Spin off of the "Diseased Ignorant Hippie" Thread

[Unregistered]

For those who don't vaccinate

It's fine if you decide to not vaccinate your kids. Personally, I vaccinate my daughter with everything except Gardasil. All of the kids in my care get vaccinations but if they ever chose not to, then I would have them sign the immunization waiver form.

What I have an issue with are comments about vaccinations not being effective against the very thing that they are used for. Somebody posted a comment about people still getting sick with diseases that can be prevented by vaccinations. Here is the short answer. Herd immunity. If enough people stop vaccinating for certain illnesses, then it's only logical that the chances of the disease reappearing are higher.

[QualiTcare]

It's fine if you decide to not vaccinate your kids. Personally, I vaccinate my daughter with everything except Gardasil. All of the kids in my care get vaccinations but if they ever chose not to, then I would have them sign the immunization waiver form.

What I have an issue with are comments about vaccinations not being effective against the very thing that they are used for. Somebody posted a comment about people still getting sick with diseases that can be prevented by vaccinations. Here is the short answer. Herd immunity. If enough people stop vaccinating for certain illnesses, then it's only logical that the chances of the disease reappearing are higher.

i agree. there is a very logical reason for kids to be vaccinated. not being vaccinated? not so sure about the logic, but to each his own.

[Meyou]

The logic is that vaccines do not give you absolute protection against disease. For me injecting scary chemicals into my children is not worth the "chance to fight something off" benefits.

The MMR series given between 1970 and 1990 in Canada was ineffective at best yet there was no media coverage about it until there were outbreaks of mumps in the past several years in fully vaccinated 20 somethings. I would have liked to know the vaccines my mother gave me were useless.

They are bringing new vaccines out fast and furious this last decade. Some are released to the public before proper testing is done. There were severe side effects to the Gardisil vaccine (orginal compostion) in Texas especially because the state mandated vaccination of all teenage girls before extended clinical trials were done.

The swine flu vaccine that was given in canada about 18 months ago had on the company website that side effects and testing studies would be made available as the vaccine was administered to the public. I'm sorry but WTF?? The PUBLIC is the test group? Scary IMO.

Until recently there was mercury used as a preservative in vaccines in the US. The 2 month old shots had mercury which fell within the safety guidelines for a 12 month old by weight.

Just 4 examples that have stuck out to me in recent years.

[Meeko]

That couldnt be more different from here. When my youngest started school I wrote "we chose not to vax" on the form for the school and sent it back. I got a call from Public Health the next day where a case worker gave me her name and number and asked that I call her directly if I experience any negative feedback from the school regarding my unvax'd children. She said it was a violation of our human rights to discriminate based on vaccinations.

The only problem I ever had was with my then 10 year old. A nurse came to the school to give some kind of booster and she told the nurse that she was unvaccinated and her parents would not want her to have an injection without permission. She was told that was silly and to get back in line. So she asked to use the washroom and went to the office and called me at home. The school secretary sorted it with the nurse and my daughter received an apology.

The reasoning here in Utah is let's just say there is a measles outbreak. (There was a reported case just a couple weeks ago) The kids in my care are vaccinated. No worries. But I do accept non-vaccinated kids if they have an exemption form. But a non-vaccinated child may bring measles into my day care and give it to a newborn who is too young to be vaccinated. It could be fatal to the newborn. So the parents of the non-vaccinated child must be willing to keep their children out of school and day care until the threat has passed. They have a perfect right not to vaccinate their own children. But they do not have the right to maybe pass a lethal infection on to a baby if it can be prevented.

[Meyou]

See there is a fundamental problem with that logic.....

The MMR vaccine provides a change of fighting off an exposure to measles or mumps. It DOES NOT provide complete protection. It's similar to the CP vaccine which can lessen the case you get but doesn't prevent contraction when exposed. I've been told this by two doctors and our public health dept.

Myself, my hubby at the time, my sister, my neice and one of my daughters were all fully vaccinated and still contracted mumps easily and passed it to each other. We have no idea where it came from. My other child didnt get it only because she was sent to my parents house to live for 4 weeks....ironically the unvax'd child was the only one to NOT get mumps.


It's very interesting to see where regulations are less strict everyone is less panicy and where laws are very strict we have potentailly dying babies.