Spin off of the "Diseased Ignorant Hippie" Thread

[marniewon]

I used to vax without thinking about it but my family was part of a mumps outbreak that shouldn't have happened according to the vaccine gods. I began questioning things quickly when we were quarentened to our home, given information from Public Health that conflicted with their press release and denied access to the children't emergency room because of the potential harm to all the VACCINATED children in the waiting rooms and treatment areas.

That was my main argument with vaccines - if they work like they are supposed to, why are there still diseases today that kids are vaccinated against? And you can't tell me that it's those who choose not to vaccinate that are bringing these diseases back - just like your story, you all were vaccinated.

Then there's Gardasil - to be given to pre-teens to prevent a disease that causes cancer that is most commonly spread by sexual intercourse! Maybe I'm naive, but is pre-teen sex really that prevalent today?? Gardasil has been reported to cause all sort of side effects including death. Yes, i know all vaccs have risks, but from the studies I've seen this seems to have way more risks than any of the others.

[marniewon]

Nope, I think it was just something parents did and never questioned. When I was growing up the only people who did not have their kids immunized were very religious and (no offense to anyone) but odd or very different types of religions.

I think that you probably couldn't even find a study or test or anything that said imms were questionable when my kids were young. :confused:

It was all just part of the Dr visits and well child checks. I don't recall having to sign a waiver telling me of any concerns or tiny little printed info or anything like that...I don't recall feeling like it was even a choice...... just part of the 2,4,6,12, and 15 month checks.

Exactly what I was trying to say in one of my posts above. I know I never questioned it, it was just something you did.

[youretooloud]

Then there's Gardasil - to be given to pre-teens to prevent a disease that causes cancer that is most commonly spread by sexual intercourse! Maybe I'm naive, but is pre-teen sex really that prevalent today?? Gardasil has been reported to cause all sort of side effects including death. Yes, i know all vaccs have risks, but from the studies I've seen this seems to have way more risks than any of the others.

I actually know more people who got seriously ill from the gardasil vaccine than those who didn't. I'm not a big fan of anything new. I'd rather let others try it out and see how it went.

[Cat Herder]

An immunization form or a notarized Refusal Statement from a board certified pediatrician is required for daycare attendance.

I do what is required to meet my States rules and regulations.

My children are vaccinated AND I took it a step further and had my daughter take the Gardasil series for HPV to reduce her chances of developing cervical cancer later in life. (My pets are vaccinated as well. )

I have no personal opinion of what others choose for their own children. We can't all possibly be right, all the time, and I am not the one to say who is.... YKWIM?

With this issue it simply is what is deemed best by each individual mother based on research and personal/religious beliefs. Do I think we will always have a choice, NO.

[Unregistered]

I usually stay away from this topic because it gets too personal however I DO NOT FOR ANY REASON ACCEPT FAMILIES THAT ARE NOT UP TO DATE AND CAN NOT PROVE IT WITH A MD. NOTE. I ask at interview and will make no exceptions. Our licensing board says we are allowed to determine who fits into our daycare and can choose to accept or not accept for this any many other reasons. I chose to do this so that my son - who was too young to have been completely vaccinated at the time I started doing daycare- was not unecessarily exposed to viruses which his body could not fight off and which he had not had the necessary vaccinations for. He is now two and this is likely a non issue however I recently got blood work done at my dr and she told me a list of things which I do not have immunity for and either need booster shots for or need to avoid contact with. I am pregnant so I cant get these shots currently but will when I can. I have had many families thank me for NOT allowing un-vaccinated kids into my home and every year I remind families to get a flu shot.

Please don't jump all over me, I have done enough research on this issue to feel comfortable with my family decision and believe that each person/family has the right to decide what works for them. The luxury of owning your own business is getting to decide whom you welcome into your home everyday!

[marniewon]

Do I think we will always have a choice, NO.

I agree Catherder - I'm really surprised we still have the choice now and don't expect that we will always have a choice.

[Mandy_Jane]

Wow. I am seriously amazed at the views of some of you posting here. HEP B is a deadly disease that babies and young children can get from anyone they are in contact with who has the disease. When infected as young children, they are more likely to have long term health problems such as cirrhosis and liver cancer. Why wouldn't you want to protect your baby against something like that? Since the vaccine was first introduced in 1982, the incidence of acute Hepatitis B has dropped over 95% in children and adolescents, and 75% overall.

