Fingerprinting

[LysesKids]

The fingerprinting alone is not why providers are quitting here but the combination of unrealistic rules/regualtions along with constant NEW expectations where providers are IMO set up to fail instead of succeed due to the overwhelming CRAZY guidelines. My state are awaiting new guidelines right now regarding education stipulations to be implemented 2018. These mandates are Federal so they have to be implemented...it is up to each state how they do this.....slowly or quickly. But it is MONEY and all states want the MONEY. I have rolled with change for 25 years, but I foresee another drop off in providers with these new rules. just my opinions but I feel strongly this is the path we are headed in my state!

Yep... all the licensed providers in my county have now gone licensed exempt; the regulations TN has imposed & are about to implement are the reason.

[Cat Herder]

Yep... all the licensed providers in my county have now gone licensed exempt; the regulations TN has imposed & are about to implement are the reason.

We tried to do that, here, then they dropped the legal number to only 2 kids before having to be licensed. Rates would have to triple.

Proves *they really don't care about affordable childcare. They care about funneling federal funding to local schools under the guise of childcare affordability.

I don't disagree that the public schools need more sustainable funding, but this is not the way to do it.

[Annalee]

We tried to do that, here, then they dropped the legal number to only 2 kids before having to be licensed. Rates would have to triple.

Proves *they really don't care about affordable childcare. They care about funneling federal funding to local schools under the guise of childcare affordability.

I don't disagree that the public schools need more sustainable funding, but this is not the way to do it.

It is a spiral downhill from now on. I hope I make to my retirement age but beginning to doubt!

[Blackcat31]

I'm not understanding what the states forcing to quit gain from doing so. Can someone enlighten me?

We have background checks but not "mug shots" and no one under 18 needs to get one here in my state so this is all new to me.

I think my state wants all kids in FREE (to families) universal pre-K under the Dept of Ed verses family child care (under Human Services) and has been trying to head that way for years now. Of course Pre-K would encompass birth to Kindy age.

The state tried unionizing FCC child care (providers successfully fought it repeatedly) and they've tried to implement free Pre-K for 3-5 yr olds too... some districts got it and other's didn't.
Not enough funding or support for it.

If all FCC provider's quit (some due to unionization, some due to losing kids to FREE pre-k, some to not liking/wanting to do QRIS, some due to reg changes in accepting state assistance and some due to this new fingerprint rule) then the "shortage" we supposedly have going on will of course "force" free pre-k to happen.

After all, without FCC providers there will be no other option besides center based care or state offered Pre-K.

[MarinaVanessa]

I think my state wants all kids in FREE (to families) universal pre-K under the Dept of Ed verses family child care (under Human Services) and has been trying to head that way for years now. Of course Pre-K would encompass birth to Kindy age.

The state tried unionizing FCC child care (providers successfully fought it repeatedly) and they've tried to implement free Pre-K for 3-5 yr olds too... some districts got it and other's didn't.
Not enough funding or support for it.

If all FCC provider's quit (some due to unionization, some due to losing kids to FREE pre-k, some to not liking/wanting to do QRIS, some due to reg changes in accepting state assistance and some due to this new fingerprint rule) then the "shortage" we supposedly have going on will of course "force" free pre-k to happen.

After all, without FCC providers there will be no other option besides center based care or state offered Pre-K.

Gotcha. But if there isn't enough funding for free pre-k now how will the state pay for pre-k once FCC is pushed out? I mean I know that the gov't does a lot things backwards but they can't really think that it's going to work do they? Where is the money going to come from :confused:

[Blackcat31]

Gotcha. But if there isn't enough funding for free pre-k now how will the state pay for pre-k once FCC is pushed out? I mean I know that the gov't does a lot things backwards but they can't really think that it's going to work do they? Where is the money going to come from :confused:

if there is no FCC then all the state assistance $'s and the funding for training, licensing and grants/scholarships etc will need to be spent somewhere.

Not to mention the money the federal government gives to each school district for each student enrolled.

[Fiddlesticks]

I do believe the state wants the 3 and 4 year olds in school full time, but I believe even they have to know that the birth to 2 crowd is wholly incompatible with the school setting.

The reason our govenor wants pre-K in the schools is because every teacher in the public school system pays union dues whether they are in the union or not. Add pre-K to the school districts and you add another grade level, or two if you can get the 3s in, of teachers paying union dues state wide. Cha-Ching$$$!

[tenderhearts]

We are required to in Oregon if you are 18 and older. We have to do an extensive background check which was $30 or $35 per person,(I can't remember ) and the fingerprinting is $10 for each person. Before when we did the background check it only cost $10 per person.

[Blackcat31]

I do believe the state wants the 3 and 4 year olds in school full time, but I believe even they have to know that the birth to 2 crowd is wholly incompatible with the school setting.

The reason our govenor wants pre-K in the schools is because every teacher in the public school system pays union dues whether they are in the union or not. Add pre-K to the school districts and you add another grade level, or two if you can get the 3s in, of teachers paying union dues state wide. Cha-Ching$$$!

