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  • laundrymom
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 4177

    #76
    Originally posted by nannyde
    We would know if it was the same provider if she offered to give us their words in the citation. The key phrases she uses are identical BUT the details are WAY WAY more specific in the citation I am reading.

    I could copy and paste BUT I am trying to give the OP a chance to do so herself.
    Now I'm even more curious. PM?

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    • nanglgrl
      Daycare.com Member
      • Jul 2012
      • 1700

      #77
      I think I found the one everyone is referring to except this child was injured a lot more than a couple of bruises and the citation states something to the effect that the provider heard the child crying but since it wasn't a distress cry she didn't check on the child. This report also says 1.5 hours and going to the second floor, maybe it wasn't the same provider but it's sure pretty coincidental.

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      • laundrymom
        Advanced Daycare.com Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 4177

        #78
        I hope OP responds. I sure hope she knows we are only trying to help.

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        • Cat Herder
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 13744

          #79
          Originally posted by nannyde

          I am trying to give the OP a chance to do so herself.
          Sorry.

          Backing out.
          - Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.

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          • nannyde
            All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
            • Mar 2010
            • 7320

            #80
            Originally posted by daycare57
            You must live in Texas? But the rule is vague on #2, and my reply to that is the fact that the child was new to day care at 1 year old. Old enough to realize she is in a totally different situation which she doesn't understand, without Mommy. Her mother had told me to do as I saw best, and my reply was that I always want children in that situation to have a little extra TLC. I want that child to fall in love with me and feel comfortable. If she saw me walk away, she would scream and disturb the other kids. Same thing at drop off and at pick up, nap time, meal time. She took alot of love and caring, but was improving. So, if she fell asleep in the rocker I left her there, knowing she was safe and happy.
            Layout of home, open to living room where she was, via a balcony, and we live in a safe area. So where is the violation of supervision? There isn't one. The child cried, I didn't go to her immediately, she stopped in a few minutes and I assumed she was sleeping again, which she was since she had reached for her pacifier and was again content. She had 2 bruises which showed up hours later. She was not in an unsafe situation, it was an accident. I am sorry I didn't check on her when she cried for those few minutes but I wasn't being mean or intentionally not going to her for any reason other than she usually cried, and loudly.
            How do you know she was reaching for a pacifier when she tipped over if you weren't in the room?
            http://www.amazon.com/Daycare-Whispe...=doing+daycare

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            • laundrymom
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 4177

              #81
              Originally posted by Cat Herder
              Sorry.

              Backing out.
              Lol. Me too. I've actually lost sleep because of this. Worried about the use of this chair. Ugh. Hiding for a while.

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              • Blackcat31
                • Oct 2010
                • 36124

                #82
                Originally posted by daycare57
                She was 1, new to child care, had only ever been with her mom & grandma. She couldn't/wouldn't settle down and go to sleep when I put her in a playpen, so when she fell asleep in the rocker I let her stay in it, and had done so previously for that reason. Had I moved her to her bed after she went to sleep, she would have woken up and started crying all over again, been there, tried that, didn't work for any of us!
                Supervision is basically based on age of child, your experience with child, layout of home, physical proximity & visual and/or auditory awareness.
                She was 1, new to the world of children & me, including my home, which is all an open floor plan, I was 15 feet from the balcony that overlooked her in the living room, which means I was clearly in range to hear her. Inspectors have always told me that as long as no door is closed between me & the child, it was fine. I don't live in a large home, about 2100 sq feet on 2 floors. I am not allowed to care for children on the 2nd floor, but nowhere does it say I am not allowed to go there.
                Originally posted by nanglgrl
                I think I found the one everyone is referring to except this child was injured a lot more than a couple of bruises and the citation states something to the effect that the provider heard the child crying but since it wasn't a distress cry she didn't check on the child. This report also says 1.5 hours and going to the second floor, maybe it wasn't the same provider but it's sure pretty coincidental.
                Wondering how a provider would know a child's cry if they were new to care?

                I have a little guy that I am still getting to know and he is here daily M-F and has been since early Spring.

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                • nannyde
                  All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 7320

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Cat Herder
                  Sorry.

