When Another Provider Admits They Operate Illegally

[LysesKids]

Sorry I mouthed off but people like this irritate me to no end... the un registered guest probably isn't even half my age . Have a great day everyone

[daycarediva]

Is unregistered a poster logged out? I wish we could do away with unregistered completely. Drives me crazy.

Don't feed the trolls.

I have a BA in ECE, I would report anyone who is operating illegally. I'm not one for big government, but everyone should follow the laws.

This isn't just a grandma watching grandkids or neighborhood kids on the cheap, unknowingly breaking some rules. It is a woman blatantly breaking several laws, including felony level fraud and tax evasion. BIG difference unregistered. Maybe your feathers are ruffled because you're doing the same?

[Rockgirl]

Is unregistered a poster logged out? I wish we could do away with unregistered completely. Drives me crazy.

Don't feed the trolls.

I have a BA in ECE, I would report anyone who is operating illegally. I'm not one for big government, but everyone should follow the laws.

This isn't just a grandma watching grandkids or neighborhood kids on the cheap, unknowingly breaking some rules. It is a woman blatantly breaking several laws, including felony level fraud and tax evasion. BIG difference unregistered. Maybe your feathers are ruffled because you're doing the same?

So hard, but right!

[Cat Herder]

Is unregistered a poster logged out?

Admin can tell who the poster is.

[Cat Herder]

Illegal and Legally Unlicensed are two different things.

There are variances allowed for special circumstances.

There are "related care" exemptions.

There are "no pay" exemptions.

There are "migrant care" exemptions.

There are "religious" exemptions.

There are more loopholes to legal exemptions than there are rationalizations to operate illegally.

Do the research, get creative, get legal. By doing so you get access to resources, training and tax write off's.

**** 0 stars is better than a conviction that prevents you from working with kids later. 0 stars still means that you meet all childcare licensing regulations. 1 star means going above and beyond.... The highest star rating generally means you are meeting some personal goal for self fulfillment. ***

With all the parents out there that still choose illegal care, obviously ratings mean diddly squat in your market. What is to loose??

[laundrymom]

Lol. I must giggle at this.
Please understand I have the utmost respect for teachers in public or private schools, and for nurses in public and private practices, however, being either has no bearing on ones ability to be an early childhood educator.
It's a completely different ballgame.
Stop comparing them.
ECE is as individualized as any other kind of teacher and for the troll who is trying to get people to argue, . I just giggle.
I stand by my first response.
If you are stealing and I find out, I will turn you in.
If you are operating an illegal childcare, I will turn you in.
If you have a teaching background but are now a childcare provider you are no more qualified than anyone else. If you have a nursing background but are now a childcare provider, you are no more qualified than anyone else.

I have never understood why some people think they are better providers because they can make nifty lesson plans or give meds.

Neither have anything to do with ensuring the needs of early childhood are met.

[Blackcat31]

Neither have anything to do with ensuring the needs of early childhood are met.

It depends on what your (general you) state's requirements are and how they define ECE.

Care is one thing.

Education is a whole 'nother ball game for some.

[Josiegirl]

Every single thing children learn is part of their education, whether it comes from the mom and dad, their provider, the elementary school teacher or their best friend. We need to stay on the right track to teach these little ones honesty, respect, patience, empathy and compassion.

If a school teacher is calling their dcprovider 'two ton Teri' what is that teaching her dd? Just using that particular example because it was very recent on the forum.

We are all teachers, educators of some nature. I don't have a degree. Everything I have learned has been through hands-on experience and workshops.

I think far more important than a degree is a desire to help guide children into forming positive traits of acceptance, tolerance, wonderment, kindness. That child and I can open up the pages of a book and learn so much together. But first that child needs to feel loved and secure, feel the desire to learn(a depressed unloved scared child hasn't much room or time in her worried mind to learn anything).

Unregistered is rude; I wouldn't care what you taught or how well you taught it, sometimes a degree is merely a piece of paper to wave in front of people. Obviously you neglected to sign up for Tactful Kindness 101.

