When Another Provider Admits They Operate Illegally

[TomCopeland]

What to do about providers operating illegally

I've written an article inspired by this thread: http://tomcopelandblog.com/caregiver...ting-illegally

[MyAngels]

How do I even respond? I don't want to respond in anger, but I can't in good conscience reply "oh that's great!" What would you do?

I most likely would not respond to her at all. I would, however, report this to the various agencies that would be involved - here it would be DHS, the IRS and DCFS.

As PPs said, this is fraud and theft. Those are my tax dollars going to pay for the subsidies that she did not earn, and it would be my conscience that would have to live with it if anything happened to those children because she was "over ratio" and stretched too thin.

If more legally operating providers would take action in these situations instead of looking the other way, it might work to put a dent in those flagrantly illegal daycare operations.

[Cat Herder]

Great article.

I'd also like to see something published about the fact that when horrible things happen in illegal daycare's the media simply refers to them as "home daycare" or "local childcare provider".

I know things happen in both illegal and legal settings, it would just be nice to have the actual data for both. Just once.

[finsup]

I most likely would not respond to her at all. I would, however, report this to the various agencies that would be involved - here it would be DHS, the IRS and DCFS.

As PPs said, this is fraud and theft. Those are my tax dollars going to pay for the subsidies that she did not earn, and it would be my conscience that would have to live with it if anything happened to those children because she was "over ratio" and stretched too thin.

If more legally operating providers would take action in these situations instead of looking the other way, it might work to put a dent in those flagrantly illegal daycare operations.

This is what im thinking too. She's messaged me again, asking about rates for a new family which annoys me. It's like you're already over ratio! The answer to them is "I am full." The lack of honesty and integrity is a huge pet peeve of mine. She's not close enough to me to be my compatition but regardless, it's still wrong. I doubt any reply I give will change her mind :/ Didn't do a lot of good the last time I tried. Reporting is probably the best way to go, let the state handle it and maybe they'll impose some consequences that will change the way she does things. Or at any rate, they will at least have her on their radar.

[laundrymom]

"Let me get back to you. I've got a call in to my licensing rep and the voucher caseworker and I'll let you know what they suggest the rate for a non licensed, over ratio, illegally operating provider who files fraudulent claims for voucher reimbursement is. "

This is what im thinking too. She's messaged me again, asking about rates for a new family which annoys me. It's like you're already over ratio! The answer to them is "I am full." The lack of honesty and integrity is a huge pet peeve of mine. She's not close enough to me to be my compatition but regardless, it's still wrong. I doubt any reply I give will change her mind :/ Didn't do a lot of good the last time I tried. Reporting is probably the best way to go, let the state handle it and maybe they'll impose some consequences that will change the way she does things. Or at any rate, they will at least have her on their radar.

[MyAngels]

This is what im thinking too. She's messaged me again, asking about rates for a new family which annoys me. It's like you're already over ratio! The answer to them is "I am full." The lack of honesty and integrity is a huge pet peeve of mine. She's not close enough to me to be my compatition but regardless, it's still wrong. I doubt any reply I give will change her mind :/ Didn't do a lot of good the last time I tried. Reporting is probably the best way to go, let the state handle it and maybe they'll impose some consequences that will change the way she does things. Or at any rate, they will at least have her on their radar.

IMO you are on the right track with reporting this. If you've already tried talking to her about, she's obviously not getting it. I'd save any written messages she's sent about it, too.

[Josiegirl]

"Let me get back to you. I've got a call in to my licensing rep and the voucher caseworker and I'll let you know what they suggest the rate for a non licensed, over ratio, illegally operating provider who files fraudulent claims for voucher reimbursement is. "

Lol Love it!

[Unregistered]

I love how the true colors come out on threads like this. I always roll my eyes when certain posters complain about things happening to them or how they get taken advantage of for being nice. Before I get called unlicensed, I'm actually not only licensed but a licensed teacher finishing my MA. That's petty and snotty when we define who's a real teacher and who's not. :/

Honestly, besides for not caring, it's a waste of resources. There are children being abused and neglected everyday. Let CPS get to them instead of some granny with one kids over the line. Big corp actually do more shady stuff every day tax wise, but that's cool because it's legal.