                  Backing out.
                  No worries Cat. I was just imploring the OP to clarify the citation. Texas is one of the State's I'm quite familiar with. Their searchable database is easily searched and the phrases she used in the first post are only found in one citation. That citation has an identical story but it is way way more specific.
                  http://www.amazon.com/Daycare-Whispe...=doing+daycare

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                  • Rockgirl
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • May 2013
                    • 2204

                    #84
                    Was this self-reported by the provider? I haven't searched for it yet.

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                    • nannyde
                      All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 7320

                      #85
                      Originally posted by RockgirI
                      Was this self-reported by the provider? I haven't searched for it yet.
                      Possibly. The incident occurred the day before the investigation on the citation I found.
                      http://www.amazon.com/Daycare-Whispe...=doing+daycare

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                      • Cat Herder
                        Advanced Daycare.com Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 13744

                        #86
                        Originally posted by nannyde
                        No worries Cat. I was just imploring the OP to clarify the citation. Texas is one of the State's I'm quite familiar with. Their searchable database is easily searched and the phrases she used in the first post are only found in one citation. That citation has an identical story but it is way way more specific.
                        I did the same search. I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt. I remember how horribly worded some of those things can be.

                        Back in the day I had one that said "toxic chemical in reach of children". I was mortified, convinced I'd lose all my clients because of the terror mongering language of the citation.

                        Truth: I answered the door with a wet baby in my arms, fresh out of the tub after a "blowout". Water still draining. On the ledge of the tub was still the bottles of Johnson's head to toe and baby oil. I had no potty trainers enrolled at the time, infants only.

                        Baby oil is considered a toxic chemical. I did not know that until I saw the citation. :confused: Drama citations happen.
                        - Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.

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                        • Heidi
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 7121

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Cat Herder
                          I did the same search. I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt. I remember how horribly worded some of those things can be.

                          Back in the day I had one that said "toxic chemical in reach of children". I was mortified, convinced I'd lose all my clients because of the terror mongering language of the citation.

                          Truth: I answered the door with a wet baby in my arms, fresh out of the tub after a "blowout". Water still draining. On the ledge of the tub was still the bottles of Johnson's head to toe and baby oil. I had no potty trainers enrolled at the time, infants only.

                          Baby oil is considered a toxic chemical. I did not know that until I saw the citation. :confused: Drama citations happen.
                          My sis' first citation (she's had 2 in 22 years), was "failure to report the death or injury of a child"

                          Kiddo boinked head playing, sis kept an eye on him, mom came shortly afterwards (it happened after nap). Told mom, said he was acting fine, but mom said "well, I'll just take him by the doc's on the way home and see what he thinks". Doc said "no problem..nothing to do..he's fine".

                          Because mom sought "medical advice", even though the medical advice was "nothing's wrong", she SHOULD have sent in an injury report (we only report injuries that required a doctor's advice, others are just logged).

                          My sister accidently "self reported" this when her licenser came by a few weeks later, and they cited her. Ok, whatever, but this was when parents still had to call licensing to check records, and they would NOT give details. Only the citation. So...failure to report the death or injury of a child!

                          Luckily for her, no one ever actually called to check her record, apparently.

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                          • Rockgirl
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • May 2013
                            • 2204

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Heidi
                            My sis' first citation (she's had 2 in 22 years), was "failure to report the death or injury of a child"

                            Kiddo boinked head playing, sis kept an eye on him, mom came shortly afterwards (it happened after nap). Told mom, said he was acting fine, but mom said "well, I'll just take him by the doc's on the way home and see what he thinks". Doc said "no problem..nothing to do..he's fine".

                            Because mom sought "medical advice", even though the medical advice was "nothing's wrong", she SHOULD have sent in an injury report (we only report injuries that required a doctor's advice, others are just logged).

                            My sister accidently "self reported" this when her licenser came by a few weeks later, and they cited her. Ok, whatever, but this was when parents still had to call licensing to check records, and they would NOT give details. Only the citation. So...failure to report the death or injury of a child!

                            Luckily for her, no one ever actually called to check her record, apparently.
                            Yikes. I'm thinking those should be separate.

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