JMO
Ducking the tomato throwers now

[Josiegirl]

It depends on what your (general you) state's requirements are and how they define ECE.

Care is one thing.

Education is a whole 'nother ball game for some.

Yes. And I hate how the government barges in and KNOWS exactly what the children need. We all know how well standardized teaching works with different learning styles and temperaments, different personalities and needs of children. Sorry, I detest pigeonholing; I feel that's what the government has always helped create.

Guess I need more chocolate in my life.

[laundrymom]

Very true.

It depends on what your (general you) state's requirements are and how they define ECE.

Care is one thing.

Education is a whole 'nother ball game for some.

[Blackcat31]

Unregistered is rude; Obviously you neglected to sign up for Tactful Kindness 101.

:: Agreed!

Yes. And I hate how the government barges in and KNOWS exactly what the children need. We all know how well standardized teaching works with different learning styles and temperaments, different personalities and needs of children. Sorry, I detest pigeonholing; I feel that's what the government has always helped create.

Exactly!

[Best Practices]

Unlicensed Illegal Operations

This is a health and safety concern and needs to be reported. Maybe the fact that this person confided in you is a cry for help. Also, as licensed providers we are mandatory reporters and have a legal responsibility to respond by reporting actions that endanger or put children at risk. In addition, the operating practice of unlicensed providers has a negative impact on those of us who are professionals and earn our living by providing childcare. Good luck and let me know how you respond.

[finsup]

This is a health and safety concern and needs to be reported. Maybe the fact that this person confided in you is a cry for help. Also, as licensed providers we are mandatory reporters and have a legal responsibility to respond by reporting actions that endanger or put children at risk. In addition, the operating practice of unlicensed providers has a negative impact on those of us who are professionals and earn our living by providing childcare. Good luck and let me know how you respond.

Here, we can operate unliscesned if we care for 2 families or less. That's what I do. It doesn't make sense business wise for me to go through the liscensing process (and costs) when I don't want to expand. If I did, I would absolutely do it legally. I am determined to still provide quality care though and it fruesterates me so much when people don't. Or blow off laws and give parents, especially first time parents this is "what to expect" from home daycare in general

I think with this particular provider, she likes the idea of running a professional business but doesn't want to put the work and effort it takes to do it successfully. I spoke with a few other local providers and just asked if they knew anything about her in general. I didn't get good reports back. In addition to all the laws being broken, care is questionable, and not safe. I went ahead and made the report. All i can hope is that this becomes a learning experience for her.

Oh, and to the unregistered...I have taught Kindergarten in public school prior to this. We of all people should be VERY aware of how important the early years of a child's life is. Most illegal providers, at least in this area, are not "grandma caring for a few kids." Most here are people who provide cheap care, for as many kids as possible, often in unsafe, unclean, and overall questionable environments. I can't in good conscience turn a blind eye, I just can't. Provide legal care, or lobby to change the requirements for liscensing.

[Unregistered]

Admin can tell who the poster is.

They don't know who I am. They've banned me several times, but I keep coming back.

[Cat Herder]

For lurkers and Parents: I think there is sometimes a confusion of what a mandatory reporter is and how it relates to illegal providers. The only reason you should report to child protective services is suspected abuse. Mandated Reporters cannot report to CPS anonymously. We are legally required to give statements and stand up in court and testify.

"Mandated Reporters are persons who, as a result of their profession, are more likely to be aware of abuse or neglect. Mandated Reporters are required by law to report cases of suspected abuse."

"The standard for reporting suspected abuse and neglect is "reasonable cause to believe" which means that mandated reporters need only a " mere suspicion" that abuse or neglect was committed."

Illegal providers (unless suspected neglect or abuse) should be reported to your local Childcare Resource and Referral Agency. This can be done anonymously. They do not have a swat team. They do not have the power to arrest anyone. They help you get legal. They offer training and resources. They also grant variances and exemptions. Granted, if a provider bows up and refuses to comply with state laws, they will take further action.

* Mine just delivered a semi truck full of furniture, art supplies and toys from a grant program. No, the hoops were not easy, but they actually delivered on their promise.