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  • Crystal
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 4002

    #31
    Also, if it is San Diego, can you provide a general idea of where? You can PM me if you'd like.

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    • Mom2Two
      Daycare.com Member
      • Jan 2015
      • 1855

      #32
      I realize that you might not see this as a good suggestion...but I know that in your situation, having been a veteran of IFSP, EI, and now EIPs, I personally would go back to having your own daycare, take the appointments that work for you, and wait for time slots that work for you for other services. Decline services (don't decline the assessments or goals if possible, just decline less appointments) that don't fit in your schedule. I don't mean to be rude, but what they offer is often not so truly helpful that it's worth upending your life for it.

      DD was in Sped pre-k for two years. I know that it was a great environment and all that. But I never knew what was going on. On the last day of her second year (when she had just turned five), I came in and met with her speech person, who explained more to me about how to work with her at home. Now, she has distance ed speech (we homeschool) and I work with her.

      I could go on and on about how to work with your LO at home. But also, when he turns three and can get into sped pre-k, if it's like here, they will come TO YOUR HOME and bus him to the location and back.

      I'm not even saying everything I want to say. It's just not worth upending your life for what they do. You CAN learn how to do most of what they do.

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      • Mom2Two
        Daycare.com Member
        • Jan 2015
        • 1855

        #33
        Here's a link to the facebook group called Special Needs Homeschool. These parents are a wealth of information. True veterans (the other kind, ).

        Note: If you would like to join, please click Join and answer the member questions. Members will not be approved if the questions are not answered. Thank you! This is a closed group for our members...

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        • Nisaryn
          New DCP
          • Jun 2015
          • 203

          #34
          Originally posted by Blackcat31
          I'm stuck on this (bolded) as you've said that more than once now...

          Did you know the trial period was two weeks? If so, WHY do you feel she should have tried longer or stuck it out longer? If she said her trial period was 2 weeks and you agreed, then that's exactly what happened.

          If you felt your child would need longer to adjust, that's something I would have discussed with her immediately upon addressing a trial period and again as the trial period had progressed as your child was not getting better or improving at all.

          Did she at any time make it sound like he was getting better?

          It sounds like based on the time line you posted...he showed signs of getting worse, not better.

          I understand that you, as a previous provider have a unique perspective but at the same time like any other parent...this is not the providers fault. She provided what she agreed to provide. A 2 week trial period. Your child did not adjust so she decided not to enroll. I see nothing wrong with that.

          I do, however feel badly for you and understand as a parent. (I am a child care provider because my own child never adjusted to any program.)

          I do hope you are able to figure out work/care solutions that work in the best interest of your family.
          Yes I knew she had a two week period, I agreed to that. So I understand your argument and agree with it too. But he didn't even actually attend a full two weeks I guess is why I'm a bit upset. He started on a Wednesday the first week because I had to get the military paperwork signed by notary etc. before he could start. So he technically was only there for 8 days. So I hoped she would give us those two extra days to see if he adjusted a little better but that next week (giving him almost what seems like 3 weeks then). She had said that she worked with kids with difficulties before and that she had gone past the two weeks trial period before and we could discuss it once the time care sooooooo I had hoped she would but obviously she chose not. But its OK, I've gotten over my initial upset. It just wasn't a good fit!

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          • Nisaryn
            New DCP
            • Jun 2015
            • 203

            #35
            Originally posted by Mom2Two
            I realize that you might not see this as a good suggestion...but I know that in your situation, having been a veteran of IFSP, EI, and now EIPs, I personally would go back to having your own daycare, take the appointments that work for you, and wait for time slots that work for you for other services. Decline services (don't decline the assessments or goals if possible, just decline less appointments) that don't fit in your schedule. I don't mean to be rude, but what they offer is often not so truly helpful that it's worth upending your life for it.

