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    #31
    What kind of rocker advertises as safe for a 1 year old child to sleep in? You must be talking about a rocker that's not a rocking chair and more of a bouncy seat? I've never heard of one made for a child so old. It's also rare for a company to say sonething is safe for sleep (except cribs) these days since its sets them up for liability if a child dies
    It is a Fisher Price, Infant to Toddler rocker: From their website: "It’s a reclining infant seat with a fold-out kickstand—great for feeding baby. Adjust the seat upright so baby's movements create rocking motion—with stimulating toys and music to enjoy. For naptime, you can remove the toy bar and switch on calming vibrations. And as your child grows, it becomes a toddler rocking chair!" from the FP website.
    I do know how accidents happen: when things are used incorrectly, such as not strapping a child properly in the apparatus, especially a 5 point system which can cause strangulation. I'm not sure how a child strapped in around her abdomen and legs correctly would be able to squirm out. I've never had that happen in my day care, and I've been registered since 1984 and am a mother of a 41 year old son. Carelessness is normally the reason for an accident.
    Was the toddlers wishes being considered? She was strapped in a chair which leads me to believe she didn't want to be in the chair voluntarily.
    She had already fallen asleep in the rocker, so I let her sleep, she was a year old and "voluntarily"? I didn't put her in there while she was screaming, kicking, saying she didn't want to go.
    I would think the rules are quite clear that a child is supposed to be placed in a crib, portable crib or on a mat for rest and that no other device is allowed for sleep.
    I am not sure how you are reading the rule to say that an infant must be in a crib at naptime.
    However, you were cited for supervision not use of equipment. I think the regulation about a child's right not to be constrained covers this but see how it might not be clear to some.
    "• The AAP recommends that the wishes of children, regardless of their ages, should always be respected with regard to physical contact and their comfort/discomfort with it. If a child indicates that he or she does not wish to be held or comforted, even “friendly contact” with a child should be avoided."
    Is this what you mean by right to not be constrained? That is not at all what this says, it says that if a child doesn't want to be held or talked to, leave them alone.
    You weren't able to intervene since you were on a different floor. You were only able to react to the problem not stop it from happening.
    I did hear her cry, just gave her a few minutes to resettle and thought she had when she stopped crying after a few minutes. My point is I could have been on the 1st floor closer to her and she still would have tipped, it was an unforseeable accident.
    sleep positioning devices
    This means items such as to keep a child in position in the crib, not an apparatus.
    I'm not trying to harp on you, just wanted to let you know why anything other than a crib, portable crib or mat isn't allowed for sleep in most states.
    And that's why I showed the Minimum Standards for Texas.

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    • Cat Herder
      Advanced Daycare.com Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 13744

      #32
      Originally posted by daycare57
      that's why I showed the Minimum Standards for Texas.
      Do you really want to be a minimum standards provider? (rhetorical only, think gym coach pep talk)

      Listen to what these daycare veterans are trying to tell you.

      Mats, cots or ASTM approved cribs only, please.

      You must be on the same floor with the children during operational hours. Most of us have this same rule. It is for the best. Really, really.
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      • Blackcat31
        • Oct 2010
        • 36124

        #33
        Originally posted by daycare57
        You must live in Texas? But the rule is vague on #2, and my reply to that is the fact that the child was new to day care at 1 year old. Old enough to realize she is in a totally different situation which she doesn't understand, without Mommy. Her mother had told me to do as I saw best, and my reply was that I always want children in that situation to have a little extra TLC. I want that child to fall in love with me and feel comfortable. If she saw me walk away, she would scream and disturb the other kids. Same thing at drop off and at pick up, nap time, meal time. She took alot of love and caring, but was improving. So, if she fell asleep in the rocker I left her there, knowing she was safe and happy.
        Layout of home, open to living room where she was, via a balcony, and we live in a safe area. So where is the violation of supervision? There isn't one. The child cried, I didn't go to her immediately, she stopped in a few minutes and I assumed she was sleeping again, which she was since she had reached for her pacifier and was again content. She had 2 bruises which showed up hours later. She was not in an unsafe situation, it was an accident. I am sorry I didn't check on her when she cried for those few minutes but I wasn't being mean or intentionally not going to her for any reason other than she usually cried, and loudly.
        Licensing rules trump what you feel is best
        You did not go to her.
        You assumed.
        She got hurt.
        You failed to properly supervise.

