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  • MarinaVanessa
    Family Childcare Home
    • Jan 2010
    • 7211

    My DH Can't Keep Daycare & Personal Separate

    Okay you guys, this is going to be a long ride.

    A little over a year ago I broke the no family/friends/neighbors as clients rule. Before you all get Judgy McJuggerson on me (which I'm sure I deserve but don't want to hear right now : let me explain that I crossed my T's and dotted my I's before enrolling them and it's my DH who I'm having a hard time with.

    My DH's best friend and his wife (let's call them BF & BFW) who we are both really close to, have a son (now 2) and they didn't want to take him to a stranger. BF's mom does daycare but she lives 25 minutes away from where they live and I live 2 minutes away from their house. BF's mom also lives in the opposite direction from where they work. So they approached me about taking their LO and I did express my concerns about friends as clients and they agreed to follow all rules/the contract and never asked for a discount or anything like that. Their schedule is 9-5 (BF picks up, BFW gets off at 5pm but has an hour commute). My other daycare kids get picked up by 4:30 so my days would end at 5pm which I did like. So after thinking about it for a few weeks I agreed to watch him.

    Fast forward to August. Fall ball starts and DCD is on a league and he asked if it would be alright if I could watch DCB until 6pm on Tuesdays so he could play, his wife would pick up. Not that big a deal, their son is super easy so I agreed. That worked out well for a couple of months. He then asked me if I could also do it SOME Wednesdays because his brother who is on another team needed a backup sub some nights when he didn't have enough players. I reminded him that Wednesdays I take my daughter to Girl Scouts and that I needed his son to be picked up no later than 6pm, they both say it's no problem. It became a problem.

    If BFW doesn't wrap up and leave RIGHT at 5pm she doesn't make it here by 6pm. If she stays a little later like let's say 15 minutes then she doesn't get here until 6:15pm. Tues is not a problem for me if she's a bit late but Wed are. I need to leave here right at 6pm to make it to GS at 6:15 when it starts. I was ready to talk to them about it but my DH stepped in and offered them to watch their son if they were late and I'd leave at 6pm no matter what. Since the whole point was that I just didn't want to be the one to be inconvenienced and DH was offering I didn't see it as a big deal. I told DH it was his responsibility now to make sure he didn't make plans on either of those days because that was the agreement HE made with them. DH says fine.

    "Every Tuesday and occasionally on Wednesdays" has now turned into every Tues & Wed and somehow it has turned into sometimes Thursdays too. I didn't make that deal with DH's friend, my DH did so I tell DH fine but you take care of it, don't make it my issue. I remind DH that his BFW is expecting baby #2 early January and that baby will be coming here also so when the winter ball season starts he needs to keep in mind that not only will it be their 2 year old but he'll now also have a newborn to watch as well. He had not considered that, he has not talked to his friend about it, not my concern. It's my DH's deal. I WILL NOT be watching either kids on Wednesdays after 6pm.

    So last Friday DH husband and I had date night planned and were going to leave as soon as BF gets here. We had dinner and a movie planned. We hardly ever get this opportunity because we have 4 kids and no one wants to watch 4 kids ::. At 5:15 BF is still not here and I go toI'm about to text him and DH tells me to give him another 5 mins. I do, he still isn't here yet. DH says he'll take care of it. DH texts him, BF responds and then DH tells me that his friend will be here at 6pm and my DH AGREED TO IT . BF gets here at 6:15 . I don't say anything to BF because my DH approved that deal so my issue is with DH. We don't have time to go to dinner at that point and only get to watch the movie. I did ream my DH about ruining our plans for his friend's convenience and expressed my concerns that his buddy never even texted or called to ASK if it was ok in advance because my DH is always agreeing to everything. I am also close to BF (we all know each other from 3rd grade to now) and I'm close to BFW so I feel like now they're becoming too familiar and the boundaries that I had set up are now useless.

    Now let's get to yesterday. It's getting close to 5pm and my DH gets a text from BF (not me) asking if DH can drop off his son at his house. Apparently he had out of town friends come into town, went out to happy hour with them and had one too many drinks before getting dropped off at his house. He was in no condition to drive so he asked DH to drop his son off to him. I was SUPER PEEVED.