The diseases of the past that killed and crippled our children, are only a thing of the past because of vaccinations! Parents are so quick to forget the way things used to be before vaccinations were introduced. If only each of you who are against vaccines could have lived in those times of great illness where there was nothing a parent could do to protect their child, maybe then you would see the value and importance of the vaccines we have today.

I do vaccinate both of my young daughters, and I do have faith in those vaccinations to protect them. I do also realize that vaccinations are not a gift from the "vaccine gods" and they are not going to 100% guarantee that my child won't contract the disease they are protecting against. But it's a hell of a lot less likely they will get the disease when they are vaccinated against it, than if I had never vaccinated them in the first place.

And YES, parents who are choosing not to vaccinate their children are THE reason we are seeing outbreaks of these old diseases again. The US is one of the most advanced countries in the world, and they have almost completely gotten rid of most of these terrible diseases through vaccines. But, there are OTHER countries, POOR countries, where children are NOT vaccinated at all. All it takes is one infected person flying into this country, and then we will have an outbreak. Those vaccinated against the disease will fair well. Those who have not gotten vaccinated will be the ones in the hospitals, quarantined and dying. One way or another, every disease that we have been trying to eradicate, can and will make it back in to our country, until the entire world is fortunate enough to be able to provide ALL children with vaccinations. I am not going to risk the health of my children when the proof of the benefit of vaccinations is right in front of our faces. My girls will be vaccinated and I will sleep better at night knowing they are safe.

[MamaBearCW]

My children have all had vaccines. My son has even had the Gardisil shot. If enough people get immunized then some of these things will go away and then we can stop worrying about them. Though, I don't think that it should be mandatory.

[jojosmommy]

Wow. I am seriously amazed at the views of some of you posting here. HEP B is a deadly disease that babies and young children can get from anyone they are in contact with who has the disease. When infected as young children, they are more likely to have long term health problems such as cirrhosis and liver cancer. Why wouldn't you want to protect your baby against something like that? Since the vaccine was first introduced in 1982, the incidence of acute Hepatitis B has dropped over 95% in children and adolescents, and 75% overall.

The diseases of the past that killed and crippled our children, are only a thing of the past because of vaccinations! Parents are so quick to forget the way things used to be before vaccinations were introduced. If only each of you who are against vaccines could have lived in those times of great illness where there was nothing a parent could do to protect their child, maybe then you would see the value and importance of the vaccines we have today.

I do vaccinate both of my young daughters, and I do have faith in those vaccinations to protect them. I do also realize that vaccinations are not a gift from the "vaccine gods" and they are not going to 100% guarantee that my child won't contract the disease they are protecting against. But it's a hell of a lot less likely they will get the disease when they are vaccinated against it, than if I had never vaccinated them in the first place.

And YES, parents who are choosing not to vaccinate their children are THE reason we are seeing outbreaks of these old diseases again. The US is one of the most advanced countries in the world, and they have almost completely gotten rid of most of these terrible diseases through vaccines. But, there are OTHER countries, POOR countries, where children are NOT vaccinated at all. All it takes is one infected person flying into this country, and then we will have an outbreak. Those vaccinated against the disease will fair well. Those who have not gotten vaccinated will be the ones in the hospitals, quarantined and dying. One way or another, every disease that we have been trying to eradicate, can and will make it back in to our country, until the entire world is fortunate enough to be able to provide ALL children with vaccinations. I am not going to risk the health of my children when the proof of the benefit of vaccinations is right in front of our faces. My girls will be vaccinated and I will sleep better at night knowing they are safe.

So do you disallow un-vacc kids in your care? We can in our county and I do not allow un-vac kids in my house. Period.

I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this issue however I do want to mention that if you choose not to vac your kids you may be making life long decisions which they can not change later. Many countries DO NOT ALLOW un-vac people into their country (no proof-no enterance) and some vac are unsafe to be given later in life- thus your child can not go back and get their infant series of ___ just to go to Europe.

Also, if you choose not to vac on the typical CDC recommended schedule your insurance can deny payment and some of those imms can cost over $1000 each if you choose to do them later- a friend of mine wanted to get her youngest vac after her oldest got lukemia and was succeptable and had to pay A TON out of pocket because they hadn't done it when it was approved and paid for by ins. Just a few things to keep in mind when you are making your personal decision.