[CalCare]

What do you mean by true colors? I mean honestly, what do you mean? That these people think everyone should follow the law? That these posters think they should report when people don't obey the law? What exactly is the big revelation? Did you think the untrue colors that were previously displayed showed providers who wouldn't obey the law and wouldn't report law breakers? I'm truly confused by your comments. Which certain posters make you want to roll your eyes when they complain? I'm so confused what on Earth does the complaining about too nice and getting taken advantage of have to do with this topic of a person defrauding the government and breaking licensing regulations!?

[LysesKids]

I love how the true colors come out on threads like this. I always roll my eyes when certain posters complain about things happening to them or how they get taken advantage of for being nice. Before I get called unlicensed, I'm actually not only licensed but a licensed teacher finishing my MA. That's petty and snotty when we define who's a real teacher and who's not. :/

Honestly, besides for not caring, it's a waste of resources. There are children being abused and neglected everyday. Let CPS get to them instead of some granny with one kids over the line. Big corp actually do more shady stuff every day tax wise, but that's cool because it's legal.

Honey... I have 2 degrees; one as an infant Montessori teacher, one in Criminal law (yes, it was my first degree, the teacher degree was secondary, not to mention 2 certificates for Post Partum Doula care that was gotten in between)... I have also been a substitute teacher in Elementary schools in my state (yes, you know what Qualifications are required there also, so I can say I am on the same level as you). I do not condone illegal care - regardless of what you think is right in your world - what is legally correct is what I go by because of my background

Maybe that is why parents are willing to pay me more more than the illegal lady down the street; and yes I get paid in full, in advance, by the month and my clients know they can take tax deductions

[Nurse Jackie]

The fact that she's telling you all of her secrets lets me know she doesn't have any common sense at all. She deserves to be reported. I hate to see what common sense she uses when caring for children.

[LysesKids]

The fact that she's telling you all of her secrets lets me know she doesn't have any common sense at all. She deserves to be reported. I hate to see what common sense she uses when caring for children.

Those of us that run legal have nothing to hide; we also can be voted for best of the best in our city... yep, I will find out at the end of the month if my home childcare beats out a few centers where I live

[Unregistered]

What do you mean by true colors? I mean honestly, what do you mean? That these people think everyone should follow the law? That these posters think they should report when people don't obey the law? What exactly is the big revelation? Did you think the untrue colors that were previously displayed showed providers who wouldn't obey the law and wouldn't report law breakers? I'm truly confused by your comments. Which certain posters make you want to roll your eyes when they complain? I'm so confused what on Earth does the complaining about too nice and getting taken advantage of have to do with this topic of a person defrauding the government and breaking licensing regulations!?

Of course you are confused. You follow the "laws" and some bs "curriculum" and think you are great. You let the other children BULLY each other in your care, because the children should solve their own problems. Maybe someone should call CPS on you for your confusion and letting children get bullied in your care. You can play Miss. Innocent and Offended all day. :/

[Unregistered]

Honey... I have 2 degrees; one as an infant Montessori teacher, one in Criminal law (yes, it was my first degree, the teacher degree was secondary, not to mention 2 certificates for Post Partum Doula care that was gotten in between)... I have also been a substitute teacher in Elementary schools in my state (yes, you know what Qualifications are required there also, so I can say I am on the same level as you). I do not condone illegal care - regardless of what you think is right in your world - what is legally correct is what I go by because of my background

Maybe that is why parents are willing to pay me more more than the illegal lady down the street; and yes I get paid in full, in advance, by the month and my clients know they can take tax deductions

No, you're not the same as me. I've taught in PUBLIC school. Anyone can be substitute. Montessori isn't a license or degree. Put you and me in No where Kansas and who is going to be picked to teach kindergarten in a public school? Not you, Miss. Montessori Lawyer Obstetrician.

[LysesKids]

No, you're not the same as me. I've taught in PUBLIC school. Anyone can be substitute. Montessori isn't a license or degree. Put you and me in No where Kansas and who is going to be picked to teach kindergarten in a public school? Not you, Miss. Montessori Lawyer Obstetrician.

I was an elementary sub in a public school before I trained for Montessori and in order to actually be Montessori trained you have to have at least a BA degree; do your research before you spout off. And no not everyone can be a sub either without a degree of some kind, at least not here... a Postpartum Doula is way far away from having a medical degree, it takes training, but in a different form... again do some research and stop hiding ... if you are such a great person, why unregistered?