        End of story. NO MATTER what your intentions were.

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        • Unregistered

          #34
          You are darn lucky that child didn't die. You weren't supervising. You were not even within eye sight. What if the child slipped out of its rocker and instead of hitting its head it strangled on the straps. Not much to hear when someone is strangling to death. You need to wake up and get with the program. The children need to be within your eyesight, hearing, and reach at all times. With your thought of being within earshot ok .. I could hook up a monitor and listen to it on my cell phone while I am outside or down the street.
          You were wrong and lucky nothing more serious happened.

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            #35
            Originally posted by cat herder
            different child, different provider, same excuse, same scenario.

            I feel like we just did this yesterday. Only the thread was called "car seat death".
            wow, this is crazy!!!!!!

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            • nanglgrl
              Daycare.com Member
              • Jul 2012
              • 1700

              #36
              Originally posted by daycare57
              What kind of rocker advertises as safe for a 1 year old child to sleep in? You must be talking about a rocker that's not a rocking chair and more of a bouncy seat? I've never heard of one made for a child so old. It's also rare for a company to say sonething is safe for sleep (except cribs) these days since its sets them up for liability if a child dies
              It is a Fisher Price, Infant to Toddler rocker: From their website: "It’s a reclining infant seat with a fold-out kickstand—great for feeding baby. Adjust the seat upright so baby's movements create rocking motion—with stimulating toys and music to enjoy. For naptime, you can remove the toy bar and switch on calming vibrations. And as your child grows, it becomes a toddler rocking chair!" from the FP website.
              It says in the description that as the baby grows it becomes a toddler rocking chair. To me it's clear that means that the redlining seat can be used to soothe your baby to sleep as an infant but once it's switched to a toddler rocking chair it's not used for sleep it's used as a chair.
              I do know how accidents happen: when things are used incorrectly, such as not strapping a child properly in the apparatus, especially a 5 point system which can cause strangulation. I'm not sure how a child strapped in around her abdomen and legs correctly would be able to squirm out. I've never had that happen in my day care, and I've been registered since 1984 and am a mother of a 41 year old son. Carelessness is normally the reason for an accident.
              In my opinion this chair was used incorrectly. The squirming could cause it to tip and cause bruises like in your case or could cause entrapment and suffocation if it tips. You've never had it happen...yet..we all have things that haven't happened yet but it doesn't mean they can't happen. I've read numerous posts over the years about children able to squirm out of car seats, booster seats, high chairs etc. You know how it is, you've been doing this a long time, there's always that ONE child.
              You weren't able to intervene since you were on a different floor. You were only able to react to the problem not stop it from happening.
              I did hear her cry, just gave her a few minutes to resettle and thought she had when she stopped crying after a few minutes. My point is I could have been on the 1st floor closer to her and she still would have tipped, it was an unforseeable accident.
              I consider this to be a foreseeable accident, actually I would have seen the danger as much greater than a few bruises. I understand that didn't. I don't understand why you weren't able to see the possible danger but hope after reading all of these posts that you do.
              sleep positioning devices .


              My responses are in red. I agree with other posters who said if you feel you should fight it then do. Personally the only thing I'd fight is the usage of the word "refused", if that. If you fight this and win Texas Could decide to adjust their regulations so everything is spelled out word for word and offers no interpretation which I'm starting to see as an awesome thing. If you fight it and lose they might do the same. They may even go the direction other states have went in and not allow any use of bouncy seats, swings or other baby equipment and cite people if they are even found on the premises. I've always thought these regs were restrictive and unnecessary but am now able to see why they exist. When I read regulations that list appropriate sleeping equipment I don't then need the regulations to say what is considered inapproprite because I would consider anything not listed as appropriate to be inappropriate. I understand this isn't how everyone thinks though and sadly maybe more regulation is the direction we need to head.
              Last edited by Blackcat31; 09-15-2015, 12:08 PM.