They are trying it here.
They want to build a new multimillion $ facility her to house birth to K for universal Pre-K. It's been discussed to the point of there is nothing left to discuss....the community has voted not but they just keep trying saying how badly we need this since there is a huge shortage of care. The papers and media in my community say 530 kids that have no where to go..... yet most the providers I know are actively advertising to fill spaces.

I also don't buy into the infant space shortage either.
I know many providers that have infant openings but parents want sporadic care, to pay only for the care they use and they want varying/odd scheduling options which no family child care provider can manage with the ratios the way they are. If the state truly wanted to help, they could re-arrange the ratios we have so that providers could enroll more kids under age 2.

[Annalee]

They are trying it here.
They want to build a new multimillion $ facility her to house birth to K for universal Pre-K. It's been discussed to the point of there is nothing left to discuss....the community has voted not but they just keep trying saying how badly we need this since there is a huge shortage of care. The papers and media in my community say 530 kids that have no where to go..... yet most the providers I know are actively advertising to fill spaces.

I also don't buy into the infant space shortage either.
I know many providers that have infant openings but parents want sporadic care, to pay only for the care they use and they want varying/odd scheduling options which no family child care provider can manage with the ratios the way they are. If the state truly wanted to help, they could re-arrange the ratios we have so that providers could enroll more kids under age 2.

Agree with all of this! Providers in my state just had to report how many kids with ages along with kids and ages on our waiting list to licensing to show how the "under 2" children are dominating and the ratios do not allow for providers to enroll them. Not sure what 2018 holds for child care, particular FCC, in my state but I am hopeful but not holding my breath about the new rules/regulations. I am afraid the MONEY is talking more than anything and that will NOT be in the best interest of the children, nor the provider.:confused:

[Play Care]

. The papers and media in my community say 530 kids that have no where to go..... yet most the providers I know are actively advertising to fill spaces.

I also don't buy into the infant space shortage either.
I know many providers that have infant openings but parents want sporadic care, to pay only for the care they use and they want varying/odd scheduling options which no family child care provider can manage with the ratios the way they are. If the state truly wanted to help, they could re-arrange the ratios we have so that providers could enroll more kids under age 2.

This is my biggest peeve. I had a situation where I would have had 3 under 2 for maybe a month and they refused to grant a waiver. The ages at the time were 18 months, 22 months and it would have been a 6 month old. There is a HUGE difference in maturity/ability between 12 months and even 16 months. At the time both toddlers were walking (well), talking, and on the same schedule as the other kids. There was no legitimate safety reason as to why I couldn't also take the 6 month old other than "it's the reg!" This left mom scrambling for care (as initially it was okayed but then the regs changed and it wasn't allowed anymore)
It would make more sense if they did it by developmental progress, rather than age IMO.

[daycarediva]

This is my biggest peeve. I had a situation where I would have had 3 under 2 for maybe a month and they refused to grant a waiver. The ages at the time were 18 months, 22 months and it would have been a 6 month old. There is a HUGE difference in maturity/ability between 12 months and even 16 months. At the time both toddlers were walking (well), talking, and on the same schedule as the other kids. There was no legitimate safety reason as to why I couldn't also take the 6 month old other than "it's the reg!" This left mom scrambling for care (as initially it was okayed but then the regs changed and it wasn't allowed anymore)
It would make more sense if they did it by developmental progress, rather than age IMO.

YES! Good luck getting a waiver in NYS. Honestly, 0-12 months should be considered infants. Maybe making it 2 age 0-12, 2 age 12-24?

I agree with BC- they aren't trying to help parents, they're trying to create a birth-college center based care. Because $$$.

[CityGarden]

I'm in CA. Anyone living in the household and/or employed in the house over the age of 18 must be fingerprinted according to licensing. if I were to have a housekeeper who came during daycare hours and she was over 18 I would have to take the kids outside while she cleaned the downstairs.

It cost me about $45-$55 per adult to have it done depending on where it was done. The Sheriff's was the least expensive for me.

For us it's a one-time thing that we have to do when we first get licensed.
Our check goes through the Department of Justice and the CA Child Abuse Central Index

Ditto the above for me, since I am also in California. I used a mobile person to finger print which was slightly more maybe $60 but they came to my home while my dd was doing homework so it was worth the added funds. I would do it the same way for any future employees just to "see" it done myself...

[Play Care]

YES! Good luck getting a waiver in NYS. Honestly, 0-12 months should be considered infants. Maybe making it 2 age 0-12, 2 age 12-24?

I agree with BC- they aren't trying to help parents, they're trying to create a birth-college center based care. Because $$$.

Yup. And now with the new federal funding they have to do unannounced full inspections once a year. Those visits are tough enough when they are planned. But 2+ hours unannounced?! Who's watching the kids?! Did I mention that I am not renewing...

[LysesKids]

I just found updated regs for TN proposed for 2018... it includes a 5 panel drug test, and infants will change from up to 15 months to 0-12 months... I don't worry about the drug panel because Indiana regs required 10 panel & I did that in 2004-05 . I've been fingerprinted in many states - it's those that don't want to do printing I worry about. It's like getting a passport Nowen days... you get vetted thoroughly