[Mandy_Jane]

Honestly, I have never watched any child that wasn't up to date on their vaccinations. But that is simply because every child that has come to me has had parents who have chosen to vaccinate them. I do have faith in the vaccines my girls have gotten, but why knowingly put them at risk by being around an un-vaccinated child? That child could at any time contract measles, mumps, polio, diphtheria etc.......And I would not want that in my house. Whether my girls were vaccinated or not. I just don't know why parents want to play roulette with their child's health. The effectiveness of vaccines is PROVEN. They have nearly eradicated most of the childhood diseases that plagued parents so long ago. As the rate of vaccinated children drops, the rate of diseases increases. Any coincidence? I think not.

For anyone who is going to say, "Well then you can't send your child to public school if you don't want them to be around kids who aren't vaccinated"........Guess what? I'm a PROUD homeschooling mom.

[Michael]

I usually stay away from this topic because it gets too personal however I DO NOT FOR ANY REASON ACCEPT FAMILIES THAT ARE NOT UP TO DATE AND CAN NOT PROVE IT WITH A MD. NOTE. I ask at interview and will make no exceptions. Our licensing board says we are allowed to determine who fits into our daycare and can choose to accept or not accept for this any many other reasons. I chose to do this so that my son - who was too young to have been completely vaccinated at the time I started doing daycare- was not unecessarily exposed to viruses which his body could not fight off and which he had not had the necessary vaccinations for. He is now two and this is likely a non issue however I recently got blood work done at my dr and she told me a list of things which I do not have immunity for and either need booster shots for or need to avoid contact with. I am pregnant so I cant get these shots currently but will when I can. I have had many families thank me for NOT allowing un-vaccinated kids into my home and every year I remind families to get a flu shot.

Please don't jump all over me, I have done enough research on this issue to feel comfortable with my family decision and believe that each person/family has the right to decide what works for them. The luxury of owning your own business is getting to decide whom you welcome into your home everyday!

It is prefectly fine to do as you please with your daycare and children. I don't think anyone here is stating that your MUST NOT get vaccinated. Some choose not to for their own reasons.

Some choose the vaccinations they prefer for their children. I don't think we should just let every doctor pump up our kids with whatever they want. My sister died that way. We as parents need to be in control of our children's health, learning and safety.

[youretooloud]

I like delayed and selective vaxing. I chose not to give dd a chicken pox shot, because it was brand new, and not widely given.

She starts college this summer, and I think she needs one more Hep booster.. but, I'm not sure.

I do flu shots because I am with a lot of people who are very fragile... so I'd feel awful if I got one of them sick.

I got a whooping cough shot with a tetnus last year. (that one hurts btw)

I do not believe in vaccinating for everything, but I do believe in vaccines.

[Meeko]

I could be TOTALLY wrong but.....

in Texas childcare you are required to have all shots. All my years at the dc (17 plus) we have had only 1 family who chose not to have immunizations. That family had to have a notarized affidavit from the health department stating that the child (an infant) can attend daycare.

The director was very concerned about the child and the rest of us. However the licensing rep just stated if anyone is going to be harmed in this situation it will be the child in question.

IMO it's no ones business but the family that chooses/or not to be vaccinated and the provider. It's no one else's business.

Utah requirements are the same as Texas.

[Meeko]

We have to have a record of shots or have an exemption form on file.

If there is an outbreak of a vaccine-preventible illness, children who are not immunized are excluded from care until the health department says they can return. This is state law. This could possibly be weeks. Parents understand that they must pay me for the slot even if their children are not here for a long time. It's part of deciding not to immunize.

[Meyou]

We have to have a record of shots or have an exemption form on file.

If there is an outbreak of a vaccine-preventible illness, children who are not immunized are excluded from care until the health department says they can return. This is state law. This could possibly be weeks. Parents understand that they must pay me for the slot even if their children are not here for a long time. It's part of deciding not to immunize.

That couldnt be more different from here. When my youngest started school I wrote "we chose not to vax" on the form for the school and sent it back. I got a call from Public Health the next day where a case worker gave me her name and number and asked that I call her directly if I experience any negative feedback from the school regarding my unvax'd children. She said it was a violation of our human rights to discriminate based on vaccinations.

The only problem I ever had was with my then 10 year old. A nurse came to the school to give some kind of booster and she told the nurse that she was unvaccinated and her parents would not want her to have an injection without permission. She was told that was silly and to get back in line. So she asked to use the washroom and went to the office and called me at home. The school secretary sorted it with the nurse and my daughter received an apology.