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Okay, a some of you have the wrong idea about myself and the owner. Things have been going very well lately with the exception of one little boy (who I think may be autistic). Yes, there for a little while we did have a very rough time of things, but believe me, the owner and myself have done everything we can legally do on the discipline aspect. What are providers allowed to do really? Time outs don't phase children, and it's the only punishment we're allowed to dish out pretty much. And according to our CDA classes, even THAT is "inappropriate". We use natural (or at least related) consequences as much as possible. ANYWAY, things have changed a lot lately and were running a lot smoother. Like I said, this specific issue is realtively new within the last week or two. I know we can turn this around. I was looking for help and advice. Not criticism about the job myself and the owner do with the children. Believe me, we do the best we can with the legal limits we have to work with, just as you do. Maybe you don't have to follow the CDA standards, but we are required by law to obtain our CDA and in order to do that we have to follow their standards and recommendations. And I had actually thought we were doing a pretty good job with the children, and the parents seem to think so, also, btw. everywhere else I've worked, I had the children all lined up and well behaved, they followed the rules, they respected me, the parents didn't want to leave them with anyone else, etc. I'm not saying that to brag, but just to show that it's not always the provider's fault. These children are a different group than I've worked with before. The parents don't back us up as much, they come from tougher homes: split families, grandparents raising them rather than the parents, single moms, etc. The area is a lot different too. This daycare I'm at now is in a whole other town than I worked at before.
The owner and I are in agreement with this situation of the 5 yr old girls (someone asked how old they are. Two of them are 5, one is 4) that this has got to be stopped now. I KNOW it has to be stopped now, that's why I asked for your advice. The children are NOT running the show (I was frustrated and exaggerated I guess). I meant that the 5 yr olds are TRYING to lately, and again, that's WHY I ASKED FOR ADVICE SO WE COULD STOP THIS IMMEDIATELY. If they ran out the gate all the time I wouldn't have thought that one instance was so awful. They KNOW better than to do it. The problem was that they did it because they were doing it together and no punishment would bother them then because they'd be in trouble together. And that issue is new with them, like I keep saying.
QualiTcare: the owner and I are united on the discipline of the children. Things have changed a lot in the last few months with the children's behavior, and we're both enforcing the same rules, we're backing each other up on the dicipline, we agree together on what needs to be done about certain situations, etc. I'm sorry I told you anything about this or things in the past. Things can change. Sometimes we can have a rough stretch of time, as all providers do, and have chaotic weeks, but then the children finally realize we mean business, and are serious, and they shape up pretty quickly. Especially when parents finally back us up... a lot of it depends on what the children are going through a home, too.
I was asking about this particular instance. Thank you everyone who gave advice (and very good advice, too, imo). We're going to try seperating them this week, not letting them choose where to sit or who to sit beside, removing them from whoever they were playing with if they start in with threats or bribes...the things some of you have mentioned.
The owner and I are in agreement with this situation of the 5 yr old girls (someone asked how old they are. Two of them are 5, one is 4) that this has got to be stopped now. I KNOW it has to be stopped now, that's why I asked for your advice. The children are NOT running the show (I was frustrated and exaggerated I guess). I meant that the 5 yr olds are TRYING to lately, and again, that's WHY I ASKED FOR ADVICE SO WE COULD STOP THIS IMMEDIATELY. If they ran out the gate all the time I wouldn't have thought that one instance was so awful. They KNOW better than to do it. The problem was that they did it because they were doing it together and no punishment would bother them then because they'd be in trouble together. And that issue is new with them, like I keep saying.
QualiTcare: the owner and I are united on the discipline of the children. Things have changed a lot in the last few months with the children's behavior, and we're both enforcing the same rules, we're backing each other up on the dicipline, we agree together on what needs to be done about certain situations, etc. I'm sorry I told you anything about this or things in the past. Things can change. Sometimes we can have a rough stretch of time, as all providers do, and have chaotic weeks, but then the children finally realize we mean business, and are serious, and they shape up pretty quickly. Especially when parents finally back us up... a lot of it depends on what the children are going through a home, too.
I was asking about this particular instance. Thank you everyone who gave advice (and very good advice, too, imo). We're going to try seperating them this week, not letting them choose where to sit or who to sit beside, removing them from whoever they were playing with if they start in with threats or bribes...the things some of you have mentioned.
. You're right that we went through a really rough patch with the children and you were really good to give some much needed advice then. Things have changed since then and are going much smoother now. We (the owner and myself) started focusing one one or two children at a time and really "cracking down" on their behaviors. After the first 3 or 4 children we had the most trouble with, the rest of the group started falling in line more (with the exception of the possibly autistic boy). So lately we just have some "bumps in the road" as Nannyde phrased it, and this was one of them that caught me by surprise, as it was entirely new (I was not prepared for a 4 year old telling another child not to be nice to so and so or they'd do xyz to them. And their complete indifference to consequences for not listening because they had three of them that would be in trouble together). You've heard of some other bumps in the road lately through recent posts, but they are pretty much the biggest problems and are more annoying than anything. 
painting, play doh, puzzles, etc when WE want to do it so it's always done at a time when we have plenty of time and energy to supervise and assist.
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