? The provider asked for their assistance in resolving the matter, but the parents did not do anything about it, but offer to take their child out to dinner.

I fail to see how supervision (orlack thereof) in the provider's home by the provider should cause the parent's to be held accountable for their child's actions? The provider, knowing that the child had been "misbehaving" when left unsupervised in the potty left him unsupervised anyway......she KNEW that he had, more than once, played with the TP, making messes. She KNEW that he put TP in the sink and left the water running (which could have caused the same problem she has now had she not noticed) She KNEW that he threw wet TP on the ceiling. She KNEW that he hung on and broke a hook from the wall. She KNEW he needed to be supervised, yet she FAILED to do so. The parents didn't do that. The parents probably DID talk to him about it, but they aren't there to ensure that he doesn't do it, the provider is. IMO, it's all on her. If the issues were this extreme, she should have made every effort to supervise him in the potty, even if that means taking every single child to the potty with him.

(sorry Op, not trying to be mean)

[daycare]

okAY well when you say it that way I guess I have to agree.... I guess i was looking at it more from the point of the parents not ever taking action when the child misbehaved...

[nannyde]

I fail to see how supervision (orlack thereof) in the provider's home by the provider should cause the parent's to be held accountable for their child's actions? The provider, knowing that the child had been "misbehaving" when left unsupervised in the potty left him unsupervised anyway......she KNEW that he had, more than once, played with the TP, making messes. She KNEW that he put TP in the sink and left the water running (which could have caused the same problem she has now had she not noticed) She KNEW that he threw wet TP on the ceiling. She KNEW that he hung on and broke a hook from the wall. She KNEW he needed to be supervised, yet she FAILED to do so. The parents didn't do that. The parents probably DID talk to him about it, but they aren't there to ensure that he doesn't do it, the provider is. IMO, it's all on her. If the issues were this extreme, she should have made every effort to supervise him in the potty, even if that means taking every single child to the potty with him.

(sorry Op, not trying to be mean)

I agree with this.

I'm not saying you have to stand on top of the kid in the bathroom. I'm saying supervise them. I stand in the hall because my bathrooms are small. If I see any doinking around I put a stop to it because I know what it can lead to. I expect them to go, sit still on the pot, and go back to the playroom without inteference.

[daycare]

I have one DCB age 4.5 who takes 30 min poops,..... I guess he loves the feel of the porcelin on his butt... I have to go in several times and remind him to hurry up..

[Crystal]

To the OP, I am really curious, aside from an apology from the parents, what you expected from them? Personally, I would be expecting the parent to ask me why I allowed the child alone in the restroom after all of the problems ( I probably would have asked a long time ago, before this happened).....so just wonder what you wanted from them?

[Crystal]

I have one DCB age 4.5 who takes 30 min poops,..... I guess he loves the feel of the porcelin on his butt... I have to go in several times and remind him to hurry up..

! ::::

[Country Kids]

I would be in huge trouble with my CCR&R if it was reported that I left a daycare child, not related to me, unsupervised in the restroom.

It is considered a really big deal here. Drowning, poisonings, burns, cuts etc. Of course my regs are so bad I no longer even keep kids once they turn 4.

I just buy them each their own potty chair that is kept by the changing table (completely inaccessible to kids unless I lift them over a half wall) and call it even. Too much hassle for them to even enter that room, IMHO.

I had even considered using those bedside chair pottys used by home health aides and rigging up partial walls ala bathroom stalls. Until I priced them.

It is a hard lesson and I learned it in my early 20's....

DCK's Flooded my entire living room and hallway in a RENTAL!!

Yeah, it was pretty awful, but if I had tried to make the parents help pay I would have been cited for leaving kids unsupervised near water. The fault was mine alone.

Oh my goodness-at what age would a child be able to go into the bathroom by themselves in your childcare? Would you even have to accompany a SA child in? What do you mean you aren't able to watch children over the age of 4? Where do they go after that? I don't even know if I would do childcare with all those regulations?

[daycare]

his mom asked me the other day how his progress was going and If I thought he was on track for kindy....I said way on track but one thing.... No more 30 min bathroom sessions... I dont think the school will let that fly.... I hate rushing the guy but I have to start breaking him of it before school starts in august...

[Crystal]

his mom asked me the other day how his progress was going and If I thought he was on track for kindy....I said way on track but one thing.... No more 30 min bathroom sessions... I dont think the school will let that fly.... I hate rushing the guy but I have to start breaking him of it before school starts in august...

no kidding! is the poor little guy constipated or something?

[Crystal]

Oh my goodness-at what age would a child be able to go into the bathroom by themselves in your childcare? Would you even have to accompany a SA child in? What do you mean you aren't able to watch children over the age of 4? Where do they go after that? I don't even know if I would do childcare with all those regulations?

I think she means she will not watch over the age of four, not that she can't.

[Live and Learn]

I agree with Crystal.

I fail to see how supervision (orlack thereof) in the provider's home by the provider should cause the parent's to be held accountable for their child's actions? The provider, knowing that the child had been "misbehaving" when left unsupervised in the potty left him unsupervised anyway......she KNEW that he had, more than once, played with the TP, making messes. She KNEW that he put TP in the sink and left the water running (which could have caused the same problem she has now had she not noticed) She KNEW that he threw wet TP on the ceiling. She KNEW that he hung on and broke a hook from the wall. She KNEW he needed to be supervised, yet she FAILED to do so. The parents didn't do that. The parents probably DID talk to him about it, but they aren't there to ensure that he doesn't do it, the provider is. IMO, it's all on her. If the issues were this extreme, she should have made every effort to supervise him in the potty, even if that means taking every single child to the potty with him.

(sorry Op, not trying to be mean)