    My DH doesn't understand what the big deal is. I tried to explain to my husband that I want to have clear boundaries and that my DH isn't allowing that. DH of course stuck up for BF and says that his friend was being responsible and instead of driving himself here tipsy and driving his son home like that he instead reached out so his son could have a safe ride home.
    I countered that had he actually been responsible he would have never gotten to the point of not being able to drive or pick up his own son when knew he needed to and that now because of all of the favors my husband was allowing BF was at the point where he thinks he can go out during the afternoon, drink, and not have to worry about picking up his son because he knows that someone here will help him.

    We were also in the middle of packing for a trip we leave for on Friday evening and cooking dinner so for me to have my husband stop what he was doing to help BF out was inconveniencing me. I did tell my DH that he couldn't take DCB until DH had gotten all of the stuff together that I needed so that I could finish up that part of the packing so DCB didn't get dropped off at home until 6:30pm. And yes, my DH watched DCB AND did his packing during that time.

    So now apparently it's ok to pick up until 6pm on Mon, Tues, Wed, Thurs and Fri. with no notice

    And as a side note:
    The last time DH and I had date night planned we invited another couple so we could double date and it was to celebrate something I accomplished so I got to pick the restaurant. We also extended an invitation to the kid-free dinner to BF and BFW.
    Wouldn't you know that they not only asked us to make an exception so that they can bring their kid but they also asked to have the restaurant changed because I chose Korean BBQ and they were afraid the open grill was going to be a safety hazard for their son .
    I didn't want to change the place and I didn't want to have kids there I made that perfectly clear to my DH and DH still approached me to try to have it all changed. My DH started to give me a hard time about it and I told him if they were going to take their son, or change the restaurant then it wouldn't be a celebration for me so we could take a raincheck for my dinner and could reschedule it for another day, I'd stay home and he could go out and hang out with our friends.
    We ended up eating Korean BBQ without BF, BFW or their 2 year old.

    If you see me on an episode of snapped it's because I murdered my husband.

    And THIS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN is exactly why you should not enroll people you are familiar with. And don't let anyone guilt you or sweet talk you into changing any of your own rules, not even your DH.
    Now I have an issue to resolve and don't even know how to approach it! HELP!!
  • Cat Herder
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 13744

    #2
    Originally posted by MarinaVanessa
    Now I have an issue to resolve and don't even know how to approach it! HELP!!
    BF and BFW are not friends of the marriage. Plain and simple. You don't need friends like that. :hug:

    I'd tell them to find other childcare arrangements because the current one is stressing your friendship and marriage. If DH has a problem with you trying to strengthen your marriage maybe he needs to look at what need this BF fills for him. It is really worth his marriage?

    By his supporting your decision for them to move on to other care he will be protecting both relationships if they were mutual to begin with. If BF is offended and storms off, he was not really a BF to begin with.
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    • storybookending
      Daycare.com Member
      • Jan 2017
      • 1484

      #3
      I don’t agree that having close friends or family as clients is always a bad thing but it sounds like your situation sure got out of control really fast. I am sorry that this is causing you so much stress. I think it’s time you sit down with your DH and explain to him that this is YOUR business. Not his. His friend or not this is not what you had agreed to when you took on this family. You are going to have to be frank with DH, explain why this is an issue and how you are worried it is cutting into your personal and family time. Then you are going to have to sit down with this family again and go over the contract as they are now to the point where they are taking advantage of you.

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      • MarinaVanessa
        Family Childcare Home
        • Jan 2010
        • 7211

        #4
        Originally posted by Cat Herder
        BF and BFW are not friends of the marriage. Plain and simple. You don't need friends like that. :hug:

        I'd tell them to find other childcare arrangements because the current one is stressing your friendship and marriage. If DH has a problem with you trying to strengthen your marriage maybe he needs to look at what need this BF fills for him. It is really worth his marriage?

        By his supporting your decision for them to move on to other care he will be protecting both relationships if they were mutual to begin with. If BF is offended and storms off, he was not really a BF to begin with.
        I have been friends with DH and BF since 3rd grade, we all grew up together. I know BF well enough to know that if I approach it the problem can be corrected but not when my DH constantly makes his own agreements with BF. So my issue is really with DH.