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              • Guest

                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered
                You are darn lucky that child didn't die. You weren't supervising. You were not even within eye sight. What if the child slipped out of its rocker and instead of hitting its head it strangled on the straps. Not much to hear when someone is strangling to death. You need to wake up and get with the program. The children need to be within your eyesight, hearing, and reach at all times. With your thought of being within earshot ok .. I could hook up a monitor and listen to it on my cell phone while I am outside or down the street.
                You were wrong and lucky nothing more serious happened.
                i AM IN SHOCK THAT YOU ALL THINK A CHILD CAN DIE WHEN PROPERLY STRAPPED IN A SEAT, i DID NOT PUT A CHILD IN A CLOSET TO DIE!!!!
                I POSTED THE RULES FOR INFANTS AND YOU ALL WANT TO THINK DEATH...
                MOST OF YOU ARE WAY OFF BASE, TO THE OTHERS WHO HAVE NOT CUT ME DOWN, THANK YOU!!

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                • Cat Herder
                  Advanced Daycare.com Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 13744

                  #38
                  Originally posted by daycare57
                  wow, this is crazy!!!!!!
                  Explain how.
                  - Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.

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                  • laundrymom
                    Advanced Daycare.com Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 4177

                    #39
                    Originally posted by daycare57
                    wow, this is crazy!!!!!!
                    All of us here agree. So glad you do too.
                    Now, let's move past how lucky you were that the toddler sleeping in a rocking chair didn't die and figure out a way to get them to sleep daily on an approved safe sleep environment. :-)

                    Any suggestions, veteran providers?
                    I suggest placing her to sleep each time on her back. While still awake. Hand her her paci if needed and walk away.
                    Next?

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                    • Guest

                      #40
                      Originally posted by nanglgrl
                      What kind of rocker advertises as safe for a 1 year old child to sleep in? You must be talking about a rocker that's not a rocking chair and more of a bouncy seat? I've never heard of one made for a child so old. It's also rare for a company to say sonething is safe for sleep (except cribs) these days since its sets them up for liability if a child dies
                      It is a Fisher Price, Infant to Toddler rocker: From their website: "It’s a reclining infant seat with a fold-out kickstand—great for feeding baby. Adjust the seat upright so baby's movements create rocking motion—with stimulating toys and music to enjoy. For naptime, you can remove the toy bar and switch on calming vibrations. And as your child grows, it becomes a toddler rocking chair!" from the FP website.
                      It says in the description that as the baby grows it becomes a toddler rocking chair. To me it's clear that means that the redlining seat can be used to soothe your baby to sleep as an infant but once it's switched to a toddler rocking chair it's not used for sleep it's used as a chair.
                      I do know how accidents happen: when things are used incorrectly, such as not strapping a child properly in the apparatus, especially a 5 point system which can cause strangulation. I'm not sure how a child strapped in around her abdomen and legs correctly would be able to squirm out. I've never had that happen in my day care, and I've been registered since 1984 and am a mother of a 41 year old son. Carelessness is normally the reason for an accident.
                      In my opinion this chair was used incorrectly. The squirming could cause it to tip and cause bruises like in your case or could cause entrapment and suffocation if it tips. You've never had it happen...yet..we all have things that haven't happened yet but it doesn't mean they can't happen. I've read numerous posts over the years about children able to squirm out of car seats, booster seats, high chairs etc. You know how it is, you've been doing this a long time, there's always that ONE child.
                      You weren't able to intervene since you were on a different floor. You were only able to react to the problem not stop it from happening.
                      I did hear her cry, just gave her a few minutes to resettle and thought she had when she stopped crying after a few minutes. My point is I could have been on the 1st floor closer to her and she still would have tipped, it was an unforseeable accident.
                      I consider this to be a foreseeable accident, actually I would have seen the danger as much greater than a few bruises. I understand that didn't. I don't understand why you weren't able to see the possible danger but hope after reading all of these posts that you do.
                      sleep positioning devices