            DD was in Sped pre-k for two years. I know that it was a great environment and all that. But I never knew what was going on. On the last day of her second year (when she had just turned five), I came in and met with her speech person, who explained more to me about how to work with her at home. Now, she has distance ed speech (we homeschool) and I work with her.

            I could go on and on about how to work with your LO at home. But also, when he turns three and can get into sped pre-k, if it's like here, they will come TO YOUR HOME and bus him to the location and back.

            I'm not even saying everything I want to say. It's just not worth upending your life for what they do. You CAN learn how to do most of what they do.
            Actually no thank you so much, and for the FB link as well! Since we are so new to this, and with hubby deployed I'm dealing with it all on my own, I simply have NO IDEA what to do or where to go or anything. I'm actually just relieved that I wasn't crazy, seeing things, or being overly observant etc. For a while there I tried to ignore all the warning signs and kept telling myself...he's still little, he just needs time. I have decided to continue daycare though. I am going to offer more drop in care options and part-time care till I can get into the swing of things though.

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            • Nisaryn
              New DCP
              • Jun 2015
              • 203

              #36
              Originally posted by Crystal
              Nisaryn,

              Are you in San Diego or San Diego County? If it is the county, can you tell me what city? I may be able to locate a full-day California State Preschool Program in your area for you. Of course, you would have to see if you qualify based on income and family size (you might be surprised how much you can earn and still qualify). I am actually in San Diego right now as I conducted training for new state preschool programs and visited sites this week for reviews, and have visited some amazing sites! Might be one close to you
              I sent you a PM we are in San Diego city area, but he isn't old enough for preschool. He just turned 18 months old so he is still a little guy.

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              • spedmommy4
                Daycare.com Member
                • Mar 2015
                • 935

                #37
                Originally posted by Nisaryn
                Yes we are currently utilizing our local options but since we are military and live in military housing we have to get special approvals for in-home visits etc. they have to make sure any providers are approved for at least part of the Tricare insurance and have access to base facilities etc. the approval process can take a very long time and it is not um-common to be denied the in-home visits unless you have significant needs. We are going to look into it though.
                They told you this applies to early intervention? If so, that's completely bizarre for three reasons.

                1.). Once determined eligible, you're child has a right to those federally funded services.

                2.) Early intervention is supposed to be conducted in the child's natural enrivonment, unless there is a very good reason not to. Natural environment for under three is almost always defined as home for under 3. (Idea: 303.126) That's federal law.

                3.) Early intervention teachers or "specialists," a typical member of the team, could never be part of the tri care. They aren't health care professionals. SLPs, OTs, and PTs could be, but they probably wouldn't if they are working for a private agency. (This is just based on my experience working for a few private agencies in central CA)

                My understanding is that military only provides their own early intervention staff overseas. It makes no sense to me that they would make it difficult for their members to access much needed services and knowingly violate federal law by not allowing the services to take place in the home. For many of these little ones, services just aren't as effective outside the home. I hope you can work it out with them.

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                • Nisaryn
                  New DCP
                  • Jun 2015
                  • 203

                  #38
                  Update

                  Wanted to update you all, my son has now been through TWO daycare providers...he just won't adjust. Lots of trembling, crying, shaking. Won't eat, won't sleep. I had an interview for another, larger, daycare provider but she got wind of our situation when she asked about our previous providers and a few days later told me flat-out that she didn't think she could handle it either so we never even made it to the interview. So I have basically given up on that idea for now.

                  As for my daycare, I am doing part-time and drop-in only care so I can continue to make a little income. I am unable to open full time because all his appointments are now on Mondays and on Tuesday evenings at odd times. My husband is weird about hiring people to be in our home without one of us present. He simply will not have it, it's just part of how he grew up and being military minded so getting an assistant is out of the question.

                  We have not been able to get in-home services as they do not feel he qualifies for in-home only because they have limited resources and his case isn't serious enough to need it. Right now his major issue is a Speech Delay and the only reason he is getting services is because of this since Sensory Processing Disorder on its own does NOT count as a disability and they have since cleared him of any and all Autism (they originally suspected he was on the Spectrum).