        For example if I tell BF that I can no longer accommodate the 6pm pick up time he'll accept it but then DH might talk to him at the gym or somewhere else and then tell BF not to worry about it and that it's not a problem afterall. My DH is undermining my authority.

        I'v been struggling with DH. More so in the past than now but it's still a struggle. I almost walked away from the marriage about 3-4 years ago because I felt like he didn't take me seriously. If something isn't an inconvenience to him or he feels like it isn't an issue then it isn't an issue ... even if it's an issue to me. KWIM

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        • Snowmom
          Daycare.com Member
          • Jan 2015
          • 1689

          #5
          Originally posted by Cat Herder
          BF and BFW are not friends of the marriage. Plain and simple. You don't need friends like that. :hug:

          I'd tell them to find other childcare arrangements because the current one is stressing your friendship and marriage. If DH has a problem with you trying to strengthen your marriage maybe he needs to look at what need this BF fills for him. It is really worth his marriage?

          By his supporting your decision for them to move on to other care he will be protecting both relationships if they were mutual to begin with. If BF is offended and storms off, he was not really a BF to begin with.
          ^ Yes!

          This is now leeching into your personal life and the lines between business and pleasure are no longer clear and it sounds like they're all good with that.

          I'd cut ties with them too to save my husband's life.

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          • midaycare
            Daycare.com Member
            • Jan 2014
            • 5658

            #6
            I would tell the BF you need to go back to 5 p.m. now. Like yesterday. If that doesn't work for BF and BFW, then they need to find alternate care.

            DH should be supporting you in this. It may be his BF, but it's stressing YOU out.

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            • Country Kids
              Nature Lover
              • Mar 2011
              • 5051

              #7
              Is your DH part of your childcare as an employee? If not, I wouldn't think legally he would be able to watch the child. Also, I would watch having the child there after your business hours, because if anything were to happen it may cause issues for your insurance and business.
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              • boy_mom
                Daycare.com Member
                • Oct 2017
                • 208

                #8
                I think cutting ties is the best bet! Even if you reinstate the 5pm pick up time, it won't be long before you end back in your current predicament.

                I would just be upfront with BF, since you guys are so close. Just explain, you wish it had worked out but between BF asking for special treatment by picking up at 6pm one day a week (which they agreed not to do) and then DH going crazy bending over backwards for them it's just not working out. I would lay the blame at both their (BF and DH) feet for doing the things they agreed not to do in the beginning.

                If it were me, I wouldn't even discuss it with DH, this is your business! i would give them a two week notice and let them know that you are back to 5pm pick ups beginning ASAP. If DH has a problem tell him he can nanny for them at their house but you are no longer ok with the situation!

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                • MarinaVanessa
                  Family Childcare Home
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 7211

                  #9
                  DCB will be getting picked up early today so I will be able to talk to BF today at that time without my DH being here.
                  I don't see it as it being a problem going back to the 5pm pickup time, BF doesn't think it's an issue because DH tells him it's not an issue. And them being clients was never an issue until DH started butting in. Ugh.

                  I'm just going to talk to BF alone today and let him know that anything having to do with the care of his son has to go through me, not DH. And I don't want to throw my DH under the bus but I need to tell BF that DH has been undermining me and that unless I say it's ok, it's not.

                  DH and I have been in counseling for YEARS now and I'm supposed to pick my battles but he's really starting to interfere with the way I run my business. He just doesn't see why I'm "making such a big deal about it".

                  Originally posted by storybookending
                  I think it’s time you sit down with your DH and explain to him that this is YOUR business. Not his. His friend or not this is not what you had agreed to when you took on this family. You are going to have to be frank with DH, explain why this is an issue and how you are worried it is cutting into your personal and family time. Then you are going to have to sit down with this family again and go over the contract as they are now to the point where they are taking advantage of you.
                  Yes I have to talk to DH too. This will be the thousandth conversation/argument I will have with him about staying out of the way I run my business, respecting that I have my own thoughts and opinions and to stop dismissing my decisions and feelings. He's the real struggle, everything else is easy. At first he'll dismiss it, then he'll argue it and finally he'll apologize for going against what I say and he'll promise not to do it again. Then in a couple of weeks I'll be having the same conversation with him but about a different topic. I don't know how to explain it so that it actually sticks. I am a half of this marriage and I get a say so too.

