When Another Provider Admits They Operate Illegally

[renodeb]

I knew a provider who would constantly go over ratio and then say it was a niece or nephew, and she had an above ground pool with a fence around it and the gate had a lock for when she needed to lock the gate and she would send the dc kids out unsupervised to swim. (her kids and the dc kids). Someone turned her in and she called wondering if it was me. It wasn't but wow, she tumbled right to that. According to our social worker the hard part is proving it. Our worker could never substantiate. If no body else had turned her in I would of. She was constantly cheating the system.
If you need to turn the person in to clear your conscience then do it. Other wise dont get dragged in.
Deb

[daycare]

This is a hard call.....

I personally try to keep out of this kind of stuff. HOWEVER, I do agree that she is telling you for a reason.

Me, being me, I would try one last time to approach her and say hey, I would like to help you do this the right way before someone turns you in and you are left in a hot mess, what will you do if something happens to one of the kids while in your care??? You are going to go down in flames and I would hate to see that happen to you.

I know that sometimes how we say or words things can have a huge difference, and sometimes it won't matter at all.

You do what you think is best for you and this situation. If is still bugging you in a few days or you are loosing sleep over it, report it.

As for the Unregistered. other than knowing they are from the NY sate area, around Broadway street, there is not too much more that I personally can find about them. Maybe BC can, she's much better at this kind of stuff than I am.

Obviously the unreg is much smarter than us, because they keep finding a way to come back.

And we are so highly desired by this unreg, that they have nothing else to do with their lives than harass us uneducated daycare providers, who know nothing. what a life to have....

Just ignore them!

[Febby]

For lurkers and Parents: I think there is sometimes a confusion of what a mandatory reporter is and how it relates to illegal providers. The only reason you should report to child protective services is suspected abuse. Mandated Reporters cannot report to CPS anonymously. We are legally required to give statements and stand up in court and testify.

"Mandated Reporters are persons who, as a result of their profession, are more likely to be aware of abuse or neglect. Mandated Reporters are required by law to report cases of suspected abuse."

"The standard for reporting suspected abuse and neglect is "reasonable cause to believe" which means that mandated reporters need only a " mere suspicion" that abuse or neglect was committed."

Illegal providers (unless suspected neglect or abuse) should be reported to your local Childcare Resource and Referral Agency. This can be done anonymously. They do not have a swat team. They do not have the power to arrest anyone. They help you get legal. They offer training and resources. They also grant variances and exemptions. Granted, if a provider bows up and refuses to comply with state laws, they will take further action.

* Mine just delivered a semi truck full of furniture, art supplies and toys from a grant program. No, the hoops were not easy, but they actually delivered on their promise.

I've heard of child care workers here getting charged with neglect/abuse overly relatively minor (though 100% unacceptable) incidents, such as briefly leaving a classroom unsupervised, not realizing a child was missing for two minutes, etc. So if workers can be charged over those sort of incidents, then mandated reporter laws would still apply, wouldn't they? Though I'm not sure if they also charge illegal or home providers like that, since I've only ever heard of center workers getting charges like the above. Anytime I hear about illegal or home providers getting neglect/abuse charges, it's usually pretty clearly abuse/neglect.

[Unregistered]

This is a hard call.....

I personally try to keep out of this kind of stuff. HOWEVER, I do agree that she is telling you for a reason.

Me, being me, I would try one last time to approach her and say hey, I would like to help you do this the right way before someone turns you in and you are left in a hot mess, what will you do if something happens to one of the kids while in your care??? You are going to go down in flames and I would hate to see that happen to you.

I know that sometimes how we say or words things can have a huge difference, and sometimes it won't matter at all.

You do what you think is best for you and this situation. If is still bugging you in a few days or you are loosing sleep over it, report it.

As for the Unregistered. other than knowing they are from the NY sate area, around Broadway street, there is not too much more that I personally can find about them. Maybe BC can, she's much better at this kind of stuff than I am.

Obviously the unreg is much smarter than us, because they keep finding a way to come back.

And we are so highly desired by this unreg, that they have nothing else to do with their lives than harass us uneducated daycare providers, who know nothing. what a life to have....

Just ignore them!

I'm not from NY, never posted from NY. How am I harassing anyone? Because I point out when people are wrong? Honestly, I get harassed and called names out because I don't want to be a lemming.

[MunchkinWrangler]

Of course you are confused. You follow the "laws" and some bs "curriculum" and think you are great. You let the other children BULLY each other in your care, because the children should solve their own problems. Maybe someone should call CPS on you for your confusion and letting children get bullied in your care. You can play Miss. Innocent and Offended all day. :/

For the love of all that is good....what is your point?!?

It's one thing if you leave a statement that contributes to the conversation or a valid opinion....but what is truly the point of posting something like this?

It's so easy for people to sit behind a computer screen and spout off on whatever point you are trying to make. At the end of the day it's pathetic and shows lack of character.

That is all.