                  Right now I am in the process of getting him enrolled in the military EFMP program as I only just got a paper copy of the IFSP, that in itself took more than the allotted 45 days to get to me...so that irks me. I only just starting filling out the paperwork but my sons Pediatrician, while in our network, is NOT a military provider himself and I'm pretty sure we are his ONLY military family. When I showed him the EFMP paperwork he had no idea what to fill out or how to do it so I'm back to square one on that and am looking for a military Pedi. Because of his chronic constipation we are also seeing a GE Doc. next week as he was prescribed Miralax to help out until then.

                  On the plus side, going to the OT has greatly improved his eating habits. He has started to allow some fruits into his diet...peaches, apples, and even ate some broccoli. He has decided that Teriyaki chicken is amazing and has had it 3 times this month (a miracle for us since he will usually only eat something new 1x a month or less). We are working on getting him to try pears and eat broccoli again. He ate some lasagna last week, onions and all which was another small miracle. He still enjoys his pasta/breads but I'm happy to see him starting to add to his diet.

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                  • spedmommy4
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 935

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Nisaryn
                    Wanted to update you all, my son has now been through TWO daycare providers...he just won't adjust. Lots of trembling, crying, shaking. Won't eat, won't sleep. I had an interview for another, larger, daycare provider but she got wind of our situation when she asked about our previous providers and a few days later told me flat-out that she didn't think she could handle it either so we never even made it to the interview. So I have basically given up on that idea for now.

                    As for my daycare, I am doing part-time and drop-in only care so I can continue to make a little income. I am unable to open full time because all his appointments are now on Mondays and on Tuesday evenings at odd times. My husband is weird about hiring people to be in our home without one of us present. He simply will not have it, it's just part of how he grew up and being military minded so getting an assistant is out of the question.

                    We have not been able to get in-home services as they do not feel he qualifies for in-home only because they have limited resources and his case isn't serious enough to need it. Right now his major issue is a Speech Delay and the only reason he is getting services is because of this since Sensory Processing Disorder on its own does NOT count as a disability and they have since cleared him of any and all Autism (they originally suspected he was on the Spectrum).

                    Right now I am in the process of getting him enrolled in the military EFMP program as I only just got a paper copy of the IFSP, that in itself took more than the allotted 45 days to get to me...so that irks me. I only just starting filling out the paperwork but my sons Pediatrician, while in our network, is NOT a military provider himself and I'm pretty sure we are his ONLY military family. When I showed him the EFMP paperwork he had no idea what to fill out or how to do it so I'm back to square one on that and am looking for a military Pedi. Because of his chronic constipation we are also seeing a GE Doc. next week as he was prescribed Miralax to help out until then.

                    On the plus side, going to the OT has greatly improved his eating habits. He has started to allow some fruits into his diet...peaches, apples, and even ate some broccoli. He has decided that Teriyaki chicken is amazing and has had it 3 times this month (a miracle for us since he will usually only eat something new 1x a month or less). We are working on getting him to try pears and eat broccoli again. He ate some lasagna last week, onions and all which was another small miracle. He still enjoys his pasta/breads but I'm happy to see him starting to add to his diet.
                    The military EDIS are subject to the same federal rules that I would be working for a school district. Your child has identified needs and the right, by law, to have services in his natural environment. (Home) And they have missed the 45 day deadline?

                    In your shoes, I would ask the grievance procedures for EDIS. Tell them they can authorize the home services that you have through EI or pay for their own. The hoops they are asking you to jump through are rediculous.

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                    • NeedaVaca
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 2276

                      #40
                      I agree with the PP, I have worked in early intervention and have never heard of a family being denied home visits! If he qualifies for an IFSP he has a right to visits in his natural environment. I would fight this. Do your research, use buzz words to catch their attention and do it via email so you have a paper trail. Missing deadlines is a big no no, enough to get a person fired where I used to work!

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