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    #16
    It is sad that police have to use pepper spray to control a child. Unless this child has issues he cannot control due to mental health, ADHD, or something in that nature, which it says he was evaluated and results came that that he was normal, then you have to look at his upbringing.

    Did he had set rules in his house? Was he disciplined when needed? Or did parent just let him do whatever he wanted to do with no consequences? Did parent cover up for him and defend him when he did something wrong?

    Sorry this is long, but here goes......I had one child in care that was coloring and then began to crumble the page. I told him to please not ruin the page becuase it was the only one he was getting. He then proceeded to tear the page in pieces and demanded another one. I told him " I just told you that you were not going to get another one, but you decided to tear it up.

    He got extremely upset and began to cry out of control. I told him to calm down, he didnt' so I just ignored him and proceeded to getting the other kids ready for dismissal. After 20 minutes of hearing his cries, I called his mom to tell her what had happend and to just make sure she was coming on time to pick him up. She said she was and I told him that I just spoke to his mom and she was coming in few minutes to pick him up.

    He calmed down and stopped crying immediately. Within moments he was tear free and relaxed, he started talking and told me that he was going to buy a gun and shoot me and my family. Well you can image the shock I was in when he said that. I asked him to repeat what he said becuase I think I heard him wrong. Nope, he repeated himself exactly the same way as the first time. I was furious. Image, a 4 year old making a death threat to me and my own children. My blood was boiling. My handbook states any harmful behavior to provider or family, calls for immediate termination. However, I decided just to suspend him for one day. When his mom finally arrives, I explained the situation to her and she was not too happy when I told her what he said. Then she was extremely upset when I told her that he was suspended for one day, not to bring him back the next day, to bring him back the following week.

    She had to work the next day and couldn't take off, she said what was she going to do with him then. I told her that I was sorry, but it was not my concern. Anyways, the next day I get an email from her saying that I was wrong for suspending him, that I should have spoken to him and told him that what he said was wrong. By not letting him return the next day was not going to make him understand what he said was wrong. Well, I have a different opinon on this. Child loves coming to my daycare, by not allowing him to come becuase of something wrong he did, will teach him that he has to follow rules and not say bad things in order to continue attending my daycare. Well DCM become so agressive in her opinon of how I was wrong, that I terminated her on the spot due to parent/provider differences. Which is also stated in handbook. Was I wrong? What would u have done?

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    • cheerfuldom
      Advanced Daycare.com Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 7413

      #17
      this was pretty alarming. I have a lot of thoughts on it but not the time to post. The one thing I will say is that on the live interview AND in the interview clips of him at home, he was picking at his face and eyebrows. This is a very clear sign of anxiety in children. I know because I did this same thing and my household was chaotic. Something is going on in the home that is very unhealthy for him. Kids don't just do random things and what is especially concerning is that numerous doctors have given no diagnosis. That doesn't mean nothing is wrong though but most likely, his home life is awful. The mom was strangely distant in the interview from my estimation. She didn't seem to have strong feelings about the fact that her 2nd grader threatened to kill someone.

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      • Checkinkids.com
        virtuclock.com developer
        • Mar 2011
        • 76

        #18
        What is up with Columbine? They gotta have something in the water. at first I was like "why didn't they just grab him?" - then I thought about it and actually the kid was at less risk of injury with pepper spray than if they had just tried to restrain him. Maybe they should start using that instead of time out? hahaha

        Too bad the Mom isn't letting the kid learn the lesson by sticking up for him. she should say "See - if you act crazy, people just might do something about it."

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        • Unregistered

          #19
          I logged out because of all the negative comments regarding this child and this situation. I am worried when others find out my child had similiar situations on multiple accounts.

          I am assuming, like my child, that this boy does have some issues that go way beyond just always being given a Yes at home and not being able to handle No at school. My child cleared out classrooms when he was younger. Had a task force of sorts set up at school for when he lost control. My son still struggles, but with age, things are calming. He often couldn't get his brain to stop. He lacked that control. He wanted to stop being angry, but couldn't.