                      My responses are in red. I agree with other posters who said if you feel you should fight it then do. Personally the only thing I'd fight is the usage of the word "refused", if that. If you fight this and win Texas Could decide to adjust their regulations so everything is spelled out word for word and offers no interpretation which I'm starting to see as an awesome thing. If you fight it and lose they might do the same. They may even go the direction other states have went in and not allow any use of bouncy seats, swings or other baby equipment and cite people if they are even found on the premises. I've always thought these regs were restrictive and unnecessary but am now able to see why they exist. When I read regulations that list appropriate sleeping equipment I don't then need the regulations to say what is considered inapproprite because I would consider anything not listed as appropriate to be inappropriate. I understand this isn't how everyone thinks though and sadly maybe more regulation is the direction we need to head.
                      YES i AM SURE TEXAS WILL CHANGE THE LAW BECAUSE I CAUSED A CHILD TO SUFFER 2 BRUISES!! WHERE DO YOU ALL COME FROM THAT YOU ARE HOLIER THAN THOU???? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CRITICS BUT YOU ALL JUST BLASTED ME ABOUT THE CHAIR WHICH WAS NOT AN ISSUE. MY MISTAKE AFTER YOUR MEMBER LET A CHILD DIE. IT WASN'T ME!!!
                      Last edited by Blackcat31; 09-15-2015, 12:09 PM.

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                      • nanglgrl
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 1700

                        #41
                        These directions straight from the manufacturer of the chair explain part of what you did in clear detail. I'm just surprised they only cited you for improper supervision.
                        I don't think anyone on here is trying to be mean. We are trying to tell you that you made a mistake, you asked our opinion. We've all made mistakes. In this forum we try our best to use the advice of others not to make mistakes or to avoid making them in the future.
                        If you don't want to grow and learn from this experience we can't make you.
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                        • laundrymom
                          Advanced Daycare.com Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 4177

                          #42
                          Originally posted by daycare57

                          YES i AM SURE TEXAS WILL CHANGE THE LAW BECAUSE I CAUSED A CHILD TO SUFFER 2 BRUISES!! WHERE DO YOU ALL COME FROM THAT YOU ARE HOLIER THAN THOU???? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH CRITICS BUT YOU ALL JUST BLASTED ME ABOUT THE CHAIR WHICH WAS NOT AN ISSUE. MY MISTAKE AFTER YOUR MEMBER LET A CHILD DIE. IT WASN'T ME!!!
                          No Member Here Let A Child Die.
                          Calm down. Accept the advice you're being given.
                          Last edited by Blackcat31; 09-15-2015, 12:09 PM.

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                          • Unregistered

                            #43
                            I agree not comparable, but I would let it go at this point because doesn't sound like you'd win. I looked at those and still looks inappropriately small for a 1 yr old, and probably goes by weight. Why the child tipped over sounds like.

                            If you have to go to the bathroom etc. I would say the pnp is a much better choice. I've had things happen when I was right there, but you really want to not take any chances. So what if you have a violation, don't think it's the end of the world.

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                            • Guest

                              #44
                              Originally posted by unregistered
                              you are darn lucky that child didn't die. You weren't supervising. You were not even within eye sight. What if the child slipped out of its rocker and instead of hitting its head it strangled on the straps. Not much to hear when someone is strangling to death. You need to wake up and get with the program. The children need to be within your eyesight, hearing, and reach at all times. With your thought of being within earshot ok .. I could hook up a monitor and listen to it on my cell phone while i am outside or down the street.
                              You were wrong and lucky nothing more serious happened.
                              and what if......i must be in eyesight??? Within reach??? Are you crazy???

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                              • Guest

                                #45
                                Originally posted by nanglgrl
                                these directions straight from the manufacturer of the chair explain part of what you did in clear detail. I'm just surprised they only cited you for improper supervision.
                                I don't think anyone on here is trying to be mean. We are trying to tell you that you made a mistake, you asked our opinion. We've all made mistakes. In this forum we try our best to use the advice of others not to make mistakes or to avoid making them in the future.
                                If you don't want to grow and learn from this experience we can't make you.
                                don't want to grow & learn?????? Your advice has been nasty

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