                  Originally posted by Snowmom
                  ^ Yes!

                  This is now leeching into your personal life and the lines between business and pleasure are no longer clear and it sounds like they're all good with that.

                  I'd cut ties with them too to save my husband's life.
                  Can someone take advantage of someone if they don't know they are doing it? My DH offers an alternative solution sometimes even after I have already said no or just tells them it's ok when I have told my husband that it isn't.

                  Originally posted by midaycare
                  I would tell the BF you need to go back to 5 p.m. now. Like yesterday. If that doesn't work for BF and BFW, then they need to find alternate care.

                  DH should be supporting you in this. It may be his BF, but it's stressing YOU out.
                  Yep having that talk today with BF.

                  DH should be supporting me, but he doesn't

                  I don't mean to sound all woe-is-me. Yesterday was just the final straw. It's one thing to make bad decisions and then have to fix them himself (like find a ride to get his son or *gasp* not drink and be responsible so you can drive to get your kid on time) but another is to have my DH come to the rescue when he knows I'm not ok with it.

                  "You teach people how to treat you".
                  My DH is allowing BF to do these things and will accommodate him, BF doesn't even know I have an issue with it. He will today.

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                  • MarinaVanessa
                    Family Childcare Home
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 7211

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Country Kids
                    Is your DH part of your childcare as an employee? If not, I wouldn't think legally he would be able to watch the child. Also, I would watch having the child there after your business hours, because if anything were to happen it may cause issues for your insurance and business.
                    He is not but he has been background checked, has all required immunizations, has pediatric and adult CPR/First Aid and has cleared his TB test. He covers for me when I have appointments and legally we are following all of the requirements to use him as a sub.

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                    • midaycare
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Jan 2014
                      • 5658

                      #11
                      To be honest, I would ditch these friends if they are causing you this much stress. It may not be probable if your DH is super good friends with them, but you guys have to do what is best for you two.

                      My own DH and I have been through the ringer and the thing I really learned is not to put words in his mouth or thoughts in his head. So be cool as a cucumber when you talk to DH :hug: What he is thinking may be totally different than what you think he's thinking, kwim?

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                      • Cat Herder
                        Advanced Daycare.com Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 13744

                        #12
                        I do understand the state of your marriage is the bigger issue.

                        I would solve the immediate issue first then decide where you want to go with the marriage. Without the unnecessary stress. A possible divorce with four kids is not something to tiptoe around. It is going to take work and fewer distractions to strengthen it or leave it. :hug:
                        - Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.

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                        • DaveA
                          Daycare.com Member and Bladesmith
                          • Jul 2014
                          • 4245

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Cat Herder
                          I'd tell them to find other childcare arrangements because the current one is stressing your friendship and marriage.
                          This is it in a nutshell. The boundaries aren't being honored and intentionally or not they're playing you and your DH off each other to get what they want. Time to part ways professionally before it blows your friendships out of the water. And before you end up on "Snapped: ::

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                          • storybookending
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Jan 2017
                            • 1484

                            #14
                            Sorry to hear about your struggles with DH. Sounds like a sticky situation overall. Good luck talking to BF at pick up today. I hope it works out for you.

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                            • Mom2Two
                              Daycare.com Member
                              • Jan 2015
                              • 1855

                              #15
                              I got the impression that the problem started with the special late pick up times (any and all). The first half of your thread reads just like a situation with one of my families, and they were total strangers when they started.

                              But problem #2 is DH acting like it's his call how you run your business. This is your profession--does he want you setting up meetings for him/choose which jobs he takes/volunteering him to work overtime (or whatever he does)? Would he want you to loan his car to your friends without you asking him? What if he did agree for you to loan his car to one of your friends, then it was a lot, then they started scratching it and leaving popcorn on the floor? But that's exactly what is happening to you.

                              If you change your policies is DH going to freak? Is there a possibility of a third approach, like enforcing a policy of charging $1 for "babysitting" i.e. for having kids for personal time? That way you could enforce it for all your families and not make it look like you're picking on his friends.

                              Oh, and definitely charge a fee for the designated driver pick up. Does he really want you to turn into the free babysitter for all your friends? Would he like it as much if you sat for one of your friends on a time when he reeeaaaalllly doesn't want kids around at all?

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