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We are talking about this in my Integrating Children with Special Needs class. Just wondering what everyone else's view are on this?
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I think he's lucky he was only pepper sprayed.
If there's truly "no issues anywhere else" why is he in a special classroom? Why doesn't mom haul her butt to school to "talk him down"? Why should there be a special task force to "talk him down"?
When he's arrested as a 16 yr old and tried as an adult, is mom going to go on national television and say "he's always been a good boy, he just has trouble with transitions.. someone should have handled it differently".
I think if a child has problems, it needs to be helped. But, that's a big kid, with a sharp stick???? And the cops held out pepper spray and said "drop the stick" but, Mom felt like they should have been nicer to him????? -
my honest opinion is that the school and police were not in the wrong about this situation. I have had to deal with kids like this in the past, much older bigger kids, and it is scary . This kid said he would kill his teachers.
It's sad to say but maybe he had parents that didn't say "no" to him.
They did say he's been evaluated and there was nothing wrong with him.
The boy that I dealt with had been arrested at school for violence and put in the mental hospital for two weeks and he came out a perfect angel because it was the first time in his life someone said "no" to him....yes the school tried to say no to him but at home, there were no rules or consequences because his mom had been so severely abused as a child . She went to the extreme opposite and never disciplined him.
The hospital put him on a schedule, monitored what he ate and put him on heavy meds but he had a firm understanding what rules were after this and learned how to control himself.Comment
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But he wasn't in a regular school and even though there hasn't been any release of info saying he does have something wrong with him he was enrolled in a school specifically for kids with social and emotional problems. This was not regular public school. So just curious, does that change your views?Comment
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No. He still needs to put down the weapon, or be stopped some other way. It was still his choice to be stopped some other way.
I have been pepper sprayed. (for a cop friend who needed a volunteer) It's awful, but not for very long. It's not a lasting injury. It's not prison. It's a short term, yet severe consequence to not following orders to put down the weapon.Comment
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Here this Mom is on a NATIONAL program and has the opportunity to publicly apologize to the poor teachers who were so fearful that they had to lock themselves in a closet to protect themselves... you know the ones he threatened to KILL..... but no
It's about what the COPS did.
The cops who had been called already twice about this kid. The cops who know better than to lay a FINGER trying to take this kid to the ground.
Yeah... those cops who can't really DO anything because he's a little kid. They are supposed to use words. Just like we are supposed to solve everything with words.
Anything more than words is mean and wrong.
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When I first read the headline, I thought..."OMG...They did WHAT to WHO!" I couldn't believe it. Then I read the article and thought..."Oh, well of course they did."
Tell you what, I bet that kids thinks twice in the future.
I do wonder if any one of the teachers in the classroom were trained in crisis intervention. If not, they should have been...if anyone has something to complain about, I would think it would be the teachers.
As for the Mom's comment that he has responded to verbal intervention before..."Hmmm...he didn't respond to PUT DOWN THE STICK."Comment
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Lakewood Public Schools officials say they are seeing more children in preschool and elementary school with assaultive or threatening behavior.
"As a district we've been very concerned about it," said Polly Ortiz-Lutz, the school district's director of special education.
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Boy, the next time someone starts a thread around here I hope it has nothing to do with a dck who is threatening to kill a provider because she didn't give him seconds on chicken nuggets!
It is frightnening that these situations are happening at such young ages. I always wonder where the responsibilty is when it comes to the parent? At what point is a parent NOT responsible for their childs behaviors/actions? 5 yrs old? 8 yrs old? 15? I don't mean to imply that parents are responsible every time Johnny hits at daycare or is naughty, I mean the responsibilty in curbing your child's bad behavior, becoming involved and working to stop behaviors that lead to threatening to kill your teachers when you aren't even old enough to be alone yet.
I wonder what the truth is behind her statement that he has no issues anywhere else? WHY does he supposedly have no issues at other places?
I'd like to know what his homelife is like. How did the mother manage to get her child enrolled in a special school if he didn't qualify to be there?Comment
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I watched the video, he was in a normal school and normal classroom. But, after this incident, he was put in a school for kids with social and emotional problems.
Then, when I looked the story up on another site, it said that the classroom was full of kids, and when he started throwing chairs, the teacher had the other kids leave, and apparently (although, that part was confusing) a second teacher came in to try and help.
I still think the police did the right thing. During the whole Columbine ordeal, the cops did nothing except gather outside the school. This time they were being more proactive.
If you listen to the video, you actually feel bad for the boy. He says "I did deserve it I guess" he wishes he could stop himself.. but, maybe he really can't. What kind of adult life can that get him? How awful would it be to know by the age of 8 that you are not going to have the adult life you want because you can't control yourself, even though you want to.Comment
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He WAS in a special school when this happened. He transferred to another special school.Boy, the next time someone starts a thread around here I hope it has nothing to do with a dck who is threatening to kill a provider because she didn't give him seconds on chicken nuggets!
It is frightnening that these situations are happening at such young ages. I always wonder where the responsibilty is when it comes to the parent? At what point is a parent NOT responsible for their childs behaviors/actions? 5 yrs old? 8 yrs old? 15? I don't mean to imply that parents are responsible every time Johnny hits at daycare or is naughty, I mean the responsibilty in curbing your child's bad behavior, becoming involved and working to stop behaviors that lead to threatening to kill your teachers when you aren't even old enough to be alone yet.
I wonder what the truth is behind her statement that he has no issues anywhere else? WHY does he supposedly have no issues at other places?
I'd like to know what his homelife is like. How did the mother manage to get her child enrolled in a special school if he didn't qualify to be there?
He has a long history of violence. His Mom has been called to school thirteen times this year alone.
I do not believe that he only has problems in school. She's safe to say this because anyone else who is caring for him for money can't discuss him due to confidentiality.... she can say whatever she wants and won't be worried about anyone disclosing THEIR experience with him in child care or preschool.
He may not have problems at home but he also may have a YES home where he has nothing to be upset about.Comment
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I bet they don't have age appropriate games they are playing at home either. My son (9) has been telling me for the past 2 years that his friends from school are playing Halo.
Makes me nuts! They have age ratings for a reason. These kids are too young for this stuff and I'm betting the Violent 8 year old has a whole arsenol of non-age appropriate games that he plays all the time.
I fear for our future.Comment
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Why does a child with aggressive tendencies, behavior problems, and who attends a school because of these problems have access to a giant stick?Comment
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I didn't watch the video but the second paragraph of the news article says;
“The school he was at was for children who have social and emotional behavioral issues,” the boy’s mom, Mandy, who is identified only by her first name to protect her family’s privacy, told TODAY’s Meredith Vieira Wednesday. “They [knew] what the kids are capable of before they took them on. And then they could have also called and asked for a special [police] unit who deals with children … in these crisis situations.”
so the school was for special needs kids as the mom is trying to say the school should have been better prepared since it was a special needs school and the staff should expect these types of situations. Now after the incident they have moved him to a school that is for "behavioral" problems. So ???? I am still just in shock that this is an 8 year old child! Where does such rage and anger come from in a child that age? :confused:
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