          And surprise, at home he wasn't nearly as difficult. Not because he always got a yes out of us but rather because we KNEW HIM. WE had our home set up so we didn't overload his hyper sensory system. Florescent lights make a noise that my son can hear, most classrooms have these lights. Drove him a bit mental. Light touches would physcially be painful to him. He needed hard touches and deep pressure. His anxiety levels were always high, understandably with the sensory system he has.

          So I am an odd one here. I do not feel this was dealt with appropriately. He is a young child with known difficulties, he wasn't just being a little brat. The school should have of had a decent plan in place. Just 2 cents worth from a parent who can relate.

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          • Unregistered

            #20
            Originally posted by Checkinkids.com
            What is up with Columbine? They gotta have something in the water. at first I was like "why didn't they just grab him?" - then I thought about it and actually the kid was at less risk of injury with pepper spray than if they had just tried to restrain him. Maybe they should start using that instead of time out? hahaha

            Too bad the Mom isn't letting the kid learn the lesson by sticking up for him. she should say "See - if you act crazy, people just might do something about it."
            Thing is. This isn't an act. He isn't 'acting' crazy. This child has some serious issues.

            Just because he hasn't been diagnosed doesn't mean it isn't serious. Mental health issues are things doctors try to put off diagnosing for good reason.

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            • DBug
              Daycare Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 934

              #21
              I've known a few families personally with kids that are unpredictable like this. It just really makes me afraid for my own kids at school. I actually contacted my oldest son's teacher one year because he was very good friends with a boy that I witnessed yelling death threats at his daycare provider's husband (in public at the bus stop). I do not want my kids picking up stuff like that.

              It just really worries me what some kids are capable of. I'm glad the police were able to use a weapon that diffused the situation, but that didn't do any permanent damage. I would totally agree with police doing the exact same thing if it were my child carrying on like that ...
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              • nannyde
                All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
                • Mar 2010
                • 7320

                #22
                Originally posted by youretooloud
                I watched the video, he was in a normal school and normal classroom. But, after this incident, he was put in a school for kids with social and emotional problems.


                “The (classroom) he was at was for children who have social and emotional behavioral issues...They knew what the kids are capable of before they took them on,” Mandy said on NBC's 'Today' show. “I do want them (police officers) to get training...for crisis situations with children.

                He was IN a classroom for children with emotional issues. He did this IN the SPECIAL classroom of only SEVEN kids. He switched to ANOTHER one at ANOTHER school after this.
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                • wdmmom
                  Advanced Daycare.com
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 2713

                  #23
                  The same district as Columbine?

                  The kid said he deserved it?!

                  No remorse, no apologies, no sympathy from me.

                  Seems to me like this child has issues and the mom isn't willing to accept the issues at hand. At the rate he's going to be a delinquent in and out of the court system.

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                  • youretooloud
                    Advanced Daycare.com Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 1955

                    #24
                    Originally posted by wdmmom
                    The same district as Columbine?

                    The kid said he deserved it?!

                    No remorse, no apologies, no sympathy from me.

                    Seems to me like this child has issues and the mom isn't willing to accept the issues at hand. At the rate he's going to be a delinquent in and out of the court system.
                    I did like that the child said "I guess I deserved it". I thought that was pretty mature of him. It shows he does understand after the fact, just not in the moment.

                    I dated a man who's son was in a self contained classroom. Another kid threw a chair across the room, and it hit Collin in the forehead. (He wasn't aiming for Collin, he just threw the chair) Collin had a skull fracture, 40 stitches, brain swelling, seizures and possibly permanent brain damage.

                    As a parent, I want my kids in the safest environment possible. If that means the sharp stick wielding 8 yr old needs to be pepper sprayed, then I'm OK with that, as long as the child doesn't hurt MY child.

                    Her story would have been different if the cops tried to talk him down, and he hurt himself instead. What if he'd been so upset that he stabbed himself with the stick? She'd have been outraged that they let him do it. What if he'd tried to stab one of the officers? What if they grabbed him instead? She'd have been mad that they touched him.

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