POLL - Should We Start To Open Our Economy Again?

[Cat Herder]

I wish they would reopen the garden centers even under tight restrictions, so people could plant flowers and recover a bit of mental health in the process.
I don't see what the difference is since we can shop in other stores.

I will not get the vaccine!

I agree. I need a few shrubs to manage a water run-off and erosion issue. It will affect my inspection if left unchecked so it is essential to me.

If liquor stores can stay open so should nurseries, garden centers and greenhouses.

[daycarediva]

I think we never should have closed.

As in ANY dangerous situation, we should have isolated those most vulnerable. Our elderly and immuno-compromised.

THOSE individuals should have been financially supported, have food delivered, etc.

Life should have continued as usual for everyone else.

I feel that the mortality rate for healthy individuals data is inaccurate, as we aren't mass testing. We are only testing the very ill at this point. I would also be curious to look at some titer testing.

I am NOT complying with face covering requirements in NY (it is mandatory while I work AND in public). I will risk a fine when I shop once a week. I do not have an N95 and ANY OTHER MASK is ineffective. I have seen an INSANE amount of cross contamination by well intentioned people with masks and gloves.

Leave the PPE to the high risk and medical staff, PLEASE.

Sorry, over it.

[Red]

Shocked and Saddened

As much as we are all entitled to different views and opinions, I'm shocked and saddened to read all of these comments about not wanting to follow the law and doing your part to keep the spread down. This is a serious thing that is not going away as quickly as we all had hoped. To openly state you will not follow executive orders is just appalling to me. Just because you don't agree with a law doesn't mean you can break it. There are daycare regulations that I don't agree with but I still follow them because that is part of being a quality daycare provider.

[Blackcat31]

As much as we are all entitled to different views and opinions, I'm shocked and saddened to read all of these comments about not wanting to follow the law and doing your part to keep the spread down. This is a serious thing that is not going away as quickly as we all had hoped. To openly state you will not follow executive orders is just appalling to me. Just because you don't agree with a law doesn't mean you can break it. There are daycare regulations that I don't agree with but I still follow them because that is part of being a quality daycare provider.

Stay at home orders aren't necessarily laws.
At least not in a criminal manner and comparing stay at home orders to daycare laws is apples to oranges.

Child care providers AGREE to abide by the laws and regulations imposed on us willingly.

Not everyone sees orders to shelter at home as something they agree with.

[Red]

I'm referring to executive orders such as wearing a mask in public. Executive orders are laws that we have to follow as citizens. It is the same as following any law regardless if we agree or disagree with the law.

[Blackcat31]

I'm referring to executive orders such as wearing a mask in public. Executive orders are laws that we have to follow as citizens. It is the same as following any law regardless if we agree or disagree with the law.

Unless I am mistaken the only executive order that is actually a legal and constitutional law is one ordered by the POTUS.

[Red]

State governors also have the authority to make executive orders, not just the president.

[Vesta]

Here’s a company that decided safety measures were too costly and apparently meant for other people.
Employers won’t take care of their employees unless they are called on it.
Until a system is in place that ensures everyone is provided proper PPE and sanitation measures, the ability to social distance at work, sick leave and medical care, and no threat of retribution for reporting noncompliance, we can’t expect people to willing go into places that are basically Petri dishes under normal circumstances.
And it’s great and wonderful if you and yours do what is right, but you will eventually be impacted by those that don’t.
The employees in the article were expected to show up without protection even though people at the plant were sick.
No show=quitting=no unemployment.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52311877

There is going to need to be a new normal and we are going to have to give up the illusion of going back to business as usual. Sacrifices are going to be needed, comforts, entertainment, celebrations, other things we took for granted are all going to change. But IMHO, we should not be sacrificing the lives of those we collectively seem to deem disposable because our 401Ks are not doing so great or because our kids don’t get to attend their graduation ceremony. Sorry grandma, Bobby has been waiting his whole entire life for this 3 hour ceremony, but you’ve lived a long life, you get it.
I have seen people ready to throw away the last month of shelter in place because their kids are missing prom.

And on a side note, anyone been reading up on all the fun organ damage some of the people that have recovered are going to be saddled with for the rest of their lives?

[Red]

Well said Vesta! Thank you!

[Blackcat31]

State governors also have the authority to make executive orders, not just the president.

IF the order is constitutional.

... and that is where the problem lies and allows people to choose to follow or not follow orders.

[Michael]

we can’t expect people to willing go into places that are basically Petri dishes under normal circumstances.