[Play Care]

To further clarify mandated reporting - we have been told that we are only mandated to report what we observe/find during WORKING hours. There are some professions that are 24/7 mandated (I think police and social workers) but we are not.

So a friend telling you over coffee after hours that she's operating illegally would not merit a mandated report. Watching a mom at the grocery store lose it and beat her kids a$$ wouldn't mandate it (though common decency would)

Essentially you are only mandated for the children in YOUR care during your working hours.

[Mike]

It's so easy for people to sit behind a computer screen and spout off on whatever point you are trying to make. At the end of the day it's pathetic and shows lack of character.

I've seen that a lot on many message boards.

Same as bullying. Now that we have the privacy of the net, a lot more bullying is going on, because the one doing the bullying doesn't have to be strong. They can hide. What they don't realise though, is that if there is sufficient reason, they can be traced. I read a news article last year about a teen who killed herself because of cyberbullying. The bully was a male in his 30's and was going through a proxy so he couldn't be traced. A week after the suicide, he was arrested and charged with 2nd degree murder.

[MunchkinWrangler]

I've seen that a lot on many message boards.

Same as bullying. Now that we have the privacy of the net, a lot more bullying is going on, because the one doing the bullying doesn't have to be strong. They can hide. What they don't realise though, is that if there is sufficient reason, they can be traced. I read a news article last year about a teen who killed herself because of cyberbullying. The bully was a male in his 30's and was going through a proxy so he couldn't be traced. A week after the suicide, he was arrested and charged with 2nd degree murder.

I absolutely agree! People who feed off of making others feel bad about themselves should be held accountable for their actions. At the other end it is so important to have people also stick up for themselves and others as well as realizing that the things the person is saying they usually feel about themselves and it's a way of projecting some issues in their own life.

It's predatory in nature and shows that a person isn't very civilized or mature/lack of manners.

[Rockgirl]

An unregistered started it with me on this board a year or two ago. No clue why....I hadn't, and don't, post anything confrontational. I honestly think I was randomly selected. Lol. The admins on here did a great job of taking care of it, btw.

[Ariana]

They don't know who I am. They've banned me several times, but I keep coming back.

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[Unregistered]

I've seen that a lot on many message boards.

Same as bullying. Now that we have the privacy of the net, a lot more bullying is going on, because the one doing the bullying doesn't have to be strong. They can hide. What they don't realise though, is that if there is sufficient reason, they can be traced. I read a news article last year about a teen who killed herself because of cyberbullying. The bully was a male in his 30's and was going through a proxy so he couldn't be traced. A week after the suicide, he was arrested and charged with 2nd degree murder.

This is a two way street. Maybe I should call the cops for all the mean things that were said to me. Maybe I should call CPS for the way CalCare lets other children get bullied in her care and has admitted so. I've never threatened anyone or harassed anyone. Harassing doesn't mean having a different opinion. However, I've been called names and told my opinion isn't valid. As I said, it's a two way street. I can also report you guys and have your locations traced for the way I am being treated. If you don't want people posting in this manner, remove the unregistered option, I have no desire to register.

[MunchkinWrangler]

This is a two way street. Maybe I should call the cops for all the mean things that were said to me. Maybe I should call CPS for the way CalCare lets other children get bullied in her care and has admitted so. I've never threatened anyone or harassed anyone. Harassing doesn't mean having a different opinion. However, I've been called names and told my opinion isn't valid. As I said, it's a two way street. I can also report you guys and have your locations traced for the way I am being treated. If you don't want people posting in this manner, remove the unregistered option, I have no desire to register.

Why you gotta pick on Mike? He's a nice guy! :dislike::confused:

[MunchkinWrangler]

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[Michael]

This is a two way street. Maybe I should call the cops for all the mean things that were said to me. Maybe I should call CPS for the way CalCare lets other children get bullied in her care and has admitted so. I've never threatened anyone or harassed anyone. Harassing doesn't mean having a different opinion. However, I've been called names and told my opinion isn't valid. As I said, it's a two way street. I can also report you guys and have your locations traced for the way I am being treated. If you don't want people posting in this manner, remove the unregistered option, I have no desire to register.

You are an interesting bunny. You haven't crossed over any legal lines yet on this board and you can do this dance and waste a lot of time hoping the IP trail.

I allow unregistered on this forum for several reasons and it has more to do with people being able to post things in private. Some don't want to be included in "another" database and I don't blame them. You are taking advantage of a free service and im sure you have better things to do with your time.

[Mike]

You are an interesting bunny. You haven't crossed over any legal lines yet on this board and you can do this dance and waste a lot of time hoping the IP trail.

I allow unregistered on this forum for several reasons and it has more to do with people being able to post things in private. Some don't want to be included in "another" database and I don't blame them. You are taking advantage of a free service and im sure you have better things to do with your time.

About 10 years ago I had a visitor on one of my boards that kept going through new IPs to post and attack members, (not saying this one is attacking anyone), and no matter how often I blocked IPs and even ranges, I couldn't stop them. We all just totally ignored the posts, and after a couple weeks, they went elsewhere.