Petri dishes? Our earth can naturally be a filthy place that requires our species to update our bodies with herd immunity. What we are doing now to sanitize everything is unnatural and will eventually alter our RNA and DNA. It is similar to taking antibiotics for every sniffle we are weary of. What ends up happening is we weaken our natural immune system. That system has taken hundreds of thousands of years to create. Every drug is too late for the emergence of a new illness. We will have a perilous future if we wait on mankind to keep us safe from every potential disease or illness. It is our duty to boost our immune system and then use alternatives like drugs and medications if our immune system fails. Too much sanitizing and cleanliness is a recipe for disaster. We may be creating far bigger problems for the future.

[Red]

IF the order is constitutional.

... and that is where the problem lies and allows people to choose to follow or not follow orders.

In order for anyone to deem it unconstitutional and not follow it, it must be brought to court to fight it and get it overturned. It doesn't give people the right to not follow orders without proving it is unconstitutional. Fines will be imposed if they choose to not follow an order. There were non essential businesses that decided to not follow an order and they had the police come, shut them down and fine them here in NY.

The big question is why would anyone not want to follow these executive orders put in place to protect themselves and others? It is a simple thing to put on a face covering when in public. I don't get why this is even a debate. We have to deal with this virus and be smart about it. All of us have to do the best we can to limit exposure and spread so the hospitals don't get or stay overwhelmed.

[Valerie928]

i think we never should have closed.

As in any dangerous situation, we should have isolated those most vulnerable. Our elderly and immuno-compromised.

Those individuals should have been financially supported, have food delivered, etc.

Life should have continued as usual for everyone else.

I feel that the mortality rate for healthy individuals data is inaccurate, as we aren't mass testing. We are only testing the very ill at this point. I would also be curious to look at some titer testing.

I am not complying with face covering requirements in ny (it is mandatory while i work and in public). I will risk a fine when i shop once a week. I do not have an n95 and any other mask is ineffective. I have seen an insane amount of cross contamination by well intentioned people with masks and gloves.

Leave the ppe to the high risk and medical staff, please.

Sorry, over it.

amen sister!

[Valerie928]

Here’s a company that decided safety measures were too costly and apparently meant for other people.
Employers won’t take care of their employees unless they are called on it.
Until a system is in place that ensures everyone is provided proper PPE and sanitation measures, the ability to social distance at work, sick leave and medical care, and no threat of retribution for reporting noncompliance, we can’t expect people to willing go into places that are basically Petri dishes under normal circumstances.
And it’s great and wonderful if you and yours do what is right, but you will eventually be impacted by those that don’t.
The employees in the article were expected to show up without protection even though people at the plant were sick.
No show=quitting=no unemployment.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52311877

There is going to need to be a new normal and we are going to have to give up the illusion of going back to business as usual. Sacrifices are going to be needed, comforts, entertainment, celebrations, other things we took for granted are all going to change. But IMHO, we should not be sacrificing the lives of those we collectively seem to deem disposable because our 401Ks are not doing so great or because our kids don’t get to attend their graduation ceremony. Sorry grandma, Bobby has been waiting his whole entire life for this 3 hour ceremony, but you’ve lived a long life, you get it.
I have seen people ready to throw away the last month of shelter in place because their kids are missing prom.

And on a side note, anyone been reading up on all the fun organ damage some of the people that have recovered are going to be saddled with for the rest of their lives?

Really? This is not about 401k, not for most. This is about the small business owner that had to close the business he/she had that supported their family. Now they have nothing. It's not all about people not caring about the elderly. People HAVE to make money to live.

[Vesta]

Petri dishes? Our earth can naturally be a filthy place that requires our species to update our bodies with herd immunity. What we are doing now to sanitize everything is unnatural and will eventually alter our RNA and DNA. It is similar to taking antibiotics for every sniffle we are weary of. What ends up happening is we weaken our natural immune system. That system has taken hundreds of thousands of years to create. Every drug is too late for the emergence of a new illness. We will have a perilous future if we wait on mankind to keep us safe from every potential disease or illness. It is our duty to boost our immune system and then use alternatives like drugs and medications if our immune system fails. Too much sanitizing and cleanliness is a recipe for disaster. We may be creating far bigger problems for the future.

Call up the Smithfield employees that were forced to work less than 1 ft apart with no protective gear(unless you count beard nets) and tell them thank you for taking the hit to build up herd immunity. Maybe go visit and do your part in building up our collective immunity.
My kids and the rest of the family will not be taking that hit for you and others that share your logic.
And yes, meat processing plants are virtually Petri dishes.